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JThome
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September 16th, 2013 at 2:09:00 PM permalink
I'm quite a newbie because I just played about 50 hrs after knowing that there exists BS!
I'm always flat betting $10 and trying to play BS perfectly including the surrender.
My goal is always $100 up = 10 hands up.
The problem is even if I am 10 hands up after 30 minutes, I cannot leave because the playing time is too short.

One night, I played 8 hrs and lost $500.
It was always down immediately after the first hand.
There was a chance that I could leave the table with $150 down after 5 hrs by recovering from $300 down.
However, since my goal was $100 up, I kept playing and ended losing $350 more.
At that time, I thought I could easily win $150 back as I did just before.

The other night, I played 10 hrs and lost $100.
Initially, I thought this result was not encouraging.
However, I soon realized that I was lucky enough because it was just 1 hand down per hour!
Including the tip I gave, it was just 0.5 hand down per hour.

Now I'm realizing a realistic goal.
My goal is still $100 up and if it is, I'll leave the table immediately.
Now I think not losing is more important than winning much at least for me.

But in the case of loss, I'll adjust the goal accordingly.
If $100 down, I'll leave the table when $25 down.
If $200 down, I'll leave the table when $50-$100 down.
If $300 down, I'll leave the table when $200~$150 down.
My bankroll limit is $500.
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September 16th, 2013 at 2:29:25 PM permalink
I don't see a question here so let me say that this is not a winning strategy. It is unrealistic to expect to win while flat betting and not counting. As you put in more time at the tables you will lose close to the house edge. This assumes perfect basic strategy. Keep a record of your wins and losses, hours played, table conditions etc. It may be useful at some point. Best of luck to you.
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JThome
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September 16th, 2013 at 2:41:41 PM permalink
Yes, I know that I'll lose if I just play BS without counting.
But it's okay for me to lose "as expected as" the odds tells.
In order to do so, I need some discipline.

When I'm self-disciplined, I'll start to learn card counting.
Fortunately, blackjack tables of the casino nearest to my home, Red Rock, are not bad for card counting.
Double deck, 80% cut, mid-deck entry allowed.
This is favorable to card counting, right?
7craps
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September 16th, 2013 at 2:48:21 PM permalink
Quote: JThome

I'm quite a newbie because I just played about 50 hrs after knowing that there exists BS!
I'm always flat betting $10 and trying to play BS perfectly including the surrender.
My goal is always $100 up = 10 hands up.
The problem is even if I am 10 hands up after 30 minutes, I cannot leave because the playing time is too short.

My bankroll limit is $500.

Keep it simple as a BS player.
Expect to lose over time, the longer you keep playing, the LESS chance you will have of being a lifetime winner.

The probability of you winning $100 before losing $500 using BS
is about 80%.
That might sound good to start but if losing twice $500 and winning $100 8 times, on average,
is your idea of fun, have fun.

try to change your idea of playing to play for # of rounds played per session.
then you can use the Wizard's Risk of Ruin table here
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/12/
so you know what to expect over how many rounds you play per session.

IMO, forget about the quit after winning $100 in a session.
play for time (# of rounds) if that is what you have the most fun doing.

Have fun and Good Luck
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
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September 16th, 2013 at 2:51:16 PM permalink
Sure is a lot of information missing. Assuming you play perfect BS ( a big assumption ) How many hands do you play per hour?
What is the house edge of the game you play?

After 1,000 hours or so I think you will be down 1 and 1/2 times the house edge at a minimum.
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JThome
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September 16th, 2013 at 3:05:12 PM permalink
Thank you for the kind advice.

Okay. I want to make my thought/question simple.

What do you want to suggest as a way to most enjoy blackjack with BS?
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September 16th, 2013 at 3:21:06 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Sure is a lot of information missing. Assuming you play perfect BS ( a big assumption ) How many hands do you play per hour?
What is the house edge of the game you play?

After 1,000 hours or so I think you will be down 1 and 1/2 times the house edge at a minimum.

It is not that bad for every BS BJ player
say 100 rounds per hour and 1,000 total hours played.
100k hands played. sounds like a lot.

The chance of the OP being up 10 units after that many hands played is only about 1 in 12.3
ev (units): -500
sd (units): 364

So out of 10 million total BS BJ players, we should expect about
807,978 to show a 10 unit profit or higher after 100k hands played at BJ.
(added: about 1 in 20 or 500,000 would show a minimum profit of 100 units.
Nothing like BJ BS skill.)

I am almost (99.9987654321%) certain that of those 800K long session BS BJ winners, about
99.9987654321% of them will say they beat BJ because of their playing SKILL.
No other reason would come to their mind as luck has no part in their beliefs,
only end results.

The OP needs to decide why play BJ in the first place?
If playing BJ is fun, play until it is not fun.
That keeps it a personal preference, the best kind.

Most find gambling fun,
beats waiting in line at the grocery store when you
are not hungry or better than a kick in the groin.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
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September 16th, 2013 at 3:21:32 PM permalink
Quote: JThome

Thank you for the kind advice.

Okay. I want to make my thought/question simple.

What do you want to suggest as a way to most enjoy blackjack with BS?



If you hit your set win goal and didn't want to leave, I would gather that you already enjoy Blackjack.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 16th, 2013 at 3:53:35 PM permalink
(added: about 1 in 20 or 500,000 would show a minimum profit of 100 units.
Nothing like BJ BS skill.)

And most who think they profess that skill are sadly mistaken.
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
bahdbwoy
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September 16th, 2013 at 4:16:42 PM permalink
Am I missing something? The basic strategies for the various games are not difficult to remember?

Except for the T2 v 4 play this is basically the 4+ two card composition strategy and is pretty easy to remember?
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/4-decks/
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September 16th, 2013 at 4:56:05 PM permalink
Quote: JThome

Thank you for the kind advice.

Okay. I want to make my thought/question simple.

What do you want to suggest as a way to most enjoy blackjack with BS?



Play with other people at the table to reduce your hands per hour. Your bank roll will last longer and you can enjoy socializing with the other players and even the nice dealer.

Although it is not, many people think that blackjack is a team sport so you can play into that for now.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
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September 18th, 2013 at 1:34:15 PM permalink
I say keep it going. You seem to have a decent end game. I'm working on it and at least at home I no longer play until I lose the entire starting stacks. I played like that in the past. I would play until I was 50-100 ahead and then leave. I haven't play blackjack seriously with a proper 50:1 bankroll in a long time.

I suggest you keep memorizing BS and learn a good count. I can't honest offer any changes when I read about your success playing the way you do. I think it's what everyone is trying to find.
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