kitties666
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August 5th, 2013 at 10:42:24 PM permalink
Got a surprise g-note on the way. Virtually all tables @ mohegan are 6-deck/S17 w/ about 33% penetration, regardless of whether it's a $10 table, or a $5000 table (which i recently found actually does exist there). One of the few 6-deck/S17 games in the Newport Room @ Foxwoods allegedly has about 22% penetration. Assuming this info is legit, is there any real advantage to playing @ Foxwoods? Aside from Mohegan's NS10 rule & allowing you to double for less, it seems pretty much the same...also, what have the minimums in the Newport Room been like as of late? I like the $50's because they're the least expensive NMSE games (@ both houses).
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August 6th, 2013 at 1:04:15 AM permalink
Both casinos have a notch on the side of the shoe. Foxwoods dealers do not use it because they are told to cut one deck off their 6 and 8 deck shoes and they do for the most part. The Newport Room and the MGM high limit room both have $50 minimums except for the busiest of times. These games are watched very closely and are where the back offs occur.

The NMSE is one thing I don't like because I'm a wonger. Most floors won't let you add a hand or re enter the game after sitting out a few hands. Other than these two rooms, blackjack at Foxwoods is 8 deck H17. I don't know why anyone would want to but both casinos allow doubling for less. I don't think I've ever seen a casino that didn't.

Mohegan Sun allows unlimited re splitting of pairs while at Foxwoods it's three times for a total of four hands. Split aces gets you one card on each at both casinos.

Penetration can be somewhat dealer dependent but the norm at Mohegan Sun is a dismal 66%. This place still doesn't get it and hasn't gotten it since 1996. There are a few dealers who give better pen and anyone who plays regularly knows who they are and even when and where they'll be working. Not so for someone just stopping by. There are back offs at MS but not nearly as much as Foxwoods.

Speaking of good penetration have you been to Twin River in Rhode Island yet?
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August 6th, 2013 at 4:55:28 AM permalink
Thanks much for the very informative reply. I'm very surprised to hear that any backoffs occur @ Mohegan. I've had candid discussions with dealers there about counting. Their attitudes always seemed to be "bring it on!"...

I haven't been to Twin River but I'd definitely be curious to check it out...how is it? Not gonna lie, been to Mohegan like 5 times recently & only came out ahead once. Wasn't doing any real epic betting, but losing $200 at a clip is still losing...the crowds have been atrocious as well (both quantity & quality). My most recent venture for my birthday ended in very little gaming because Beyonce was in town & all the idiots were out in full effect & taking up lots of room at the tables.
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August 6th, 2013 at 5:42:56 AM permalink
Quote: kitties666

Thanks much for the very informative reply. I'm very surprised to hear that any backoffs occur @ Mohegan. I've had candid discussions with dealers there about counting. Their attitudes always seemed to be "bring it on!"...

I haven't been to Twin River but I'd definitely be curious to check it out...how is it? Not gonna lie, been to Mohegan like 5 times recently & only came out ahead once. Wasn't doing any real epic betting, but losing $200 at a clip is still losing...the crowds have been atrocious as well (both quantity & quality). My most recent venture for my birthday ended in very little gaming because Beyonce was in town & all the idiots were out in full effect & taking up lots of room at the tables.



There is no notch on those shiny red shoes at Twin River. The cutoff is one deck on all shoes and is often closer to a half deck. All but six of the 40 something tables are 8 deck S17. Those six deck games are high limit with the same rules. The only other rule difference from Connecticut is pair splitting. Aces are the same and all others, including 10s, can be split twice for a total of three hands.

I've seen and played $25 minimums in that high limit area during off hours. With only six tables with these good rules I could see the possibility of this pit becoming a counter trap and I was right. Despite that, I hit them hard for three weeks and was quite successful. I now have another back off story that I can share after sufficient time has gone by.
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August 6th, 2013 at 6:24:18 AM permalink
Last week I heard (unfortunately 3rd hand so this is like the Eva/Zsa-Zsa Gabor parlor game as regards the story related to me) that a "blackjack counter team" from Connecticut was escorted off the property. True?
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August 6th, 2013 at 8:00:15 AM permalink
There was a small ragtag team that threw caution to the wind and was barred from blackjack. I have not heard of anyone being trespassed .......yet.
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August 6th, 2013 at 9:18:01 AM permalink
That's more like it--the info I got was very sketchy and sounded exaggerated

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