When should I raise my bet for H17, 0.46% edge game?

Since I don't have CVCX or other software, and I know that every TC is equal to approximate 0.5% edge, at what TC does my edge exceed the house?

0.46% = Hit 17, DAS, RSA, and Late Surrender.

If I want a spread from 10 - 200, do you guys have any bet spread suggestion?
Should I raise my bet at TC+1 ?

I appreciate any answer, thanks!

Max bet out at TC+4. Are you wonging or playing all?

Thank you very much! Could you please explain why should I bet max @ TC+4?
I heard someone also bet like this , and it sounds reasonable.

I was planing to bet like this:
10 @ TC +0 or less,
25 @ TC +1
50 @ TC +2
two hands each 100 @ TC +3
two hands each 150 @ TC +4
two hands each 175 @ TC +5
two hands each 200 @ TC +6 or more.

Is 200 high enough to draw heat?
Our bankroll is 10 thousands, Could you please share a better bet spread suggestion?
We are going to soloing in the morning cause there are not a lot of people in Vegas, and wonging at night.
Is TC +1 high enough to raise the base bet? Or I should raise the base bet @ TC +2?

I assume I only have about 0.04% advantage at TC +1, about even. Should I raise my bet at TC +1 or just play one unit?

Quote: WangSanJose

I assume I only have about 0.04% advantage at TC +1, about even. Should I raise my bet at TC +1 or just play one unit?

WOW! almost 5 years between posts in the same thread, by the same poster.
Impressive.

Quote: WangSanJose

I assume I only have about 0.04% advantage at TC +1, about even. Should I raise my bet at TC +1 or just play one unit?

It is all about volatility and variance. If your bankroll is big enough relative to your bet size I would say yes. I do not raise on +1 because of larger bankroll swings. I usually double my bet at +2 unless playing single deck then I do it at +1.

Really no need to raise it until 1.5, 1.25 unless you just want to smooth your ramp out. The only awkward bet you make on a shoe game before late when it starts jumping is the first jump, IMO not a lot of reason to start exposing your ramp with no measurable advantage IMO.

I never thought about raising bet at 1.5 or 1.25 TC, cause CVCX doesn't show actions at half TC, only integer actions. I guess raising bet at TC 1.5 would be a good idea.

Dont listen to the people who replied to your post. For your rule set you have around a .35% edge at +1 give or take a few percentage points based on your count, indices used and penetration of the game. Even if you didnt have surrender and it was H17 and DAS you'd still have more than a .04% edge at +1, and actually more around .20% give or take once again a few percentage points based on the above I mentioned.

Also for the ones mentioning they wouldnt raise at +1 unless you have a bigger bankroll or for creating a smooth ramp or not exposing your spread or whatever nonsense they said, theyre wrong as well since the risk of ruin barely goes up and increasing at +1 also increases SCORE and lowers N-Zero so you get to the long run faster. No need to be paranoid about showing your spread as well.

Lastly each TC isnt worth approximately .5%. The first TC jump is worth over .75%, which is why you have an edge of around .35% at +1 on average.

Zk I’m not arguing with your last paragraph. Perhaps we just have different perceptions of “measureabke advantage”

for 10k roll you should set your max bet at $100, less if you want to play two hands.

Quote: ZenKinG

Dont listen to the people who replied to your post. For your rule set you have around a .35% edge at +1 give or take a few percentage points based on your count, indices used and penetration of the game. Even if you didnt have surrender and it was H17 and DAS you'd still have more than a .04% edge at +1, and actually more around .20% give or take once again a few percentage points based on the above I mentioned.

Also for the ones mentioning they wouldnt raise at +1 unless you have a bigger bankroll or for creating a smooth ramp or not exposing your spread or whatever nonsense they said, theyre wrong as well since the risk of ruin barely goes up and increasing at +1 also increases SCORE and lowers N-Zero so you get to the long run faster. No need to be paranoid about showing your spread as well.

Lastly each TC isnt worth approximately .5%. The first TC jump is worth over .75%, which is why you have an edge of around .35% at +1 on average.

ZK is quite accurate. While in generalities it's easy for us to assume each TC is worth ~.5% to the player, that's not how it really works out in most games. TC +1 is worth more, most of the time. I would say anyone serious about counting should get the good books that talk about this, show numbers, etc, and also get good blackjack software to see the numbers for themselves.