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April 7th, 2014 at 4:32:03 PM permalink
Quote: rhodyBob

Wonder what's going on with these info cards.

I was there Sunday night ~ 5:00 PM and there were no cards anywhere. The lady next to me, betting all greens, wanted an explanation, and again the language barrier got in the way. Elderly lady, Asian dealer. The floor came by to do the splaynin, and I asked where were those cards "I thought I saw around here the other day". Pit boss or someone more senior came by, said "oh yeah, I saw those back in the office" and off she went. Came back a few minutes later with a stack of cards. Gave one to me, which I gave to the lady, and pit person put the rest of the cards on top of the cabinet that sits in the middle of the pit. They were there when I left ~ 6:00.

If I were to hazard a guess, my bet would be that the worker bees aren't having any of the New Game KoolAid. Like everywhere else, please don't disturb my established working situation. Low-level management climbs in the gerbil wheel and starts walking. No disruption in the normal routine appreciated. The games that were being offered when they started working there are the status quo, with nothing new or different tolerated. With all the watchfulness and paranoia that we see with rating play, accounting for any chip higher than green, and who knows what else, who can blame them?

The cards are there, the cards are not. There. Not. Maybe the players have been asking for them all.

BTW, the tables were all $15 minimum all day Sunday.



That's a very depressing report/guess. I would've hoped the dealers would enjoy the break from same-ole' same-ole'.
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April 7th, 2014 at 4:40:47 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

That's a very depressing report/guess. I would've hoped the dealers would enjoy the break from same-ole' same-ole'.



Dealers can kill any game. I saw dealers Kill Digital 21 and Let it Ride Bonus at the Isle. Nobody likes to be thrown into a new game without training. And I do mean NOBODY. With Digital 21 management would not allow a dealer to have the reset key for malfunctions. Imagine how happy the players were to sit there will dealer had to try and get pit boss to get his ass over there.
So they told the players the game sucked and was always malfunctioning.
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April 7th, 2014 at 4:53:39 PM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly


How players signal for a free split or double-down bet is a work in progress.



Yes, this needs to be standardized, as the two places I have played, Casino Royale and Golden Gate, had different ways to do it.

Switch, are there instructions that go out with the game on how to "train" the players in this?
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April 7th, 2014 at 5:03:26 PM permalink
When I played at.. Binion's (I think?).. double was to put out pointer and middle finger next to each other in a straight line and tap the felt. Split was the normal pointer/middle finger separated into a V.
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April 7th, 2014 at 5:17:29 PM permalink
Quote: BigTip

Yes, this needs to be standardized, as the two places I have played, Casino Royale and Golden Gate, had different ways to do it.

Switch, are there instructions that go out with the game on how to "train" the players in this?



wudged's reply covers the way that I originally trained dealers to handle the free bets. The concern was that a free double is hard to signal as usually the player will place more chips down. The finger point can be construed as a 'hit' if the dealer does not get a confirmation.

Generally a verbal confirmation is enough but The Golden Gate has a very loud atmosphere so we devised a way that the player could show the free double by tapping his clenched fist next to his original wager (actually it was the DTG there that suggested it).

Most casinos are still going with the finger point along with verbal confirmation but there is at least 2 ways to request the free double so it's best to ask the dealer what communication is needed.
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April 7th, 2014 at 9:17:13 PM permalink
The fist for double was more fun.
I will say that the "tapping" of it got just a tad exuberant at times though! lol

But it was confusing, and led to an unneccesary discussion with the dealer, when changing casinos.
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April 7th, 2014 at 9:40:46 PM permalink
Yeah, I would go with fist tap too for a signal. Hopefully it catches on.
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April 8th, 2014 at 5:03:07 AM permalink
I still like the Free Bet signaling method I posted earlier in this thread: the usual single-digit or split-fingers. If no additional wager has been supplied that implies a Free Bet is desired. This way is it easier for the players to "train the dealer," as the dealer is forced to make sense of the conflict with standard play instead learning a new signal. In cases where a Free Bet is possible but the player needs training it offers the wonderful opportunity for the dealer to say, "The casino would be pleased to make a Free Bet for you on your second wager, at no risk or obligation to you!"

Edit: Added the player training statement.
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April 8th, 2014 at 9:35:52 AM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

I still like the Free Bet signaling method I posted earlier in this thread: the usual single-digit or split-fingers.


Single digit for a free double would be a disaster. It looks too much like a hit signal, and opens the door too wide for shot-takers. A three comes out, "No, no, I was hitting." An ace falls on the nine, "No, no, that was a free double."
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April 8th, 2014 at 9:57:29 AM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Single digit for a free double would be a disaster. It looks too much like a hit signal, and opens the door too wide for shot-takers. A three comes out, "No, no, I was hitting." An ace falls on the nine, "No, no, that was a free double."

When the pit is called to differentiate hand signal meaning I have always seen them make the call based on whether or not the finger touched the field: touch=hit. I have seen players whine back about intent, but the physical action has always won over mental telepathy. True, Free Bet would involve more "double" signals. For standard play I let my additional bet signal intent to double, except for a 5-pair. By the way, the fist-bump is insufficient for a 5-pair. I split mine facing a dealer's 5 hoping for additional free doubles, free splits or soft doubles. I say the door you refer to as wide open has always been open, it would just be seeing a lot more traffic.
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