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Besides, these are 4 decks, with better rules. and except for circus, monte carlo, and the gold strike, i havent the slightest idea where i can find one of these machines, i know for sure laughlin dont have them.
every casino that gets them ends up taking them out, because its so easy to beat by counting and especially if the comp rate is good also.
Quote: rdw4potusI would think they could even program a sliding stop-point according to the running count. Too high and you get the early shuffle.
They could, but I would be surprised if they actually did. I'd think they would more likely make the rules poorer to mitigate counting.
Quote: tringlomaneThey could, but I would be surprised if they actually did. I'd think they would more likely make the rules poorer to mitigate counting.
sure. But the rules are pretty good on these machines. That's why I assumed there was some other countermeasure in place.
On another note, does Aruze mean something in some language? Is it a surname?
Quote: Buzzard" But the rules are pretty good on these machines" I think NOT !
LOL! all things are relative. They're better than on the 6 deck Shufflemaster electronic blackjack games.
Quote: rdw4potus
On another note, does Aruze mean something in some language? Is it a surname?
According to Aruze engineers I've worked with, the name was just made up. They pronounced it ah-ROO-zay.
Quote: CrystalMathAccording to Aruze engineers I've worked with, the name was just made up. They pronounced it ah-ROO-zay.
Being from the Midwest, no way in hell I am pronouncing it that way by default.
Quote: CrystalMathAccording to Aruze engineers I've worked with, the name was just made up. They pronounced it ah-ROO-zay.
I forget which machine it is, but one speaks the name (thank you for playing ??? by...). It, too, says ah-ROO-zay.
essentially what im doing, flat betting 1 hand of $1 on negative decks, and then 1,2,3, spots of $5 each, $10 each, $15 each, depending on how positive the count is. thats why i like playing when the casino is deadQuote: IbeatyouracesStill not good pen. If you do know when the shuffle is, I'd only wong in.
How do you know that the on-screen shuffle animation corresponds to an actual shuffle?
I know there are state laws regarding the operation of video gaming devices using depictions of playing cards. However, do those laws say anything about virtual shoes and the electronic "shuffling" of those shoes? Can someone with knowledge of NV state law chime in?
Particularly when company literature indicates four separate shuffling points are programmed in and can be selected by the casino.Quote: sabreHow do you know that the on-screen shuffle animation corresponds to an actual shuffle?
Quote: CrystalMathAccording to Aruze engineers I've worked with, the name was just made up. They pronounced it ah-ROO-zay.
I like Aruze slots, especially when they guarantee 95% return (it was 97% in Reno) -- at max coins, based on industry standard of 10,000,000 pulls. Many of their video slots were "wongable" and very easy to reverse engineer, i.e. map out the game structure. By the way, it was interesting how they disclosed that they had (I think) 3 different returns programmed onto one chip ranging from about 90% to 95%. It was rare to see a slot manufacturer disclose the game return like Aruze at 95% or 97, plus they also disclosed the cycle time for the bonus round, i.e. how frequently it was supposed to hit.
Here's where the name comes from: http://www.aruzegaming.com/aboutus.html
Here was my most profitable Aruze game: http://www.aruzegaming.com/games/showgirl.html with "sticky wilds".
However, I generated the most W-2's with http://www.aruzegaming.com/games/lastemperor.html One trick was to bet the max on the last spin during "rescue feature" to generate 2 extra spins.
Quote: IbeatyouracesStill not good pen. If you do know when the shuffle is, I'd only wong in.
You are just like Buzzard with one-dimensional thinking with the standard approach to play BJ.
It's a "slot machine" meaning you need to think in terms of ADT. People like Grosjean would be all over these machines with the right environment -- you need to look "Beyond Counting". People have to think outside the box sometimes to make the big bucks.
If you don't know what "ADT" means in regards to slots, then ask Buzzard since he comes across like he knows everything. If the casino follows the 30/10 rule with respect to ADT, it's a good deal.
Quote: sabrePlaying every hand isn't "essentially" wonging.
How do you know that the on-screen shuffle animation corresponds to an actual shuffle?
sabre, did you ever add "depth charging" in your blackjack arsenal before? I think not.
If you know the shuffle point, someone who understands the theory of "depth charging" controls the pen if playing alone or with a team member(s). This is rudimentary BJ AP skills that every novice counter ought to know.
Btw, in games like these, you can have perfect play if you wanted too, but that is just theory and not generally used in practice. If you are bored and wanted to use a count with 100% betting correction -- done. You want 70% playing efficiency -- done. You want to practice a level-13 count -- done. You want to work on your side counts -- done. Jumping from min to max. And all this WITHOUT HEAT.
Food for thought.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI was too busy playing with a 20% egde all day and this evening on uth. Sorry but blackjack is last on my list of AP plays.
Ibeatyouraces, you just contradicted yourself based on your last two posts in this thread. Nice back-pedalling.
Quote: sevencard2003yeah im mainly interested in little remote out of the way casinos outside vegas up north (such as here in Jean) but im really surprised the venetian would offer these, must be new, ive certainly never seen them in there, maybe the minimum bet is higher? i wonder what they're comp and cashback rate is. maybe they removed the 3-2 payoff on BJ
Venetian was $2-$200 with same S17 sur das. No idea about whether it takes a card. The Monte Carlo one does not and I do not think MGM does either.
For the base-level Grazie member, video blackjack gets comped at 6% of the casino's theoretical win. So not even 0.1% comp payback based on coin-in.
http://www.venetian.com/Las-Vegas-Casino/Grazie-Loyalty/Points-Accruals/
Quote: FleaStiffParticularly when company literature indicates four separate shuffling points are programmed in and can be selected by the casino.
i would think this would make it MORE likely to be as it seems with a fair shuffle showing u when it happens. u see the 4 choices are probably every 52 cards (as one guy seen somewhere and mentioned elsewhere) 80 cards--as it has here. 50% penetration (104 cards) as someone else mentioned, and who knows what the 4th choice is. if the casino can set it up as they want, no need to cheat. this is implying those shuffles u see are the accurate shuffle points the casino selects.
Quote: rainmanSomeone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen any brand or form of video blackjack in WA. So the OP can cross WA of his list.
I usually don't bother looking at the machines in WA casinos and just head straight to the tables. But these machines are usually big and noticeable, and I agree that I haven't seen them.
Quote: tringlomaneI would highly doubt the Venetian comp rate is not even close to what it is in Jean though even if it does take the Grazie card.
For the base-level Grazie member, video blackjack gets comped at 6% of the casino's theoretical win. So not even 0.1% comp payback based on coin-in.
http://www.venetian.com/Las-Vegas-Casino/Grazie-Loyalty/Points-Accruals/
You need to keep in mind for these types of games, you have perfect insurance (it's easier with a confederate). I know with perfect insurance, that is worth about 15 basis points for single deck; it's probably less than 15 basis points for this game, but is nonetheless higher than the comp rate that you've stated.
Quote: Ardent1sabre, did you ever add "depth charging" in your blackjack arsenal before? I think not.
If you know the shuffle point, someone who understands the theory of "depth charging" controls the pen if playing alone or with a team member(s). This is rudimentary BJ AP skills that every novice counter ought to know.
Food for thought.
Why don't you go ahead and explain how to use depth charging to gain any significant edge improvement on a 4 deck game with 6 spots and 38% pen. Also, justify your statement at it effectively allows you to "control" the pen.
Quote: sabreWhy don't you go ahead and explain how to use depth charging to gain any significant edge improvement on a 4 deck game with 6 spots and 38% pen. Also, justify your statement at it effectively allows you to "control" the pen.
It's "theory" of depth charging -- if you are going to attack me, please quote me correctly.
With 6 station, with 2 cards per station per player plus 2 per dealer, you are looking at 14 cards before adjusting for aggressive splits.
You already have the conditions for perfect play, 100% betting correlation, 70% betting efficiency, 100% insurance correlation (easier with a confederate), and add theory depth charging, it adds to your E.V.
As I pointed out earlier, perfect insurance is worth about 15 basis points for single deck as a point of reference.
As I also pointed out, it's a slot machines so you can get comps, mailers, free play, a vehicle for promo hustling, etc.
As for "significicant," that IS SOMETHING YOU ADDED TO THE DISCUSSION, not I.
And if you can't figure it out, then that's life.
Quote: Ardent1You need to keep in mind for these types of games, you have perfect insurance (it's easier with a confederate). I know with perfect insurance, that is worth about 15 basis points for single deck; it's probably less than 15 basis points for this game, but is nonetheless higher than the comp rate that you've stated.
Yeah, I didn't consider insurance in that quick reply since I don't count BJ. Insurance wagers will definitely up the overall comp rate. Insurance wagers should be comped about 0.435% of the insurance wager amount based on 6% theoretical win. I'm not sure what the Venetian would consider its theoretical win for the base game, but I'd be surprised it was > 1%, which leads to a 0.06% comp rate based on your total wager outside of insurance bets.
Quote: tringlomaneYeah, I didn't consider insurance in that quick reply since I don't count BJ. Insurance wagers will definitely up the overall comp rate. Insurance wagers should be comped about 0.435% of the insurance wager amount based on 6% theoretical win. I'm not sure what the Venetian would consider its theoretical win for the base game, but I'd be surprised it was > 1%, which leads to a 0.06% comp rate based on your total wager outside of insurance bets.
They will not award different comps based on the type of wager. The accounting system only tracks the total amount wagered and the theoretical return, which includes the insurance wagers that you are supposed to make. Of course, on good paytables, insurance never enters into the equation because they don't account for counting.
Quote: sevencard2003why even bother with the machine in the venetian when u are getting a full 1% in comps here? anyone not needing rooms at the casino in Jean can still bus gas and cigarettes with the comps. and it has 5 spots not 6
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with it either. It was just adding more info to this thread. You're still better off playing this game in Jean.
Quote: tringlomaneYeah, I wouldn't bother with it either. It was just adding more info to this thread. You're still better off playing this game in Jean.
what makes the one in jean so great is the free room i can get for $1200 coin in, $3000 on saturdays and holiday weekends. (such as all 3 days over NYE). i would think all the little casinos out in the middle of nowhere would be more inclined to install one of these machines than the vegas ones since they dont have live BJ employees in the middle of the night. Thats why im surprised ive not heard of one in other remote locations such as Jean, so someday ill have another possibility of a place to go if Jean ever gets rid of their machine, and hopefully it will be in an area i can play poker also.
Quote: sabreIn other words, depth charging adds virtually nothing to the game described in the OP.
You are free to believe your own opinion. I am not responsible for what you DO NOT KNOW. I keep stating "theory" of depth charging and you CONSTANTLY omit this key word.
Other(s) have gained wisdom from my posts in this thread.
Cheers and happy holidays.
Quote: sabreTroll elsewhere Ardent
sabre;
1) You are being a hypocrite -- you demand someone provide proof, but you offer none.
2) You are being unctuous at best -- had you searched the Internet, the information I stated is already in the Public domain. This person with the handle mwmb on blackjackinfo.com already gave away the information to "control" the penetration of a multi-deck video BJ game.
If anyone is trolling, it's sabre.
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Everything the original poster said about the machine is true. The rules are multiple deck (4,6,8, X?), S17, LS, no RS anything. They give 0.1% cashback and a full 1% in comp dollars. You can use your comp dollars at the gift shop, restaurants/buffet, or for gas at the gas station. Of course, I took the gas. Room nights are $12/$15/$30 for S-Th/F/S in "comp dollar" redemption prices.
The machine is fine, but it is slow. Max bet is $100. It's almost impossible to play multiple machines at once. However, you can back bet on other players' hands so the optimal play would be to go in with some friends/confederates and just spread your action across everyone else's hand. There was one guy who had every machine locked up one time. (It might have been the OP?) NO ticket-in/ticket-out. Everything is hand pay.
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Rooms are some of the worst I've ever stayed in. Terrible stench throughout the hallways. Elevators creaky and old. No hot water in the showers. Old furniture, TV tubes, wonky HVAC. One night somebody pulled the fire alarm at 12:30am. Pretty nice hot tub.
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They also have full-pay Deuces Wild for quarters (coin-droppers).
im sure it WAS me who had all 5 locked up, no one else ever does that. i only do it because my roll is very low, and when i need to make a quite sizable bet for my small roll, say $40 for example, i much prefer 5 spots of $8 (to reduce variance) to one bet of $40 which is too high. also others take a long time to act, (doesnt help them much, they still decide wrong) so i get a faster game by playing alone. and i dont have to deal with others smoking etc. rules say 4 decks if u look, also the max bet isnt $100 but $500 if u look closely. no one ever does it though to avoid it locking up for jackpots, the recommended max bet is $149. i also understand when u back bet others hands it dont add to ur comps, only ur own bet on ur hand. wish u wouldve said hi, i wouldve liked to had seen at least one other guy who knows what hes doingQuote: teddysI played in Jean on this machine. First time I've ever been to the Gold Strike. Now I know why it took me so long to get there.
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Everything the original poster said about the machine is true. The rules are multiple deck (4,6,8, X?), S17, LS, no RS anything. They give 0.1% cashback and a full 1% in comp dollars. You can use your comp dollars at the gift shop, restaurants/buffet, or for gas at the gas station. Of course, I took the gas. Room nights are $12/$15/$30 for S-Th/F/S in "comp dollar" redemption prices.
The machine is fine, but it is slow. Max bet is $100. It's almost impossible to play multiple machines at once. However, you can back bet on other players' hands so the optimal play would be to go in with some friends/confederates and just spread your action across everyone else's hand. There was one guy who had every machine locked up one time. (It might have been the OP?) NO ticket-in/ticket-out. Everything is hand pay.
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Rooms are some of the worst I've ever stayed in. Terrible stench throughout the hallways. Elevators creaky and old. No hot water in the showers. Old furniture, TV tubes, wonky HVAC. One night somebody pulled the fire alarm at 12:30am. Pretty nice hot tub.
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They also have full-pay Deuces Wild for quarters (coin-droppers).
Good play for gas, can't see how you stand staying in that hotel for 2 months though. There is NOTHING there. Wireless Internet is $10/day, do you get that comped too?
if ur total bankroll was under $2000, and u had NO OTHER PLACE To STAY, u would see the value in me doing that promotion a lot more. i have no need for wireless internet i pay $80 monthly for verizon broadband and i use it everywhere, even outdoors. the whole reason i was in Jean was i couldnt afford a place to live in vegas.Quote: teddysThanks for the info. Yeah, it must have been you. You asked me if I wanted to play. I said no. You were also bitching to some of the casino staff in the hallway by the elevators at some point later on, no?
Good play for gas, can't see how you stand staying in that hotel for 2 months though. There is NOTHING there. Wireless Internet is $10/day, do you get that comped too?
