I was just up at my local casino and noticed that this one particular player hadn't been around.
Quote: BigJerSo I asked one of the other players I knew if he had seen him. He told me that one player had gotten banned for cheating. Well talk about dumb. The guy was trying to increase his bet after he won! Did he think he would actually not get caught??? Lol.
Past posting is a lot easier to catch than some might imagine. If all he got was banned I'd say he got off easy.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyPast posting is a lot easier to catch than some might imagine. If all he got was banned I'd say he got off easy.
Really?
I had no trouble doing it the last time I was in Vegas. I must have gotten away with it a couple dozen times in the three day period. In fact, at times, Switch was with me at his Free Bet game, helping me cheat.
Oh wait. That was at the SHFL booth at G2E.
When we were together at his game at Golden Nugget, he gave me the stink eye for even jokingly suggesting it.
LOL
Yeah, if all he got was banned, he was REALLY lucky.
Quote: DJTeddyBearReally?
It would depend on the dealer, one that didn't care, or a break-in might not notice but I have little trouble recalling what players tend to have been betting. If they're past posting even semi-frequently I'll catch it. Once you get a sense that someone might be doing it, it becomes very easy to remember what their bet is/was. As soon as I'm sure they've done it, I pull my cash plunger paddle so surveillance has an easy visual cue to look for, and inform my floor supervisor. I've nailed several cheaters just by being observant.
I know you were kidding around, and it is fun to see if you can get away with it in a training or demo environment, but IMO you'd have to be crazy to do it in a live casino.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyIt would depend on the dealer, one that didn't care, or a break-in might not notice but I have little trouble recalling what players tend to have been betting. If they're past posting even semi-frequently I'll catch it. Once you get a sense that someone might be doing it, it becomes very easy to remember what their bet is/was. As soon as I'm sure they've done it, I pull my cash plunger paddle so surveillance has an easy visual cue to look for, and inform my floor supervisor. I've nailed several cheaters just by being observant.
I know you were kidding around, and it is fun to see if you can get away with it in a training or demo environment, but IMO you'd have to be crazy to do it in a live casino.
BTW the "best" cheating scheme I had heard about in a casino is someone was using a radioactive marker on cards. He had a Geiger counter on him to tell when the card was there. That one's is pretty good.
Quote: BigJerBTW the "best" cheating scheme I had heard about in a casino is someone was using a radioactive marker on cards. He had a Geiger counter on him to tell when the card was there. That one's is pretty good.
Come on Jer! You don't really believe that! I have seen a Geiger counter used in real life, and they are very cumbersome, and not that accurate. Unless you are waving it directly over the cards, you will not get useful information.
Quote: SOOPOOCome on Jer! You don't really believe that! I have seen a Geiger counter used in real life, and they are very cumbersome, and not that accurate. Unless you are waving it directly over the cards, you will not get useful information.
Could be an urban legend. I can't remember where I read it but the site seemed OK. They do have small GC these days. Besides it didn't say how well it worked which is the important thing. I do know that one has to get close to the source to get any accurate measurement. I did have three years of Physics in college. BTW, since the radioactive marker would smear onto other cards the idea doesn't seem like a good one. I think the best method without cheating is straight card counting.
No, there are many other "softer" targets out there to go after.
Find a business that does a large volume of cash transactions, maybe a busy mini-mart or fast food place, and rob the individual who makes the night deposit: catch him/her coming out with the deposit bag in hand.
Still a felony, but oh so easy ...
Quote: MrVI don't understand why people attempt to cheat or rob casinos, given the level of awareness and surveillance the casinos employ to counter this.
Whatcha talkin' about, the Bellagio will let your run out of the casino with hundreds of high value chips. Just scoop em up. ...eh, well.
That reminds me, someone robbed a gold museum in California awhile back.
Quote:California investigators searched Monday for thieves who made off with an estimated $2 million in precious gems and gold from a mining museum in the Sierra Nevada foothills during a brazen daytime robbery.
But they didn't get away with the biggest prize of all – the nearly 14-pound Fricot Nugget, a giant crystalline gold mass unearthed in the Gold Rush era.
During their attempt to grab the massive nugget, the robbers triggered an alarm that alerted authorities who swarmed the museum but were unable to nab the thieves.
At least two robbers wearing hoods and armed with pickaxes threatened workers during the heist Friday at the California Mining and Minerals Museum in Mariposa, the California Highway Patrol said.
No suspects have been identified.
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Quote: rxwineWhatcha talkin' about, the Bellagio will let your run out of the casino with hundreds of high value chips. Just scoop em up. ...eh, well.
Loved how they used video off the RTC buses to actually follow some of the accomplices home to their apartment complex, LOL.
Quote: BigJerBTW the "best" cheating scheme I had heard about in a casino is someone was using a radioactive marker on cards. He had a Geiger counter on him to tell when the card was there. That one's is pretty good.
That sounds a little urban legendy to me, but in (I believe) Richard Marcus' book American Roulette he describes a similar technique using ultraviolet dye, IIRC. If you're interested in casino cheating it's an interesting book, though he's a bit long winded for my taste.
Marking cards while in play and then viewing their backs is often done by daubing make up and using contact lenses although cards with edge differentiation often don't have to be marked, just oriented. I think this is why fewer casinos offer games where the players touch the cards.
Background noise from a geiger counter would mask any weak signal from a nearby card.
Capping of bets is common but easily detected. Its often done in ignorance though.
Shot taking is pretty much easily detected too. Most common at the five dollar tables. Usually the same players over and over.
Card switching takes skill to master but is often tipped off by people sitting very close together, particularly males.
Quote: MrVI don't understand why people attempt to cheat or rob casinos, given the level of awareness and surveillance the casinos employ to counter this.
No, there are many other "softer" targets out there to go after.
That's an interesting point, - and it has to do with 'getting your action or juice" from something different.
For some people - too many, actually, - the excitement or the juice is NOT in the result of the cards or dice in the game, but in seeing what limits aside from gambling can be pushed, and how far.
Certain players are, - to use a very good and apt description, a bit "clepto." What I mean by this is that they actually feel and get their exhileration by "getting away with some stunt" that is NOT related to the basic gambling game at hand. We have had:
1. A false high roller do ridiculous stuff, like stack a $200 bet not as two black chips or eight quarters, but as a bet in a stack 40 nickels tall - as a come bet, just to mess with other players and dealers, to deliberately piss off people to disrupt a live money game for sh]ts and giggles. The shooter would hit the chips and seven out, to his cheers and glee. We'd tell him that that crap is O-U-T out, and he'd protest, where the supervisors would have to temporarily ban him, only to see him come back and act like a perfect gentleman "to erase some demerits" for a little while, only to repeat the process over and over again. Enough is enough.
2. There are people who'd cap and pinch bets just to get a thrill by getting away with it, only to be busted, sometimes with a misdemeanor arrest.
3. Along with other acts of shot-taking and trying to run the game on dealers and floor supervisors. It gets really childish, and just ruins a night for so many legit players. People DO have a false or corrupted sense of protocol, or what is right to do and what is NOT right to do according to decorum and house rules of play, and feel it is some sort of god-given right to pull stunts and whine about "injustice and what is technically legal" while pulling assinine stunts. What dealers and cocktail waitresses go through sometimes would defy belief - until pointed out in an office while detained by security, or in a police station - and it does often come to that.
When people want to steal for real, they try extremely hard to be invisible, but a lot of the stuff is along the lines of "let me see what I can get away with, for some laughs and giggles," only to end up scolded to varying degrees.
We have incidents much worse.
Dealers are not very sharp in that game.
