overheard saying dealers make commission
Quote: jjjooogggAnother player said that a dealer said that they make commission. Is that possible?
The way you word your questions really brings out an urge in me to answer sarcastically. so, I'll get that out of the way first:
Is it possible that another player said this to you? Sure, unless you think you might have be dreaming or hallucinating when you were told this.
As to dealers making a commission: On what, how much you lose at the table? No, but that would be nice. How could they figure that out?
What you probably heard is someone talking about the vig on a game like Paigow or Baccarat. And believe me, the dealer doesn't put that money directly into his/her pocket.
If this doesn't answer your question, consider rephrasing to make it less ambiguous. As it is it requires a degree of interpretation that makes it come down to a guess as to what you're really asking.
Well he could be from the south but that doesn`t necessarily mean English is his first language.Quote: buzzpaffMy guess is that he is from the South. And I do not mean South America.
I don`t know, but I speak 3 languages and havn`t mastered any of them.Quote: buzzpaffYou think he has mastered 2 languages ?
My guess is that everyone else is typing on a keyboard. I use my cell phone and tablet.
Quote: HunterhillI`m not sure MonkeyMonkey, but based on jjjoooggg`s previous posts,I would guess that English is not his first language.
Nobody in USA speak English. We all speak American. The people in the south near Texas speak Spanish. The people in DC speak BS. People in the North speak Canadian.
Quote: HunterhillI`m not sure MonkeyMonkey, but based on jjjoooggg`s previous posts,I would guess that English is not his first language.
I didn't get that impression, and now we know the story because he's explained it, the button it pushes in me is from a tech support job I had one summer, people would state their problem in a completely ambiguous way almost as if they didn't really want help.
I'm not sure what diff it makes if one is using a cell phone or a keyboard when it comes to stating their inquiry with clarity, but it's making that sarcastic urge rise again so I'll just shut up and hope I guessed the the question correctly and provided a satisfactory answer.
Quote: jjjooogggIve seen dealers make really aweful mistakes that always benefit casino. I almost got cashed out 100 less twice etc.
Um... ok. But why did you edit your post from explaining that your cell phone sucks to making this statement instead?
Quote: jjjooogggAnother player said that a dealer said that they make commission. Is that possible?
No. We make minimum wage plus some crappy tips. That's it.
Quote: jjjooogggWanted people to notice the new post.
The post doesn't get bumped when you edit it.
Why not start a new thread to rip on dealers, we really can't have too many of them.
Quote: PaigowdanNo. We make minimum wage plus some crappy tips. That's it.
Speak for yourself, Dan. We make less than $5/hr plus crappy tips. We only make minimum wage if the crappy tips don't take us to at least minimum wage.
The post is relevant to the idea that there is an incentive for yall to help the casino bring in money. The mistakes yall make like short changing etc seems intentional. I was a fastfood cashier for 5 years. These mistakes would get yall fired.
If you want Ill post all the mistakes That Ive seen in 100 hours of play. I think you are making this more personal than I intended.
Why is it that craps teams don't like players to count their chips and then color out? Its always a chorus of We'll do that for you.
I've watched dealers and Box men do the counting but only rarely notices any "taxation" taking place.
Quote: jjjooogggMonkey.
The post is relevant to the idea that there is an incentive for yall to help the casino bring in money. The mistakes yall make like short changing etc seems intentional. I was a fastfood cashier for 5 years. These mistakes would get yall fired.
If you want Ill post all the mistakes That Ive seen in 100 hours of play. I think you are making this more personal than I intended.
No need. We know all about that. And that helps the good dealers rise up...
And we can post about all the knuckle-headed things players do when they're drunk, sweating the money, 86-ed, etc.
Things players say, things dealers say...
Also, I guess I work at a pretty decent casino, because tips are generally pretty good. Yes, our base pay is LESS than min. wage, but with the tips it's about the best work you can get in the area. Can't get much better considering almost no training and any ass off the street can deal where I deal.
Just had some player call me a mo fo for joining table. I asked if I could join before the shuffle and someone was there before him. So I ended up leaving. I know that he isnt a counter. Dont want to explain why.
It is a waste of time for you to break the chips down yourself, because it doesn't prove anything to surveillance. Someone with a gaming license has to "prove" the chips in the stack.Quote: FleaStiffWhy is it that craps teams don't like players to count their chips and then color out? Its always a chorus of We'll do that for you.
Quote: jjjooogggThe irony is that I tipped the guy $25 who short changed me. I have a reputation for giving the benefit if doubt
Just had some player call me a mo fo for joining table. I asked if I could join before the shuffle and someone was there before him. So I ended up leaving. I know that he isnt a counter. Dont want to explain why.
Do not conclude that some innocent mistake was any act of larceny against you, it was probably just simple tiredness that cause that mistake. If he made that mistake the other way, he would not have noticed it either, and if the player had, he would remain quiet and leave with it consistently.
Believe me, Casino dealers do hope and pray many players win, as because:
1. Winning happy players are appreciative and tipping players, and more so:
2. There is generally very little love lost between the hard-working (and tired) dealer, and the floormen who abuse them, and especially for the conglamorate casino owner, - who is living in a Villa in Tuscany, or in a Penthouse in New York or Paris.
Privates may indeed salut their Lieutenants and Generals, and dealers have to take shit from their floormen and shift managers - because they have to to keep their minimum wage paying jobs,
but dealers feel more kinship with their fellow players of the same class, particularly because dealers never saw gamblng as some sort of an "us against the evil casino owner" kind of thing, as dealers are grunts on the bottom of the pole anyway, under the boot of the floorman and casino owner, - but more as a "we're all playing here together, - and may you win (if you behave and act fair to me, too.)"
May players understand this too.
Quote: PGBusterIt is a waste of time for you to break the chips down yourself, because it doesn't prove anything to surveillance. Someone with a gaming license has to "prove" the chips in the stack.
This is correct. The dealer, acting as a "house agent," proves the transaction to both the floorman and to the camera.
Quote: FleaStiffAgreed. Even at a Cashiers window, no matter how I stack the chips the cashier will restack them ... that is only correct. Yet before I approach the cashiers cage, I am fully able to count up my chips. At the craps table, as soon as they see a player pausing to count his chips ... its a chorus of "we will do that for you" in a don't count for yourself, only rely on our count attitude.
Yep, and I always make em wait. I would not hand a wad of cash to the teller without knowing how much I was handing them, and I am not going to hand a pile of chips to the house without knowing either. If I count it in the rack and get $1400, and then they count it and it is $1300, I have enough information to ask for a recount.
Otherwise, I have to rely on looking at a stack of chips from 6' away, and my eyes are not that good.
Quote: PaigowdanDo not conclude that some innocent mistake was any act of larceny against you, it was probably just simple tiredness that cause that mistake. If he made that mistake the other way, he would not have noticed it either, and if the player had, he would remain quiet and leave with it consistently.
Believe me, Casino dealers do hope and pray many players win, as because:
1. Winning happy players are appreciative and tipping players, and more so:
2. There is generally very little love lost between the hard-working (and tired) dealer, and the floormen who abuse them, and especially for the conglamorate casino owner, - who is living in a Villa in Tuscany, or in a Penthouse in New York or Paris.
Privates may indeed salut their Lieutenants and Generals, and dealers have to take shit from their floormen and shift managers - because they have to to keep their minimum wage paying jobs,
but dealers feel more kinship with their fellow players of the same class, particularly because dealers never saw gamblng as some sort of an "us against the evil casino owner" kind of thing, as dealers are grunts on the bottom of the pole anyway, under the boot of the floorman and casino owner, - but more as a "we're all playing here together, - and may you win (if you behave and act fair to me, too.)"
May players understand this too.
However, at some houses, its ingrained that the dealers are FOR THE HOUSE and if the nightly drop isn't high enough, they may be persecuted...
I stack my chips now while I play to even 25's and cash only that. I have the left over in my hand and I try not to let them notice because they want a true count.
Quote: jjjooogggIve had at least two dealers show aggravation when Im on a streak.
I would never openly show it, but yes, of course sometimes we want players to lose and GO AWAY! Perhaps you fit that profile for the place(s) you like to visit.
Quote: jjjooogggI saw a player say you saw me losing before I am winning.
This is another one of those challenging sentences that I can't really make heads or tails of.
Quote: jjjooogggA dealer decided to reshuffle because I was high betting.
Unlikely. I'm not saying there's absolutely no way it could happen, but a dealer just deciding on their own isn't how it works. I'd find it more likely to have happened if you said the CW started doing jumping jacks and toe touches to distract you, but even that seems a long shot.
Quote: jjjoooggg
I stack my chips now while I play to even 25's and cash only that. I have the left over in my hand and I try not to let them notice because they want a true count.
As a dealer I appreciate it when the amount a player gives me comes out nice and even, it speeds things up (perhaps only marginally, but still...). Not sure what you think you're accomplishing but trying to make the floor's job harder, but I will say that depending on how observant your dealer is that it probably isn't working that well. I get that kind of situation all the time where a player leaves and the floor rushes over and asks how much he took with him, and I can usually ballpark it with about a 3 nickel margin of error.
Quote: FleaStiffits a chorus of "we will do that for you" in a don't count for yourself, only rely on our count attitude.
I don't deal craps (yet), but I can tell you from experience on every other game that holding up the action isn't something that goes over very well with anyone (players or floor supervisors). Usually, it's the same guy that held up the game tossing nickels to everyone else to play on their side bets that then turns around and starts slapping the table and saying, "C'mon, deal the cards!." But also pretty often it's other players that are bored and tired of waiting. I have a thick skin when it comes to the crap that players shout at me but no one likes getting hollared at because someone else was slow.
Quote: FleaStiffHow is my counting my chips holding up the game in any fashion at all?
I believe we're talking about a player saying, "I want to color up," then proceeding to count. If you just want to count them, or shuffle them, or clack them loudly you're welcome to do that.
And to add to the problem most of the players that count just before they push them across the felt are painfully slow at it.
Once a player on craps wanted to color up, set his mix of red, white and green on the felt. I was on the opposite base (with no players) and said $462 just eyeballing it. It was precisely $462, pretty cool. Usually with stacks setting on the felt I can eyeball within one chip. Sideways in the rail is harder though.
On a BJ table, if a player says color up, and then starts counting chips, can't the dealer just tell them, "finish counting while I deal another hand, and when you are done, I will color you up?"
Seems like that would do two things. One, it would get the other players back in action, which is what they want, and two, that should be slightly embarrassing enough that the player would not do that again, except for the clueless ones, and nothing you can do to fix that. Is it Ron White that says "You can't fix stupid?"
Quote: RaleighCrapsahhh, I see we are all talking color up, yet we are talking about different scenarios...........
On a BJ table, if a player says color up, and then starts counting chips, can't the dealer just tell them, "finish counting while I deal another hand, and when you are done, I will color you up?"
It's situational, sometimes that would be a good way to handle it, sometimes not. In most cases, (at least IMO), getting them out of there is the priority, especially if they're fumbling around with stacks of chips. Those are typically the players that everyone else is blaming for their bad luck. So getting them gone makes everyone happier, it's just a shame they have to take one more shot at aggravating everyone by playing with their chips when they want to color up.
Another annoyance and game slower is the guy that colors up his red to black or green and then hands them back two hands latter for cheque change. Over and over and over. This guy too will often fumble around with them each time, and usually needs his change in the middle of the hand.
Quote: rainmanIt rarely happens that way most of the time game stops dead until the player gets colored.
Tell that to the largest gambling company in the U.S. and its many copycats that have eliminated the box personnel. It is pathetic when the dealers have to stop to sell cheques and to color out. If the casinos were so all-fired concerned about deals per hour, they should have had their efficiency experts measuring how slowly real tables with many transactions function.
I hope Paigowdan spent them wisely.
I wasnt the only one who noticed dealer reshuffle another player complained.
Ive seen dealer at tx station cut above the notch repeatedly. Bu i guess thats impossible right
Quote: jjjooogggI wasnt the only one who noticed dealer reshuffle another player complained.
Ok, that doesn't mean it happened for the reason you think it happened.
Quote: jjjoooggg
Ive seen dealer at tx station cut above the notch repeatedly. Bu i guess thats impossible right
Not impossible at all. Maybe a training issue, maybe any number of other reasons including he just wants to give you lousy penetration. Maybe the question you should be asking yourself is: has the skin on your butt grafted to the upholstery, or can you change tables at will?
This was at a time when mln and max bet was $5. All they did was spend more time shuffling than dealing. After just 2 months , GG removed all the BJ tables.
I wasnt there long maybe 20 minutes. Because my blackjack expert told me not to stay more than an hour. Never said exactly why. But he was adamant about it. I stay max hour. I see how the dealers really feel about players. exhibit A. monkey
There is so much assumptions and lack of common sense. I really dont need any more info here. I was to socialize so bye people. I dont like to be around unfriendly people.
Btw, theres a 50% chance that if i read all the crap aabove me ill have to answer more ridiculous questions or assumptions. So i choose not to.
If Im ahead in 15 minutes its just positive variance because i know basic strategy. I could lose it in 15 min.
Actually i discovered a system better than zen, uston apc, wong halves. Hehe. I side count all the caards ;)
Some say im eistein reincarnated
I throw all the cards in the air. By the time they land I say zero count.
Quote: jjjooogggIve never seen someone cash in repeatedly
This is like a lot of things players say. I draw 7 cards to get 21 and they slap their heads and yell, "Unbelievable!" Not unbelievable at all, it happens every single day. If you spent 40+ hours a week in a casino you'd surely change your opinion of "Unbelievable" and many other things. Players that color up and cheque change 3 hands later are seen ALL THE TIME. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen on a regular basis. Think of it this way: How often do you see houses on fire? Probably not very often, now ask a fireman how often he sees it.
Quote: jjjooogggI wasnt there long maybe 20 minutes. Because my blackjack expert told me not to stay more than an hour. Never said exactly why. But he was adamant about it. I stay max hour. I see how the dealers really feel about players. exhibit A. monkey
The point was, if you don't like how you're being treated or the procedures or the taste of your drink, you're free to leave. This reminds me of the players that sit there and bitch about the shufflers being rigged then place another bet.
As far as how I feel about the players, it varies. Most are really nice people, some are douche bags. I have no idea what you're like as a player and I've offered no opinions on the subject. I wasn't even the one who said I didn't think English was your native language, I just think you don't articulate your thoughts very clearly, and I don't believe the interface you use to post is a factor.
Quote: jjjoooggg
There is so much assumptions and lack of common sense.
You can say that again.
Quote: jjjooogggI really dont need any more info here. I was to socialize so bye people. I dont like to be around unfriendly people.
I love it when posters give the big kiss off. If you go, go. If you want to stay, stay. But who needs the drama?
Quote: jjjoooggg
Btw, theres a 50% chance that if i read all the crap aabove me ill have to answer more ridiculous questions or assumptions. So i choose not to.
If Im ahead in 15 minutes its just positive variance because i know basic strategy. I could lose it in 15 min.
Actually i discovered a system better than zen, uston apc, wong halves. Hehe. I side count all the caards ;)
Some say im eistein reincarnated
I throw all the cards in the air. By the time they land I say zero count.
Alrighty then.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyPlayers that color up and cheque change 3 hands later are seen ALL THE TIME. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen on a regular basis. Think of it this way: How often do you see houses on fire? Probably not very often, now ask a fireman how often he sees it.
I color up and down all the time. I like to think of it as a curse/karma. At the end of every shoe, I color up back down to approximately my buy in (if I'm up). Then, it feels like without fail, 3 hands later I pull off a 4 times split 3 times doubled loser (probably to one of your 7-card 21s:-) ), and i'm reaching into my pocket and trying not to curse.
