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June 7th, 2012 at 7:11:40 AM permalink
At my local casino they give good coupons for blackjack play. I like to keep playing to get the coupons. I'm afraid if I count and spread my bets too much, I'll get backed off and stop getting the match plays. If I count and spread just a little, I think I can still get the free plays. How much do I have to spread in order to get my expected return back to 100%? This way, I can play without losing and win on the free plays.
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June 7th, 2012 at 7:12:34 AM permalink
rules are:

6 decks
penetration down to about 1.25 decks
dealer stands on soft 17
double down on any 2
split Aces once only
re-split other cards up to 4 times
double down after split
no surrender
SlangNRox
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June 7th, 2012 at 8:10:55 AM permalink
0-0 is the only spread that will insure a break even session. The only problem is that it will make it extremely hard to use any match play coupons if you don't bet
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June 7th, 2012 at 8:11:50 AM permalink
Quote: SlangNRox

0-0 is the only spread that will insure a break even session. The only problem is that it will make it extremely hard to use any match play coupons if you don't bet



Yea, thanks that was extremely helpful.
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June 7th, 2012 at 8:17:39 AM permalink
The exact answer depends not just on the spread, but also what you bet when the count is at certain levels. If you had a table showing you the long-term probability of the count at the various TC values, you could figure out a nice betting pattern. I have the table in one of Wong's books, but don't know where the book is...

My hunch is a spread of about 1-4, without any obvious jumps from 1 to 3 or 4 units, would probably get you about 100% without upsetting the pit.
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June 7th, 2012 at 9:05:21 AM permalink
Quote: hhhccc

At my local casino they give good coupons for blackjack play. I like to keep playing to get the coupons. I'm afraid if I count and spread my bets too much, I'll get backed off and stop getting the match plays. If I count and spread just a little, I think I can still get the free plays. How much do I have to spread in order to get my expected return back to 100%? This way, I can play without losing and win on the free plays.



Let's see what we've got here. Very close to 80% penetration but no surrender. With wonging and index play I'm going to say a 1-6 spread should break even or maybe put you slightly ahead.

Counters, myself included, can sometimes become a little paranoid which is not necessarily a bad thing. Is there a specific reason for your backoff concern?
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June 7th, 2012 at 10:37:58 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Let's see what we've got here. Very close to 80% penetration but no surrender. With wonging and index play I'm going to say a 1-6 spread should break even or maybe put you slightly ahead.



Per table signs, no mid-shoe entry. Leaving when on a bad count is fine, but no entry when count is good.
1-6 sounds awfully high to me, I don't know if I could pull it off. 1-4 already sounds too risky, but I guess if I mix it up with 2-unit bets off-the-top, that could work.


Quote: 1BB


Counters, myself included, can sometimes become a little paranoid which is not necessarily a bad thing. Is there a specific reason for your backoff concern?



I don't want to lose the free plays.
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June 7th, 2012 at 10:44:59 AM permalink
Quote: hhhccc

Per table signs, no mid-shoe entry. Leaving when on a bad count is fine, but no entry when count is good.
1-6 sounds awfully high to me, I don't know if I could pull it off. 1-4 already sounds too risky, but I guess if I mix it up with 2-unit bets off-the-top, that could work.




I don't want to lose the free plays.



If you are spreading 1-4, unless you are doing something obnoxious like counting out loud, staring at the cards, or avoiding conversation completely you should have no problem. VERY low chance of there being any issue whatsoever. Basic strategy players vary their bets all the time, many playing a progression. They aren't going to go through a skills check and the effort of booting you from increasing your bet from 10 dollars to 40 dollars, unless it is a brick and mortar joint that sweats the money which it doesn't appear to be from your original post. If you were to get backed off then you wouldn't be playing at all, let alone having the free plays, so don't worry about that. They may let you continue to visit the casino, but no blackjack.
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June 7th, 2012 at 2:03:58 PM permalink
1 to 3 using hi/low. But 1 to 4 looks better.
My unsolicited advice...
If the TC indicates a Raise...don't raise until you win, and only a parlay (1 to 2 or 2 to 4 only).
Always reduce the the bet immediately according to TC.
Play at -1 TC, but not at -2 TC or worse

GL & GG.
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