AlanMendelson
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:05:06 AM permalink
There have been many claims of big wins and there is one player in particular who has challenged forum members to a big money wager if others don't believe him.

So what proof would you need to believe a big money claim?

Let's divide it into two areas: slot/machine wins is the first category. Table games is the second category.

I'll go first.

For a machine win I'll need the W2G confirmed by the casino.

For a table win, unless a 1099 or W2G is issued I don't know what would constitute acceptable proof unless the casino provided tapes from the eye or if the entire session were livestreamed on YouTube and you saw the livestream or the replay.

Any other "proof" especially of a table game win could be manufactured.

Anyone else?
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:06:29 AM permalink
Who cares. Some people tell the truth and some people lie. Just don't trust anyone and let everyone live their own lies.
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:22:17 AM permalink
My local casino has a single $90K+ jackpot for a Royal on Let It Ride, MS Stud, and UTH. I guess they don't pay out very often.
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:24:48 AM permalink
I've asked a table games executive this question. Waiting on a reply. I tend to think a query could be run of the player's name and date and it would give a net win/loss, but this is just educated guessing.
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AlanMendelson
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:34:09 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've asked a table games executive this question. Waiting on a reply. I tend to think a query could be run of the player's name and date and it would give a net win/loss, but this is just educated guessing.
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I'd be very interested in what the official response is and what the proof is?

If its simply a statement by a floor person -- no -- that doesnt work for me. It would have to be something that the casino has officially reported perhaps a cash transaction report which puts the casino's name and reputation and liability on the line. The tape from the eye would help.

Statements from employees can be bought. Especially when a wager is for 10k.
ChumpChange
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:41:43 AM permalink
The famed BJ counter from the UK travelling through Washington State area casinos had to show ID (or a Player's Card) at the cage to cash out $1,000 or more in chips. He refused so the police were alerted. Yeah, so check police reports for silly disputes like that.
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:50:03 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've asked a table games executive this question. Waiting on a reply. I tend to think a query could be run of the player's name and date and it would give a net win/loss, but this is just educated guessing.
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I can run all kinds of reports on play. We just had a player hit his 2nd $100,000 jackpot on High Card Flush (10% of jackpot for 6 card straight flush. That brought him to even for win loss the last 5 years on our books. Except then there's the taxes he's had to pay on each jackpot, so not so even on his side of the books.


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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:51:33 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

There have been many claims of big wins and there is one player in particular who has challenged forum members to a big money wager if others don't believe him.

So what proof would you need to believe a big money claim?

Let's divide it into two areas: slot/machine wins is the first category. Table games is the second category.

I'll go first.

For a machine win I'll need the W2G confirmed by the casino.

For a table win, unless a 1099 or W2G is issued I don't know what would constitute acceptable proof unless the casino provided tapes from the eye or if the entire session were livestreamed on YouTube and you saw the livestream or the replay.

Any other "proof" especially of a table game win could be manufactured.

Anyone else?
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What would a W2-G prove?

I can go into a particular casino I know and play $500 a spin. Probably lose thirty grand, then hit bonus round which pays me $28,000.

Does my W2-G prove I won $28,000 or did I just lose $2,000?
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July 3rd, 2022 at 10:56:25 AM permalink
My friend, who has been the president of table games are various big properties, said if the play was rated, it would be easy to look up the net win/loss by date in the computer.
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ChumpChange
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July 3rd, 2022 at 11:01:09 AM permalink
Is a casino touring bus host going to read out the details of each riders' win/loss and total gambled for the day to everybody on the bus? Not far-fetched, but isn't that supposed to be relegated to the player logging into his/her own Player's Club account? It's likely not even listed anywhere anyway.

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