AcesAndEights
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November 21st, 2012 at 12:19:03 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Ugh.

Spam.


Yeah, just flag it. If enough people do this it will go away.
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RaleighCraps
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November 21st, 2012 at 7:10:57 PM permalink
Oooops. Flagged MrV post by accident. Sorry 'bout that.
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Ahigh
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November 21st, 2012 at 7:20:53 PM permalink
If you want to do "craps club" it's very easy. Pay true odds on every single bet and don't take or pay line bets (only the odds) as the line bets are too complicated to pay even odds. One or more people plays the "house" and if it's more than one person, you just divvy up the result in the same percentage that you start with.

Especially the hop bets and hardway bets become very interesting. If you do this you can allow any percentage buy-in for a stake in the bank, and even allow people to be the bank without any play at all and everything is still fair.

As far as doing this without getting busted:

* Do not charge any vigs on any bets
* Do not charge for drinks (BYO is the way to go)

Basically if you're just doing it for fun and there is no "house" that is charging for drinks or anything else, you won't get in any trouble.

Of course the edge on the game is so low, that's the truth is that it's just more fun to go to the casino. That's the main reason people don't play craps at home much. Exceptions exist for the high edge bets, but most people are just okay with the free odds and line bets.

I have a fantastic setup, and I have yet to invite a single person over to play at my house. SOOPOO came by and he didn't even play. We were just fooling around with the toss device. We both played in the casino.

The amount of manual labor just shoving chips around is worth the vig.
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odiousgambit
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November 22nd, 2012 at 2:59:27 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

If you want to do "craps club" it's very easy.



If you want to do it without the club or anyone profiting, do it like street craps and have the shooter be the "house" while he has the dice. Side bets at true odds.

I hadn't thought about this before, but I guess it is a slight advantage in street craps to decline to be the shooter, and just try to get action against the shooter. Right?

Supposedly you can also try to get action on side bets at the wrong odds, I've heard of that.
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NokTang
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November 22nd, 2012 at 3:07:51 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit


Supposedly you can also try to get action on side bets at the wrong odds, I've heard of that.



Yes, even money on all points. It happens over and over again. People just don't know what they are doing or are on crack/crystal meth.. Even in an educated crowd you will see people pile on the point established againist the house guy. He's usually a winner but not always. Dice do get hot. Others put loaded dice (and more often dice shaved) in said games. It's a tough cruel world out there in "street" games, be careful.
biggins
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November 25th, 2012 at 6:42:35 PM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

This might trump the last one...
This past Saturday, at JANugget in Sparks, playing craps. I made a 2-way-Parlay Hard8 Bet ($1/$1)
It hit once..of course Parlay, $10 out there now.
It hit twice...Parlay; Starting to sweat $100 out riding(Hey it was only $1)
It hit THREE TIMES! $1000 and down for me and the boys!!!

Not only did this happen during the day shift (9am-5pm), it AGAIN happened during the graveyard shift (1am-9am). Unfortunately I couldn't get it to happen the entire 8 hours of swing shift (5pm-1am) but I tried!
On the flipside, yes I played 24 hours STRAIGHT of craps this weekend. (Acutally more than that, but I know of 24 hours that we only left the table to take bathroom breaks and one dinner break for 30 minutes) It was JUST THAT HOT the ENTIRE TIME. I only started the entire session with $100 and I played $50 action at all times ($5 pass, one $5 come; both with max odds 3x4x5x), and I probably put in god knows how much play over the weekend, ended with $300 in comp PLUS my few meals comped (probably $75 worth of food) and $1000 in my pocket. (Yes I know I won $2000)



Hey Tim Speed congrats dude!

You make my win of $500 with a 5k bankroll look like an accident. Great money management! Come out to Vegas we'll play on my bankroll and I'll treat you to a nice suite providing you bring along some skill...and a schosh of luck.

Great job!!
biggins
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November 25th, 2012 at 6:42:36 PM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

This might trump the last one...
This past Saturday, at JANugget in Sparks, playing craps. I made a 2-way-Parlay Hard8 Bet ($1/$1)
It hit once..of course Parlay, $10 out there now.
It hit twice...Parlay; Starting to sweat $100 out riding(Hey it was only $1)
It hit THREE TIMES! $1000 and down for me and the boys!!!

Not only did this happen during the day shift (9am-5pm), it AGAIN happened during the graveyard shift (1am-9am). Unfortunately I couldn't get it to happen the entire 8 hours of swing shift (5pm-1am) but I tried!
On the flipside, yes I played 24 hours STRAIGHT of craps this weekend. (Acutally more than that, but I know of 24 hours that we only left the table to take bathroom breaks and one dinner break for 30 minutes) It was JUST THAT HOT the ENTIRE TIME. I only started the entire session with $100 and I played $50 action at all times ($5 pass, one $5 come; both with max odds 3x4x5x), and I probably put in god knows how much play over the weekend, ended with $300 in comp PLUS my few meals comped (probably $75 worth of food) and $1000 in my pocket. (Yes I know I won $2000)



Hey Tim Speed congrats dude!

You make my win of $500 with a 5k bankroll look like an accident. Great money management! Come out to Vegas we'll play on my bankroll and I'll treat you to a nice suite providing you bring along some skill...and a schosh of luck.

Great job!!
biggins
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November 25th, 2012 at 6:50:24 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Welcome to the forum. There are many threads that discuss dice control, and the many disbelievers (I am one of them). Tell me how much you think you can 'control' the dice and I will devise a bet against you. None of the gazillion dice control proponents ever are actually willing to go through a real world test putting their own real money on the line. They are, however, willing to sell you lessons. You figure out why.....



SooPoo,
I have a great marketing idea. With all that east coast money you have you should buy a casino, invite me to your grand opening to win 100"s of thousands, post my ugly mug on your marquis as a winner, and you will then earn millions from all the players who try to duplicate my success who have no idea how to win. RFB in the sweet suite life is fine as my fee.

FYI- the second client has yet to leave....earning 1k/day on his 10k bankroll. I guess I now have a pet! lol

Hope all is well with you. Step-up-to-the-plate man!!! lol

Biggins
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November 25th, 2012 at 8:04:07 PM permalink
You are a day late and a dollar short. Ahigh has signed an exclusive endorsement contract with SooPoo.

Rumor has it that ahigh's agent is HB.
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SOOPOO
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November 25th, 2012 at 8:09:50 PM permalink
Quote: biggins

SooPoo,
I have a great marketing idea. With all that east coast money you have you should buy a casino, invite me to your grand opening to win 100"s of thousands, post my ugly mug on your marquis as a winner, and you will then earn millions from all the players who try to duplicate my success who have no idea how to win. RFB in the sweet suite life is fine as my fee.

FYI- the second client has yet to leave....earning 1k/day on his 10k bankroll. I guess I now have a pet! lol

Hope all is well with you. Step-up-to-the-plate man!!! lol

Biggins



It will never happen! If you are playing a negative EV game, I expect that each bet I make will have some negative expectation. If I wanted an 86% chance to win $1000 with a $10000 bankroll I can do that myself, quite easily. I have offered all 'dice influencers' and 'money management winners' an opportunity to state what they can do, and then I'll be happy to bet against them. All have an excuse to avoid the bet..... Wonder why?

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