FleaStiff
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December 12th, 2010 at 6:46:29 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I think anybody who can defeat HE of at least 9% on hardways by using dice control is, well, making quite a claim.

Yes. Defeating any such house edge would be difficult. I think that is why Dice Controllers/ Influencers /Whatever all claim to exert some unknown subtle "influence" on the dice. This of course makes their claims unprovable and allows them to assert that normal variance is evidence of their abilities.
aahigh
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December 12th, 2010 at 9:02:57 PM permalink
Understanding I'm not claiming I can control the dice. I only claim to have done what I have done and that it has been fun. You cannot argue with the facts, and I have done what I have claimed to have done, and I have plenty of witnesses.

But do please understand I am not claiming I can always do it.

I let it be known to everyone that I play for fun, and fun is what I get.

I do strive for dice control, but not for greed .. rather to have a good time and to get the props from the dealers and the players alike. Whether I can control the dice or not, plenty of people believe that I can, and that's good enough for me. I honestly am smart enough not to believe that I can do it, and I certainly don't have the wins to even back up such claims.

I have a respectable career outside of craps that wouldn't be hard to do your own research and find out about, and to try to do that for a full time gig or even bring home a big chunk of change would just make my taxes too complicated and put a bump in my real career.

But I do still want to meet up with some characters from online and pick some brains about what people _think_ about dice control. So let's see some faces. Name the places!

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- Aaron
TIMSPEED
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December 13th, 2010 at 3:23:41 PM permalink
Quote: aahigh


But I do still want to meet up with some characters from online and pick some brains about what people _think_ about dice control. So let's see some faces. Name the places!

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- Aaron


I wished Dice Control had this kind of following in Reno...among dice players in Reno, we all know each other, however their are only a couple that choose to "try" to influence the dice (myself included)
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
goatcabin
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December 13th, 2010 at 6:02:09 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Other fun parlays:


- 2 or 12 parly twice: 1/36 x 1/36 = 1,296:1 to win $899.



$1 12, win $30, now $31 12, win $930 take $961 down, won $960, no?

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, Ca
Cheers, Alan Shank "How's that for a squabble, Pugh?" Peter Boyle as Mister Moon in "Yellowbeard"
DeMango
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December 13th, 2010 at 6:36:25 PM permalink
Alan;
You would not get that amount ($960) if you were stupid enough to play at a Harrah's property on the strip that pays 30 FOR 1. Conversely there are a few casinos (North Vegas) that used to pay 31 TO 1!! Not sure if that is still current, but that would be $1024 down.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
goatcabin
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December 14th, 2010 at 11:12:46 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Alan;
You would not get that amount ($960) if you were stupid enough to play at a Harrah's property on the strip that pays 30 FOR 1. Conversely there are a few casinos (North Vegas) that used to pay 31 TO 1!! Not sure if that is still current, but that would be $1024 down.



I would not play at any casino that pays less than 30:1 on those. The figures quoted were at 30:1, but not letting everything ride.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
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TIMSPEED
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December 14th, 2010 at 1:24:38 PM permalink
Just for jokes...
I threw a hard-4 THREE TIMES IN A ROW the other night..
The worst part..I bet a $1 hop on the first one ($31 and down!)
That $1 could have made me...$5000 (table max prop bet payout) in THREE ROLLS OF THE DICE!
EDIT: Actually $795 plus leaving out $166 to get the $5000 ($5166 and down + $795 = $5961
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
aahigh
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December 17th, 2010 at 12:21:20 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

Just for jokes...
I threw a hard-4 THREE TIMES IN A ROW the other night..
The worst part..I bet a $1 hop on the first one ($31 and down!)
That $1 could have made me...$5000 (table max prop bet payout) in THREE ROLLS OF THE DICE!
EDIT: Actually $795 plus leaving out $166 to get the $5000 ($5166 and down + $795 = $5961



This is part of what I was saying. If you want to know if you are controlling the dice, TRY for SAME hards back-to-back and hop it on each roll, and make a note anytime you can hit 3 or 4 in a row .. because that is not statistically likely AT ALL.

I found out, for example, the max bet on a hop bet at some casinos is $100, even though the max bet posted is $5000, they don't want to pay over $3000 on a hop bet. That same place (Las Vegas Hilton) allows a $1500 bet on a hard 6/8 for a $13500 payout or a $2000 bet on the hard 4/10 for a $14,000 payout. Not sure the logic behind this, but I did ask the box man (or woman as it were) about this to get specific answers. Why they don't allow $500 hop bets .. I don't know but it probably has to do with the fact that hops are a single roll bet because the house edge is higher on hops than on hard ways (11%/13% for easy/hard hops and 9%/11% for 6or8/4or10 hards) - http://wizardofodds.com/craps

I think if you want to cash in on back-to-back hards, you're still better off playing hard ways on the 6 and 8, or if you roll a lot more hard 10's and 4's do that .. you can definitely win faster on the hops if you are an expert thrower and can hit your numbers quickly, but it's going to be a lot more expensive to find out and you will find out quicker hopping it.

Parlaying hard way bets is therefore the better option I think if you want the big win. Although other casinos may allow more than $100 hop bets.

I have rolled someone else into five figures from a $100 buy-in at Silverton while they parlayed hardway bets on my throwing. I haven't won more than a couple hundred bucks for myself gambling .. EVER.

But I know for a fact that I have the ability to throw for that kind of win. Andy tipped me $50 for that win and said "play hard" because I was only making $5 pass line bets when he did that. I've since spoken with him a couple of times, and I see him around a lot. He's a good guy that I really enjoy running into when I'm out playing.
ewjones080
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February 22nd, 2012 at 4:07:06 AM permalink
I've read a lot about dice control, and I do think it's possible. I've practiced A LOT at home, and I feel I have good feel of the dice. Since I'm not sure about rules on mentioning other gambling sites I won't mention where I learned this. But what I can tell you is it's not about repeating a specific number or repeating pairs, it's about reducing the seven, for Rightside bettors. Yes rolling a hardway shows good control, but most people won't be able to get an advantage on it.

However on one particular night, I was shooting and hitting several hard sixes and eights. Probably 6 or seven total (not sure how many came before another easy). But more importantly I was hitting TONS of points, probably 9 total. I had small action, just $22 inside, pressing my odds by $2 after every hit, before I knew I had gone from 5 in odds to 50. This got me a $500 win on this 45 min roll.

I've had other occasions where I'll repeat a specific combo, like 5-3. And recently I went, shot 4 times, maybe 40 rolls and didn't see a single 2 or 12. Certainly that's not that outrageous, but I feel I roll very few 2's and 12's.
ewjones080
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February 22nd, 2012 at 5:10:47 AM permalink
After reading the next two pages of comments, I feel I need to say something about dice control. Like I said I think it is possible, and it's not about missing the back wall. While it may seem hitting the back wall immediately makes the dice random, I don't think that's true, so long as they don't bounce off radically, they need to bounce softly. In actuality, you only need to "control" a fraction of your throws, and by control I mean NO CHANCE of a seven, because you don't have to reduce the seven by much to get an advantage of the smallest HE bets.

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