Another Royal flush...

I play alot of Online VP and at our casino here, I have hit maybe 14 Royals in my time, but this is the 2nd time i have had it dealt to me...

Note before and after screen shot... this was 1st of this month








Coupled with my Casino win, end of May...its been a really good two months for me....

Win or not (and OBVIOUSLY the great majority of players do not win, maybe even including deadmunny over time) people who play video poker on-line have more than a gambling problem. You can't just wait until you have time to get to a casino? I've always wondered what drives a person to trust unregulated 3rd world sites, with no accountability to anyone and no recourse other than how they say and what they choose to do. Pretending they're regulated because they say "regulated in accordance to LV standards" or any other mouthful of 5c words only adds to the problem.

I occasionally make sports bets on-line because the results are the results and unlike machines or table games, nothing can alter the expected return.

Quote: JerryLogan

people who play video poker on-line have more than a gambling problem.

Yes, and people who post to Face book or Twitter (or other online social networking sites) have more than a social phobia problem ...

And people who buy at Amazon.com are compulsive spenders because they can't wait to get to a store...

I don't know why people view gambling as a "problem." Some people who have problems will gamble. In general, people who have problematic addictive tendencies tend to find a medium in which to express their addictions, whether gambling, sex, cigarettes, tobacco, or whatever. There are products that appeal to the market niche of those with addictive tendencies ... there is extensive market research dedicated to making these products as successful as possible ... but similar market research is there for most products ...

If A then B ... A is a sufficient condition for B ... B is a necessary condition for A ... rinse and repeat ...

I greatly enjoyed the "Century of the Self" documentary series that explores the incredibly deep "If B then A" part of this that I think you are trying to express ...

Here is part 1/6 of episode 1...

--Dorothy

Quote: JerryLogan

Win or not (and OBVIOUSLY the great majority of players do not win, maybe even including deadmunny over time) people who play video poker on-line have more than a gambling problem. You can't just wait until you have time to get to a casino?

Do you just hate gamblers, or do you hate everyone?

I don't personally know anyone here, but what I do know is how important a role denial plays in pathological gamblers. They're able to create more justifications for doing it than Hillary Clinton has been coming up with for reasons why she stayed with that adulterer & compulsive liar husband of hers.

Gambling is viewed as a major problem because of the numerous ancillary social problems it creates. People who can't wait until they go to a casino and therefore gamble on-line at unregulated joints because of their uncontrollable anxiety, have a big problem. Shopping on-line and posting on Facebook is not the same as taking unnecessary risks (gambling at an unregulated venue) at on-line casinos.

Mr Logan hates everyone, even me.

Quote: JerryLogan

I don't personally know anyone here, but what I do know is how important a role denial plays in pathological gamblers.

There's your big error -- you are assuming you know who is here. There are a few "gamblers" here, but you obviously have no idea who you are talking with. The level of knowledge about the industry here is something you cannot begin to imagine.

And how important is "denial." Is it greater than socio-economic class, or religious affiliation, or skin color or sexual orientation? How about mood disorders, depression, guilt, grief, etc.? How about having ancillary addictions like alcohol or cigarettes?

Of all the factors that go into those with addictive tendencies who express a portion of those tendencies, sometimes, while they gamble, where exactly does "denial" sit? You said you know.

Perhaps you are pathologically arrogant?

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

There's your big error -- you are assuming you know who is here. There are a few "gamblers" here, but you obviously have no idea who you are talking with. The level of knowledge about the industry here is something you cannot begin to imagine.

Perhaps you are pathologically arrogant?

--Dorothy

Why are you so upset? Did I hit the nail on the head, or am I getting a little too close to home for comfort? And since you are implying you are very knowledgeable about that industry, I would love to hear precisely where I am wrong about the regulation and accountability of such entities. Or about why such people don't just wait until they can go to a real casino to gamble. Rather than just implying I am not part of the circle of brilliance around here, I am more than willing to be corrected, and admit that correction, if a set of facts can be presented that directly dispute my conclusions.

I have no idea if you are an on-line gambler or not, but you're sure doing your best to let me know.

Here's a nice Wikipedia article to get you started --

CLICK ME

There is no problem saying things -- it's easy -- what's hard is to say something that has meaning.

I seem to be editing this a lot ... at any rate here is a quote from that article. I cannot find "denial" here ... "denial" means to believe that you don't have a problem, that is to "lie to yourself." Denial is much more common with alcoholism and drug addiction, not with gambling.

Quote: Wikipedia

Most other definitions of problem gambling can usually be simplified to any gambling that causes harm to the gambler or someone else in any way. However, these definitions are usually coupled with descriptions of the type of harm or the use of diagnostic criteria According to DSM-IV, Pathological gambling is now defined as separate from a manic episode. Only when the gambling occurs independent of other impulsive, mood, or thought disorders is it considered its own diagnosis. In order to be diagnosed, an individual must have at least 5 (or more) of the following symptoms:

1. Preoccupation. The subject has frequent thoughts about gambling experiences, whether past, future, or fantasy.
2. Tolerance. As with drug tolerance, the subject requires larger or more frequent wagers to experience the same "rush".
3. Withdrawal. Restlessness or irritability associated with attempts to cease or reduce gambling.
4. Escape. The subject gambles to improve mood or escape problems.
5. Chasing. The subject tries to win back gambling losses with more gambling.
6. Lying. The subject tries to hide the extent of his or her gambling by lying to family, friends, or therapists.
7. Loss of control. The person has unsuccessfully attempted to reduce gambling.
8. Illegal acts. The person has broken the law in order to obtain gambling money or recover gambling losses. This may include acts of theft, embezzlement, fraud, or forgery.
9. Risked significant relationship. The person gambles despite risking or losing a relationship, job, or other significant opportunity.
10. Bailout. The person turns to family, friends, or another third party for financial assistance as a result of gambling.

Jerry you seem like a nice and well meaning guy. If you ask, there are people who know enough here to tell.

--Dorothy

Quote: JerryLogan

I am more than willing to be corrected, and admit that correction, if a set of facts can be presented that directly dispute my conclusions.

Give me a break. Do actually think of yourself that way. If so you are sicker than I thought.

Wow, Did not expect this...LOL,

I've always wondered what drives a person to trust unregulated 3rd world sites, with no accountability to anyone and no recourse other than how they say and what they choose to do. Pretending they're regulated because they say "regulated in accordance to LV standards" or any other mouthful of 5c words only adds to the problem.

I occasionally make sports bets on-line because the results are the results and unlike machines or table games, nothing can alter the expected return.

This seems oxymoronish? you assume its "some" 3rd world site?..its actually based in the UK (most others are based in tax -free places, Malta, Netherland Antilles etc), My payouts are prompt and accurate with a 1st class customer support.. (It also has the added benefit of crediting me back on my CC, within 3 days) after all that you then go onto say

"I make occasional Online sports bets............" ...Isn't that akin to berating someone for how bad it is to eat Fast Food whilst also stating that you enjoy the occasional meal from KFC?



OK, For Me, I live in Jamaica originally from the UK, have played Online poker for many years, I am "up" way more than I have lost.

I havent made a deposit with my own money into a Poker account for 6+ years (When PartyPoker was king).

Online Video Poker, for me is recreational..But the last 2 months have been especially good, and have won +5 figures.
of the last 2 months.

If this is bad in some way *shrugs*, I Operate my own business, + wife and 2 kids...I am too busy to be pathological...LOL

4 tickets to Toronto $3000
10 day minivan rental from Avis $1100
2 night stay at the Hilton Niagra in a 3 bedroom suite overlooking the falls $1200

Winning money online that pays for ALL of it? .........Priceless

Quote: JerryLogan

I am more than willing to be corrected ...

Ok. Here's some problems I see with things you've written so far:

Quote: JerryLogan

I've always wondered what drives a person to trust unregulated 3rd world sites

I think your first erroneous conclusion is that all online casinos are based in the third world, and you further conclude (assume) that Deadmunny is playing one of those. Maybe, maybe not. Deadmunny didn't say. (EDIT: Deadmunny put up the previous post while I was composing my post) Harrah's Entertainment runs an online casino (to players outside the US).Why would someone trust an online casino? Probably an endorsement from a respected professional gambler, professor of gaming math, and highly-respected gaming consultant would be a good start. I know of one site that has those qualifications.

Quote: JerryLogan

I occasionally make sports bets on-line because the results are the results and unlike machines or table games, nothing can alter the expected return

And you trust an online casino or sportsbook to honor that wager? What drives to you to trust such an unregulated 3rd world site?

Quote: JerryLogan

Gambling is viewed as a major problem because of the numerous ancillary social problems it creates.

Viewed as a major problem by whom? I think if you just started asking random people to name 5 major problems in society today, you probably would not get gambling as a response.

Quote: JerryLogan

People who can't wait until they go to a casino and therefore gamble on-line at unregulated joints because of their uncontrollable anxiety, have a big problem

If I spent $500 to get to a brick-and-mortar casino to gamble $1000, because I don't want to gamble online, is that better than losing $200 gambling at unregulated online sites? (Hint: The answer is that if any of that money is money I can't afford to spend on gambling then either scenario is bad) (EDIT: Once again, I did this before Deadmunny put up the numbers in the prior post)

Read thru the posts from Jerry Logan. He is purposely trying to push other peoples buttons or he is simply the most unpleasant person I have come across in quite some time. I had already started ignoring anything he writes and I suggest other people do likewise.

Quote: DorothyGale

Here's a nice Wikipedia article to get you started --

CLICK ME

There is no problem saying things -- it's easy -- what's hard is to say something that has meaning.

I seem to be editing this a lot ... at any rate here is a quote from that article. I cannot find "denial" here ... "denial" means to believe that you don't have a problem, that is to "lie to yourself." Denial is much more common with alcoholism and drug addiction, not with gambling.



Jerry you seem like a nice and well meaning guy. If you ask, there are people who know enough here to tell.

--Dorothy

I see I struck a lot of nerves here with the facts, so I'll go at it one by one.

Dorothy, when I took a philosophy class in college we were taught that if a point is made that ruffles feathers to any extent, a short response is made with little more than opining. But if a definitive problem is identified having a direct correlation to the person the issue is being discussed with, a flowing, lengthy answer will result that is suppose to ease the discomfort but never really does. As such, I'd have to believe you have a gambling problem of some type that requires you to go the extra mile just to try and justify it.

Quote: Deadmunny

Wow, Did not expect this...LOL,

I've always wondered what drives a person to trust unregulated 3rd world sites, with no accountability to anyone and no recourse other than how they say and what they choose to do. Pretending they're regulated because they say "regulated in accordance to LV standards" or any other mouthful of 5c words only adds to the problem.

I occasionally make sports bets on-line because the results are the results and unlike machines or table games, nothing can alter the expected return.

This seems oxymoronish? you assume its "some" 3rd world site?..its actually based in the UK (most others are based in tax -free places, Malta, Netherland Antilles etc), My payouts are prompt and accurate with a 1st class customer support.. (It also has the added benefit of crediting me back on my CC, within 3 days) after all that you then go onto say

"I make occasional Online sports bets............" ...Isn't that akin to berating someone for how bad it is to eat Fast Food whilst also stating that you enjoy the occasional meal from KFC?



OK, For Me, I live in Jamaica originally from the UK, have played Online poker for many years, I am "up" way more than I have lost.

I havent made a deposit with my own money into a Poker account for 6+ years (When PartyPoker was king).

Online Video Poker, for me is recreational..But the last 2 months have been especially good, and have won +5 figures.
of the last 2 months.

If this is bad in some way *shrugs*, I Operate my own business, + wife and 2 kids...I am too busy to be pathological...LOL

4 tickets to Toronto $3000
10 day minivan rental from Avis $1100
2 night stay at the Hilton Niagra in a 3 bedroom suite overlooking the falls $1200

Winning money online that pays for ALL of it? .........Priceless

One of the first responses from someone who knows they are doing something dumb but would never admit it to anyone OR themself, is to go on and on and make unsupportable claims of winning and how easy it has always been to just use on-line gambling sites as a means of simple withdrawals. The Internet is full of desperate justification rambles like yours and assertions like yours, but unfortunately for the exposed on-line addicts, it's also full of on-line gaming sites. Do the math. Oh wait a minute, you don't need any math skills when playing on-line because they are so GOOD to the players!

Being from the UK, I don't expect you'd ever see the Isle of Man as a 3rd world entity, just like those other ridiculous places you mentioned.

Quote: EnvyBonus

Why would someone trust an online casino? Probably an endorsement from a respected professional gambler, professor of gaming math, and highly-respected gaming consultant would be a good start.

And you trust an online casino or sportsbook to honor that wager? What drives to you to trust such an unregulated 3rd world site?

Viewed as a major problem by whom? I think if you just started asking random people to name 5 major problems in society today, you probably would not get gambling as a response.

1. I make a few sports bets a year on-line, generally for the big games. The foreigners can't fix the outcome like they can a vp or BJ game, so half the problem has been eliminated. They don't honor the win then I don't honor the credit card deposit, and I will win that battle 100% of the time. There is very little risk overall.

2. I respect the Wizard's resume, but I question his endorsement of Bo-Dog(?) if it goes any further than generating advertisement dollars for income. Besides, what's his math skills and consultant abilities got to do with his truly knowing if their on-line machines or table games are 100% legit? I have no doubt he's done his homework in COMPARING on-line casinos before choosing which one to really endorse, but obviously no one would ever know for sure, and any client would support such a place until the cows come home.

3. Gambling wouldn't be in the top 5 because so many people are into it and it is personally humiliating to be admitting you engage in something that's such a problem. But while you're trying to deflect the damage from that, take a good look at Las Vegas. It leads the country in social problems, bankruptcies, foreclosures and divorce rates. It has very low rated schools and healthcare. I don't see Tucson, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Phoenix, Santa Fe or Los Angeles included in there. It's Las Vegas. Why? Because of the gambling! To me, someone who's not in denial, that's a problem.

Quote: JerryLogan

2. I respect the Wizard's resume, but I question his endorsement of Bo-Dog(?) if it goes any further than generating advertisement dollars for income.

I don't understand why you hyphenated Bodog, nor do I understand exactly what you mean by "(the endorsement) go(ing) any further than generating advertisement dollars for income." Most product endorsements are the result of the endorser being paid, but if you are wondering about the extent of the endorsement, it's here.

Quote: JerryLogan

Besides, what's his math skills and consultant abilities got to do with his truly knowing if their on-line machines or table games are 100% legit? I have no doubt he's done his homework in COMPARING on-line casinos before choosing which one to really endorse, but obviously no one would ever know for sure, and any client would support such a place until the cows come home.

My point was that I believe someone endorsing a product in his/her field, such as an online casino for a gaming expert (with "math skills"), should be considered more important by the consumer than an endorsement by the same person for a pain medication or an athletic shoe, which is outside of a gaming consultant's field of expertise.

Quote: JerryLogan

. . .take a good look at Las Vegas. It leads the country in social problems, bankruptcies, foreclosures and divorce rates. It has very low rated schools and healthcare. I don't see Tucson, Salt Lake City, San Diego, Phoenix, Santa Fe or Los Angeles included in there. It's Las Vegas. Why? Because of the gambling! To me, someone who's not in denial, that's a problem.

I'm not sure about the specific cities you mentioned, but I thought it was fairly well known that Utah (and thus probably Salt Lake City) has a big bankruptcy problem.

Quote: EnvyBonus

I don't understand why you hyphenated Bodog, nor do I understand exactly what you mean by "(the endorsement) go(ing) any further than generating advertisement dollars for income." Most product endorsements are the result of the endorser being paid, but if you are wondering about the extent of the endorsement, it's here.



My point was that I believe someone endorsing a product in his/her field, such as an online casino for a gaming expert (with "math skills"), should be considered more important by the consumer than an endorsement by the same person for a pain medication or an athletic shoe, which is outside of a gaming consultant's field of expertise.



I'm not sure about the specific cities you mentioned, but I thought it was fairly well known that Utah (and thus probably Salt Lake City) has a big bankruptcy problem.

1. When I wrote BoDog I guessed at the spelling because I don't bet there and have never been there.

2. I don't really know who Wizard is and am slowly reading about him. What I've seen is that he only endorses one on-line casino after doing his homework, and apparently it's advertisment is a major source of income for him. I had to assume he did a very careful comparison before making that one choice....or that they offered the best pay.

3. Definitely his endorsement of BoDog means something extra to the inquiring gambler, no doubt about it. But as a potential customer I look at the entire picture before making a decision of what to do with my money. First, his endorsement in no way guarantees that the virtual machines and table games are completley legit. The cashier may pay out promptly and accurately, even better than all others. But that's only half the issue. Then, if I were a professional gambler as you said Wizard was, wouldn't his time be more well spent gambling than associating with an on-line casino for advertisement income? Just sayin.

4. Certainly Utah has lots of bankruptcies and Phoenix has lots of foreclosures (& illegal aliens, at least for NOW!). But I just read earlier in the week on CNN on-line that overall Harry Reid has the biggest hill to climb because his state is the most socially devasted in the country right now. It went on to list its lead in multiple social problem areas.

Quote: Deadmunny

Wow, Did not expect this...LOL,

I've always wondered what drives a person to trust unregulated 3rd world sites, with no accountability to anyone and no recourse other than how they say and what they choose to do. Pretending they're regulated because they say "regulated in accordance to LV standards" or any other mouthful of 5c words only adds to the problem.

I occasionally make sports bets on-line because the results are the results and unlike machines or table games, nothing can alter the expected return.

This seems oxymoronish? you assume its "some" 3rd world site?..its actually based in the UK (most others are based in tax -free places, Malta, Netherland Antilles etc), My payouts are prompt and accurate with a 1st class customer support.. (It also has the added benefit of crediting me back on my CC, within 3 days) after all that you then go onto say

"I make occasional Online sports bets............" ...Isn't that akin to berating someone for how bad it is to eat Fast Food whilst also stating that you enjoy the occasional meal from KFC?



OK, For Me, I live in Jamaica originally from the UK, have played Online poker for many years, I am "up" way more than I have lost.

I havent made a deposit with my own money into a Poker account for 6+ years (When PartyPoker was king).

Online Video Poker, for me is recreational..But the last 2 months have been especially good, and have won +5 figures.
of the last 2 months.

If this is bad in some way *shrugs*, I Operate my own business, + wife and 2 kids...I am too busy to be pathological...LOL

4 tickets to Toronto $3000
10 day minivan rental from Avis $1100
2 night stay at the Hilton Niagra in a 3 bedroom suite overlooking the falls $1200

Winning money online that pays for ALL of it? .........Priceless

BTW, since your big-win thread got hijacked by the one who's name I won't mention...let me be the first to say what should have been said...

CONGRATS on your recent big wins!