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May 15th, 2015 at 6:19:00 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Did you just reply to yourself? But yeah, keep the SF.

If you can't hit taxables, you shouldn't be playing a game where you can hit a taxable.



Lol yes I did. I don't mind taxable but 1200ish taxable suck. I would end up with 850 after tax since I don't itemize.
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May 15th, 2015 at 6:21:28 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

SF dealt is worth 250 credits (239 at some $5 machines to circumvent 1200 taxable)

Dumping a SF for a KQJTs is worth 93 credits. KEEP the straight flush!

I agree with RS. You'd have to be playing a $5 denom or above (lower for multi play) to hit a taxable, but then again if you were playing that high you were expecting a taxable. Even more so if you are playing a bonus/double game where regular BP 4 aces will give you a taxable, any 4oak and above on Double and DDB variants.



I was referring back to the 100 play dealt flush. There are only 2 ways to get a taxable on a 100 play nickel game. I meant if I were dealt a sf on 100 play I would be tempted to dump the 9.
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May 15th, 2015 at 7:16:28 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

A few decent hits lately...

In the "not quite a royal" vein, I did hit a royal... playing penny deuces (a bad habit of mine, to relax). $40 for a royal makes it... well, not quite a royal. No photo on that one.


STP BP 3L 25c... quad 4's, x5 multiplier.


JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.


Just a few minutes later... drew a royal.

JoB 100L 5c (no QQ) - RF, hand 5.

Sick.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
tringlomane
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May 15th, 2015 at 7:17:51 PM permalink
I've talked a few people into breaking flushes with four to a royal, but none have hit yet. Many players are hesitant to go for it or even miss noticing that it's four to a royal. The machine obviously alerts you that it's a flush as well.
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May 15th, 2015 at 7:20:02 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I've talked a few people into breaking flushes with four to a royal, but none have hit yet. Many players are hesitant to go for it or even miss noticing that it's four to a royal. The machine obviously alerts you that it's a flush as well.

just buy the hand out.
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Dieter
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May 16th, 2015 at 5:03:37 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

Quote: Dieter



JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.



Noooooooooooo!!!!

Def should've went for the 4 to a royal. Huge mistake.

Think of it this way. You have 1/47 chance to get a royal. With 100 shots you're expected to make about 2 royals. That's 8000 credits instead of 2500. And that's not even taking into account you make another flush again or a straight or a high pair.



Yes, I looked it up after the fact, and it says 4 to a royal is theoretically worth more.

I have no problems throwing a pair for 4 to a royal. (Hit for me last week, on an STP machine with a multiplier.)

Buying a game for $25, winning $125, and being offered the chance to trade for $0 to $20k with what felt like about a $480 probability but extremely high variance (that's gut feel numbers, someone else can crunch it out exactly)... unfortunately, I don't feel bad for choosing the lower variance, lower EV option.

Had it been an 10-J-Q-K,x flush (two high paying outs), it might have been different.

I would have felt worse about throwing a flush and only making a sprinkling of low paying hands. Of course, if you see me playing like this, offer me 62 coins a hand for the buyout plus the credits on the meter* and I'm pretty sure we can come to an agreement where you play it off and I walk away.




* - that'd be $566.75 in this case - $256.75 on the meter, plus $310 for the hand in play.
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May 16th, 2015 at 6:15:42 AM permalink
You gave up $331.9149 in EV by holding the flush instead of going for the royal flush.

Even if you only caught 1 royal (instead of the expected 2), you'd still have given up $131.
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May 16th, 2015 at 6:24:43 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: rudeboyoi

Quote: Dieter



JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.



Noooooooooooo!!!!

Def should've went for the 4 to a royal. Huge mistake.

Think of it this way. You have 1/47 chance to get a royal. With 100 shots you're expected to make about 2 royals. That's 8000 credits instead of 2500. And that's not even taking into account you make another flush again or a straight or a high pair.



Yes, I looked it up after the fact, and it says 4 to a royal is theoretically worth more.

I have no problems throwing a pair for 4 to a royal. (Hit for me last week, on an STP machine with a multiplier.)

Buying a game for $25, winning $125, and being offered the chance to trade for $0 to $20k with what felt like about a $480 probability but extremely high variance (that's gut feel numbers, someone else can crunch it out exactly)... unfortunately, I don't feel bad for choosing the lower variance, lower EV option.

Had it been an 10-J-Q-K,x flush (two high paying outs), it might have been different.

I would have felt worse about throwing a flush and only making a sprinkling of low paying hands. Of course, if you see me playing like this, offer me 62 coins a hand for the buyout plus the credits on the meter* and I'm pretty sure we can come to an agreement where you play it off and I walk away.




* - that'd be $566.75 in this case - $256.75 on the meter, plus $310 for the hand in play.

Your money your business, but I have a question why play VP if you're not going to play right? ESPECIALLY on a RF draw? Getting a RF, Isn't that the Idea of Video poker? Why play that high if the amount of a flush payoff is going to make you play bad. "I don't feel bad for choosing the lower variance, lower EV option." Why are you playing .05 100 play? perhaps lower variance but it's not low risk.

I assumed people on this forum played VP because they have better odds while making decisions. You should just play slots or keno you may have a better chance.
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May 16th, 2015 at 6:32:47 AM permalink
Quote: RS

You gave up $331.9149 in EV by holding the flush instead of going for the royal flush.

Even if you only caught 1 royal (instead of the expected 2), you'd still have given up $131.



Are you offering to buy my unwanted high variance opportunities in the future?
May the cards fall in your favor.
RS
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May 16th, 2015 at 6:46:20 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Are you offering to buy my unwanted high variance opportunities in the future?



I would have purchased this hand if I was with you, absolutely!!! Especially on 100-play!

And yes, I would love to buy your "high variance" plays in the future, assuming I get an edge from it and the variance isn't massive [and it's in person....or I get security in knowing you're not offering me a hand "after the fact" (idk if you'd do this or not, just saying)].

I know AxelWolf is interested in buying hands off of people (he's tried to buy my hand from me, before!).
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