Question about big win strategy
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After my request I did receive a pm from a well known vp player along with a recent big win picture. From what I've read he cannot post here or on some other forums, but he did send me quite the picture that shows a hold I guess only a vp player could love. My first question is how do I post a picture, and the when you see what was held, is that the mathematically correct hold for that game? When you see it you'll know what I mean. I asked Mr. Singer about it, and he explained there's only a few times he'd make such a hold, depending on some type of sought after goal etc. which I really do not understand. He was playing a game called triple double something or other in one of his strategies that I know is not popular here. He does make the other hold depending, and that seemed complicated too.
So please help me with the posting procedure and I'll put it up asap.
Thanks.
Quote: tournamentkingI asked Mr. Singer about it, .
'Mr.' Singer. lol. That's rich..
Quote: EvenBob'Mr.' Singer. lol. That's rich..
Why? I usually do id people I don't know with a Mr. or Ms. But can you help me put up the picture so the experts in vp here can reply?
If no one believed me before when I said you were full of ______ and you slot AP. this single comment has to be the nail in your coffin. CASE CLOSEDQuote: tournamentking. I asked Mr. Singer about it.
Quote: IbeatyouracesJust describe the dealt hand, what was held, then the results.
OK. Looking closely the game it's called Triple Double Bonus. I know you guys like to know the Full House & Flush paytable. It's 9 for the FH and 6 for the Flush. Dealt was XA333. He kept the A333, which seems very odd to me, but he did draw the fourth 3 in the first slot. It's a $25 machine so this win paid $50,000.
Did he somehow know that 3 was coming, because two chances to get four 3's seems a lot better than one.
Quote: AxelWolfIf no one believed me before when I said you were full of ______ and you slot AP. this single comment has to be the nail in your coffin. CASE CLOSED
Come on. He sent me something and I asked him about it. I didn't understand so I brought it up here.
Quote: tournamentkingOK. Looking closely the game it's called Triple Double Bonus. I know you guys like to know the Full House & Flush paytable. It's 9 for the FH and 6 for the Flush. Dealt was XA333. He kept the A333, which seems very odd to me, but he did draw the fourth 3 in the first slot. It's a $25 machine so this win paid $50,000.
Did he somehow know that 3 was coming, because two chances to get four 3's seems a lot better than one.
Look at the video poker game. Click on "MORE GAMES" and hit "NEXT" until you find "Triple Double Bonus." With XA333 holding the A333 could be the correct hold because the game pays more for four 3s with the A kicker. I'm too tired to attempt the math, but it looks like the right play.
I have no doubt he sent you something, I have a feeling you and him are 2 peas in a pod and share the same views on how machines work. The fact that you don't understand why being connected with RS or taking any advice from him is a colossal mistake, just shows me and others your knowledge of real AP.Quote: tournamentkingCome on. He sent me something and I asked him about it. I didn't understand so I brought it up here.
How do you guys have the stomach for these super volatile games?
I have no doubt he sent you something, I have a feeling you and him are 2 peas in a pod and share the same views on how machines work. The fact that you don't understand why being connected with RS or taking any advice from him is a colossal mistake, just shows me and others your knowledge of real AP.Quote: tournamentkingCome on. He sent me something and I asked him about it. I didn't understand so I brought it up here.
Quote: AxelWolfI have no doubt he sent you something, I have a feeling you and him are 2 peas in a pod and share the same views on how machines work. The fact that you don't understand why being connected with RS or taking any advice from him is a colossal mistake, just shows me and others your knowledge of real AP.
Look Axel, it was a legitimate question. You don't see what I do or how I do it as true ap play. I get it. But I do, and I've done OK with my study/study/study and take notes method. And this is the first time I had comms with RS, who I found was interested in helping even though he seems very complicated and deep. I simply was intrigued by that hold leading to such a huge win. I probably wouldn't have done it even though it appears to be the best hold.
Tad bit? Have you ever seen some of the changes he suggests people make?Quote: IbeatyouracesSinger is just going after a small "win goal" so he'll give up a tad bit of EV for the easier chance at quads.
RS is an absolute QUACK, LIAR, FRAUD, and a snake oil salesmen, this is not just an opinion of mine it is shared by 99% of the AP community. He makes a living off of NEWBIES and tinfoil hat people.Quote: tournamentkingLook Axel, it was a legitimate question. You don't see what I do or how I do it as true ap play. I get it. But I do, and I've done OK with my study/study/study and take notes method. And this is the first time I had comms with RS, who I found was interested in helping even though he seems very complicated and deep. I simply was intrigued by that hold leading to such a huge win. I probably wouldn't have done it even though it appears to be the best hold.
http://www.sharpsportsbetting.com/forums/free/general/index.cgi/noframes/read/4542
I believe Rob Singer claimed getting $600 in free play for $300 with only one rollover requirement could not be beaten.
They had a Promotion at the Westin years ago Where(from what i can remember) they gave $600 in free play for $300 i believe he claimed it was not +EV for the AP's and laughed at the idea the casino would lose money on this promotion. The casino lost over 250k in a short period of time.
If one were to follow his advice, they would lose way more then just a tad bit.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_awFzELqyLgQuote: IbeatyouracesYeah, and if they follow it, oh well. As I've said before, thoughts of him being a shill have crossed mine and others minds.
He holds a single ACE over a 4 flush I didn't run the EV on that hand, but that's just one example of many. He said he will toss out a 3 of a kind for 3 to a Royal on occasions. I don't really care what RS dose or how he plays, god bless him. I don't even feel sorry for people to follow his advice. My point of all this is, if you claim to be an AP of any kind, but are taking advice from someone like RS. Then I know dam well your not a real AP. that's like saying Varmenti is a professional Bac player.Quote: IbeatyouracesPlaying the games he plays, they'll lose anyway, just quicker. He doesn't play any +EV games nor does he use a players card, so he says. Hell, 98% of players that I watch play DDB don't hold two pair when one or both is a high pair, not including aces. I see more mistakes in VP then I do on anything else in a casino combined, bj being distant second.
I feel dirtier then a $10 crack whore just talking about him.Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't take his advice, that's for sure. He did provide many laughs a few years ago here though. That was +EV :-)
Ya and he is Banned from here and most reputable message boards.Quote: tournamentkingThat's quite a rundown. What I'm understanding from comments here and that video is how he gives up some expected value on holds in order to have a chance at a "session ending" quad or something similar. I assume that's not something vp ap's do. Also that "sharpshooter" thread was from 11 or 12 years ago? I didn't realize he posted here a few years ago either. But one question, he recently just hit a $50000 winner doing whatever he does (and my confusion focuses on how he DID make the correct play here?). Axel, If he's a quack, liar, fraud like you said, how is it he's still around and hitting these biggies still? Wouldn't he have busted out like teddys or something long ago? It doesn't add up. I guess I just don't know enough about vp players.
Any one can hit jackpots. If you play enough on $25 machines, you will hit big stuff, Big deal, I hit a slot at the Gold Coast for over 120k for a $3 bet, this means nothing, I was splitting with 4 people.
Where is the proof this $50000 happened? He can say anything, considering the fact that he is a known BS artist and has lost most of his credibility, I would want proof.
He claims to make millions and NOT pay taxes.
If this big hit claim is true
Perhaps he had some sucker put up money for him to play with and he got lucky. Perhaps he has people who buy his books, perhaps he has a good job and can afford to play this crap. for all I he scammed some little old lady out of her money, who knows.
He said he was going to provide proof he was a winning player with tax forms or casino statements to back up his claims. He has yet to do so.
Do me a favor don't trust what I'm saying about him. Do your own research. Ask Bob dancer what he thinks of RS system.
I won't spend a lot of time researching him. It isn't that important. Besides I get the feeling that there are some like you and others on his side of the fence. Arguments galore.
My single point was simply that if he was on the scene doing his vp thing so long ago and still is (and I have his win picture and his e-mail if you'd like to view them) then maybe you've been wrong. Who knows? I think I get it that he isn't an ap and you don't like that. You talk about him like he's a -ev destitute gambler with no hope. Tax forms to prove winning? Who does that, anybody here? My only real purpose with this was it sure is a sweet picture if you're any type of gambler, even though the hold seemed odd. Now I know.
A tax form may help prove HE was the one hitting it.Quote: tournamentkingI think you hate him a little more than you hate me. That's +ev.
I won't spend a lot of time researching him. It isn't that important. Besides I get the feeling that there are some like you and others on his side of the fence. Arguments galore.
My single point was simply that if he was on the scene doing his vp thing so long ago and still is (and I have his win picture and his e-mail if you'd like to view them) then maybe you've been wrong. Who knows? I think I get it that he isn't an ap and you don't like that. You talk about him like he's a -ev destitute gambler with no hope. Tax forms to prove winning? Who does that, anybody here? My only real purpose with this was it sure is a sweet picture if you're any type of gambler, even though the hold seemed odd. Now I know.
Not tax forms, tax returns or statements. If I claim I have a billion dollars and I'm using that as a selling point for some system, I would be willing to show proof and back up claims. How can you offer me some pics as proof? When I offered to show you proof of my claims, you went on about how things can be faked. I am not saying he did not hit what he claims I'm saying that's meaningless because we don't know the circumstances behind such claims. For all we know he offered some high roller money to jump in the seat and take a quick pic.
PS. I don't hate you. I just hate miss information or faults claims is all. If you go back and read the first conversation with you, I was interested in what you were saying, until I realized something was not adding up. I don't dislike RS for not being a real AP, THANK GOD HE IS NOT. last thing we need is more accurate information floating around on how to beat casinos.
Especially with Casino Fandango as a home casino. Pure OG!
Quote: AxelWolfA tax form may help prove HE was the one hitting it.
Not tax forms, tax returns or statements. If I claim I have a billion dollars and I'm using that as a selling point for some system, I would be willing to show proof and back up claims. How can you offer me some pics as proof? When I offered to show you proof of my claims, you went on about how things can be faked. I am not saying he did not hit what he claims I'm saying that's meaningless because we don't know the circumstances behind such claims. For all we know he offered some high roller money to jump in the seat and take a quick pic.
PS. I don't hate you. I just hate miss information or faults claims is all. If you go back and read the first conversation with you, I was interested in what you were saying, until I realized something was not adding up. I don't dislike RS for not being a real AP, THANK GOD HE IS NOT. last thing we need is more accurate information floating around on how to beat casinos.
I understand and thanks. I think you were the one who wasn't aware there were tournaments where 1st place won 8th best prize, 256th place won top prize, etc. It's called a Wild Card tourney. I'm probably not a slots ap in the same terms as you and others would describe it as, but to me I AM taking advantage of what's being presented in progressive and some other slots, and it's worked pretty good for me.
Remember, Singer was just responding to my and maybe the other poster's requests out of the blue. I wasn't buying and he wasn't selling anything. Any tax return can be faked so I agree, they'd only provide proof of a big hit. But geez, hanging around hi limit slot rooms to pay for pictures in case a junkie like me floats a request for big jackpot pictures? You seem reasonable, but that's not. Still, I can provide you or anyone else a copy of his e-mail to me with the attached picture, or if I could get information on how to post it I could do that.
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Kind of hesitant sharing this info as I have seen it out of control and most of us would need like a chip to keep the kids away.
If this is the sharing a big win thread, $100 isn't sharin' money.
Isn't it funny how everyone with bunk systems have a hard time remaining civilized?Quote: IbeatyouracesHis problem is that he can't act civilized.
