Would a casino ban you for winning? I think not?
If anyone has been banned for winning at a property not owned by Jackie or Michael Gaughan please share your story.
After all you are just getting lucky, even if you are a skilled shooter when playing craps. Nobody can win every time they pick-up the dice, but this is now the way Corporate America works. The pin head suits don't understand the game they are running.
They need winners at the tables some of the time, or nobody would play if they lost every time they walked into a casino. I've even seen one don't player get banned from playing, only because he was winning, and was way to greedy. They told him that he could no longer play craps in that casino, here was a guy that never picked up the dice.
If you want a great example of a casino sweating the money, just walk into The Tuscany Casino here in Vegas and start setting the dice and hitting a few points. It's like you are a criminal, the way they treat you. There are many casino in Vegas that will take the dice off you if you are setting the dice, and winning. It is common knowledge that The Tuscany Casino is a sweat joint if you are setting the dice, it just plain stupid on their part, most of the dice setters are losers, that might get lucky, just like anybody else!
They love to tell you if you miss the back wall with one die they are going to pass the dice to the next shooter. Well guess what if you then start hitting the back wall with a lot of force they tell you that you are hitting it to hard. Let's face a fact there are days that you can't do anything wrong, and then there are the days that you couldn't win even if you had a two-headed coin and was flipping it to win a bet, the damn thing would land on its side.
If you are in the casinos everyday you see all kinds of stupid things the casino will do when somebody is winning, to try to stop them from winning. I've seen them take the dice off a little old lady that was winning because she didn't hit the back wall every time with the dice. She was just picking up the dice shaking the dice and trying to throw them down the table. I've seen that kind of thing happen way to many times.
The house has the advantage, there is no need for some of the things they do. The problem is that you still have players that are willing to put up with bad playing conditions, most don't know that they are even getting treated badly.
There are suits that think that the money anybody is winning is their money, and they will do anything they can to stop a roll from happening, even banning the player or taking the dice off them!
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You do good brada ..!
superrick
Quote: superrickDid you ever think that casinos sweat the money, and yes they will ban you if you are winning every time you go into them. I only play craps, and was banned from a couple casinos and the dice taking off me numerous times. At times it's laughable. In the old days you could play on, if you were winning the casinos knew that they would get it back if you stayed around long enough. That is why they give you comp's!
After all you are just getting lucky, even if you are a skilled shooter when playing craps. Nobody can win every time they pick-up the dice, but this is now the way Corporate America works. The pin head suits don't understand the game they are running.
They need winners at the tables some of the time, or nobody would play if they lost every time they walked into a casino. I've even seen one don't player get banned from playing, only because he was winning, and was way to greedy. They told him that he could no longer play craps in that casino, here was a guy that never picked up the dice.
If you want a great example of a casino sweating the money, just walk into The Tuscany Casino here in Vegas and start setting the dice and hitting a few points. It's like you are a criminal, the way they treat you. There are many casino in Vegas that will take the dice off you if you are setting the dice, and winning. It is common knowledge that The Tuscany Casino is a sweat joint if you are setting the dice, it just plain stupid on their part, most of the dice setters are losers, that might get lucky, just like anybody else!
They love to tell you if you miss the back wall with one die they are going to pass the dice to the next shooter. Well guess what if you then start hitting the back wall with a lot of force they tell you that you are hitting it to hard. Let's face a fact there are days that you can't do anything wrong, and then there are the days that you couldn't win even if you had a two-headed coin and was flipping it to win a bet, the damn thing would land on its side.
If you are in the casinos everyday you see all kinds of stupid things the casino will do when somebody is winning, to try to stop them from winning. I've seen them take the dice off a little old lady that was winning because she didn't hit the back wall every time with the dice. She was just picking up the dice shaking the dice and trying to throw them down the table. I've seen that kind of thing happen way to many times.
The house has the advantage, there is no need for some of the things they do. The problem is that you still have players that are willing to put up with bad playing conditions, most don't know that they are even getting treated badly.
There are suits that think that the money anybody is winning is their money, and they will do anything they can to stop a roll from happening, even banning the player or taking the dice off them!
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Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
I've never met anyone who wins every time they go to a casino.
When you were banned from those couple of casinos how was it done? Were you given a reason? Was it in writing? Were you asked for identification and photographed? Did they pull your comps? Were you escorted off the property? That's what "banned from a couple of casinos" means to me. Was this a lifetime ban?
You say that in the old days you could play on because the casinos would get their money back. How is that different today?
Quote: 1BBYou say that in the old days you could play on because the casinos would get their money back. How is that different today?
That's too easy. It is simply that today's generation, exemplified even by some of the posters here, are brighter, more talented and more skillful than anyone before them. And probably after, too.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThat's too easy. It is simply that today's generation, exemplified even by some of the posters here, are brighter, more talented
Thats actually true. A few of the pro's that
Munchkin interviewed in his book said that
what took them 10 years to learn 30 years
ago, can now be learned on a computer in
about 6 months. The skill level has gone up
in players, but the casino detection level has
gone up too.
The point applies there, too. Many casinos (incorrectly) sweat the money not the perceived skill. It's more a problem of superstition and ignorance than anything. There was a scene in the TV show "Las Vegas" where a whale had come in and was burning up a roulette table on a hot streak. One member of management directed another member to back him off for "being too hot," while the other member (sorry, I can't remember who played which role in this episode) correctly argued that he would likely lose it all back if he kept playing (and if not, who cares — the casino has the edge every time the wheel spins). Ultimately the whale was backed off and went on to lose all his money at a neighboring casino. As ridiculous as this story sounds, there are plenty of people in casino management that think in such a short-sighted manner.Quote: 1BBI've seen that as well. The posters I referred to claim to have been banned for winning at games other than blackjack.
Quote: EvenBobThe skill level has gone up
in players, but the casino detection level has
gone up too.
How do the "experts" measure those factors to be able to come up with such declarative statements?
Quote: SanchoPanzaHow do the "experts" measure those factors to be able to come up with such declarative statements?
So much for the efficacy of the vaunted anonymous "pros."
