WizardofAus
WizardofAus
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December 27th, 2011 at 3:44:04 PM permalink
I know from all I've read that any roulette system will not win over a billion hands or over the test of time!


But can any roulette strategy win over a human being's average working lifetime - part-time of course (because if you were to do it full-time, it's just another job, right? Make it simple...50 years, 20 hours a week(5x4hr sessions), approximately 30 spins an hour = approximately 1.5 million spins? Can someone play part-time for a living with a system that earns $50 an hour? That's $1k clear per week. It might not be enough fir some but for the 
majority if you told them that they could earn $1k a week clear working 20 hrs part-time a week  they'd be in. Is it possible on a B & M roulette table?

For those who think $1k a week is not enough, how about $3k?!!! Read on....

I know of a lot of people who supposedly gamble for a living but a poker mate of mine who's very well off due to his poker and gambling 'career' invited me to study some of his systems for a roulette table available at a local casino in Australia. I'm assuming it would be available at many casinos around the world as well. It's a computerized roulette set-up that supports about 50 seated players. It's built by a company called Vegas Star. 

The interesting features make it different to the B & M and online roulette tables:

- virtual dealer that produces a spin every 40 seconds , it gives you 15 secs to make a bet but with the spinning process, the total time from one spin to the next is about 40 secs. So about 100 spins an hour. (So instead of 20 hours a week Can find the same online but at least 3 times as fast as B&M tables. 
- Minimum table bet is only $2.50, max is $1,000,000!!! The only thing is the maximum on straight bets is $100 and $500 on everything else. One interesting thing is you can bet a minimum bet of 50cents on a straight up and put the remaining required on black and red, i.e. 50c on a number and then $1 on red & $1 on black to cover the table minimum.
- the thing that makes it different to online is that there are up to 50 real people playing at your table at once and it feels real that a computer is not shafting you with their supposed RNG that's not supposed to be "influenced by a players bets". You all know what I mean. And of course the limits as mentioned above. 

So is there a way either in a B & M or with the above virtual to make $50 an hour with a tiny chance of losing. Say one in every 13,000 sessions which is how many you'd play in the 50 years???

And my friend's strategy:

I know this will get ripped, I already told him about the long-term but he's shown a $90 p/hr profit over 30 sessions without a losing session. 

Initial bankroll $3431. 

A 150 spin progression model for a single number straight up bet that earns a minimum of $1 a spin. 

The sequence below shows:
Single bet/total acc bets /return /profit. 

1/1/36/35
1/2/36/34
1/3/36/33
1/4/36/32
1/5/36/31
1/6/36/30
1/7/36/29
1/8/36/28
1/9/36/27
1/10/36/26.............10
1/11/36/25
1/12/36/24
1/13/36/23
1/14/36/22
1/15/36/21..............15
1/16/36/20
1/17/36/19
1/18/36/18
2/20/72/52
2/22/72/50...............20
2/24/72/48
2/26/72/46
2/28/72/44
2/30/72/42
2/32/72/40................25
2/34/72/38
2/36/72/36
2/38/72/34
2/40/72/32
2/42/72/30
3/45/108/63................31
3/48/108/60
3/51/108/57
3/54/108/54
3/57/108/51................35
3/60/108/48
3/63/108/45
3/66/108/42
3/69/108/39................39
4/73/144/71
4/77/144/67
4/81/144/63
4/85/144/59
4/89/144/55
4/93/144/51...............45
4/97/144/47
5/102/180/78..............47
5/107/180/73
5/112/180/68
5/117/180/63
5/122/180/58
5/127/180/53..........52
6/133/216/83
6/139/216/77
6/145/216/71
6/151/216/65
6/157/216/59............57
7/164/252/88
7/171/252/81
7/178/252/74
7/185/252/67.............61
8/193/288/95
8/201/288/87
8/209/288/79
8/217/288/71..............65
9/226/324/98
9/235/324/89
9/244/324/80
9/253/324/71................69
10/263/360/97
10/273/360/87
10/283/360/77............72
11/294/396/102
11/305/396/91
11/316/396/80............75
12/328/432/104
12/340/432/92
12/352/432/80
13/365/468/103
13/378/468/90...........80
14/392/504/112
14/406/504/98
14/420/504/84
15/435/540/105
15/450/540/90............85
16/466/576/110
16/482/576/94
17/499/612/113
17/516/612/96
18/534/648/114..........90
18/552/648/96
19/571/684/113
19/590/684/94
20/610/720/110
21/631/756/125..........95
21/652/756/104
22/674/792/118
23/697/828/131
23/720/828/108
24/744/864/120...........100
25/769/900/131
26/795/936/141
26/821/936/115
27/848/972/124
28/876/1008/132............105
29/905/1044/139
30/935/1080/145
31/966/1116/150
31/997/1116/119
32/1029/1152/123.........110
33/1062/1188/126
34/1096/1224/128
35/1131/1260/129
36/1167/1296/129
37/1204/1332/128.........115
38/1242/1368/126
40/1284/1440/156
41/1325/1476/161
42/1367/1512/145
43/1410/1548/138..........120
45/1455/1620/165
46/1501/1656/155
47/1548/1692/144
49/1597/1764/167
50/1647/1800/153...........125
52/1699/1872/173
53/1752/1908/156
55/1807/1980/173
56/1863/2016/153
57/1899/2052/153...........130
58/1957/2088/131
60/2017/2160/143
62/2079/2232/153
63/2142/2268/126
65/2207/2340/133...........135
67/2274/2412/138
69/2343/2484/137
71/2414/2556/142
73/2487/2628/141
75/2552/2700/148...........140
77/2629/2772/143
79/2708/2844/136
82/2790/2952/162
84/2874/3024/152
87/2961/3132/171.........145
89/3050/3204/154
92/3142/3312/170
94/3234/3384/150
97/3331/3492/161
100/3431/3600/169..........150


The betting strategy is quite unique and semi-easy to follow. He writes down the last 10 numbers as a basepoint column on a table that has 10 rows and over 100 columns. He then continues to write in numbers after every second column. He tracks the base points numbers and marks in every second column which numbers have NOT repeated within the next ten spins. The tables end looking like this. 

12    17   x    5      x
36    33   x    3      x
4      9     x    20    x
1      2     x    21    x
10    10         30    x
10    3           31
8      20   x    36 
7      6     x    1      x
10    21         22 
24    32   x    30    x

Hope you understand the marking process. An example for the first row. The 1st number is 12, it does not show up again for the next 10 numbers so it get an x after the number 17  on the next column as by that time that is the 10th spin that 12 has not shown up again. So on, so on. 

The strategy needs a bit of time though. My mate waits until there have been 8 x's in a row in one particular row, meaning that there has been 80 spins where 8 different numbers have not shown up again in their corresponding following 10 spins. He then starts the progression betting strategy. 

He states the highest he has seen in his progression model is a streak of 144 losses over 30 sessions. That means he has only bet his 64th bet in his progression betting structure. I.e the $8 bet where he made a progression profit of $79. He still has a buffer of another 86 spins after this!!!

He explains to me that he cannot do it at other tables at the casino since the minimum bet is $2.5 per straight up bet and the maximum is still $100. And the big one, time, it would take him around 100 spins before he ever starts betting one of the rows that have reach 8 x's so on a B & M table it would take him about 3 hours before he even starts betting. On these virtual tables it's within an hour sometime even with 45 mins because there are already 22 numbers per-recorded on the screen when he arrives at the table. So only needs wait for another 70-80 spins normally for one of the rows to register 8 x's. 

Would anyone know the odds of this strategy failing? Because I've told him it will eventually fail but it's tough to explain to him after he has won 30 straight four hour sessions for a net $12k profit and having 84 spins still as a buffer behind his longest streak. 

I've tried it myself with only $500 bankroll and doubling the amounts of each bet (reduces the number i
Of bets I can make only around 70 from the 150 that my mate has patience for but doubles my hourly) I've won 2 sessions so far for a net profit of $1600 from only $500 bankroll!!!

BTW-It's a single zero table!

So what's the odds of my mate losing his 230 spin progression? That's 80 that he waits and 150 that he bets? 
Is it 36/37 to the power of 230??? That means he will lose 1 in every 545 progressions. That can't be right can it?

What's the odds of me losing my $500 before the end of my session? Do I have a better than 40% chance of lasting? If so then I would show a profit right? Winning sessions & 6 losing sessions would show a profit of $200. 

Anyways...thanks in advance for any replies. 
AZDuffman
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December 27th, 2011 at 4:04:25 PM permalink
You cannot do it. "Short-term" you do not know if you are on the up or down end of the long term. Not that it matters, because every bet is independent.

Bet $1,000 on a rouloette spin and you can expect to end up with about $950 after that spin, on average. When you figure how to make a living on that, tell nobody. Just hit the casino and live the easiest life ever.

Reminds me of the scene in "Money Never Sleeps" where the guy tells his protege, "so he said don't worry about the losses, I lade more on the losses than I did on the profit--how do you make money on losses??"
Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing
WizardofAus
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December 27th, 2011 at 4:12:16 PM permalink
AZ-I'm new to this website forum but I've read all the wizard has written. Even he says you can win in the short-term. But you are probably right about the career period. This will not make it even close. My friends stats are impressive though. I would love to know the stats/probabilities as my Math's isn't as great as most in here. I dropped out of actuary school after the first year :)
AZDuffman
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December 27th, 2011 at 5:05:15 PM permalink
Quote: WizardofAus

AZ-I'm new to this website forum but I've read all the wizard has written. Even he says you can win in the short-term. But you are probably right about the career period. This will not make it even close. My friends stats are impressive though. I would love to know the stats/probabilities as my Math's isn't as great as most in here. I dropped out of actuary school after the first year :)



Well, you can win any non-rigged game in the short-term. I didn't even make it past Algebra II. But the biggest mistake in casinos is thinking in trends and not realizing every event is independent (except shoe-dealt BJ to an extent.)

Welcome to the board, BTW!
Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing
EvenBob
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December 27th, 2011 at 6:23:01 PM permalink
He'll eventually hit a brick wall where he loses all his profits
plus most of his BR. You can't trick the house edge with a
progression. The only way you can win consistantly is to have
the edge over the casino. This method doesn't have it.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
FleaStiff
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December 27th, 2011 at 11:04:25 PM permalink
Try running a simulation of the exact opposite of his system.
WizardofAus
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December 28th, 2011 at 9:01:33 PM permalink
Is there a software I can download to do a simulation?

Does anyone know the maths/probability of the above?

Cheers.
7craps
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December 28th, 2011 at 9:45:57 PM permalink
Quote: WizardofAus

Is there a software I can download to do a simulation?

Does anyone know the maths/probability of the above?

Cheers.

Yep.
Try Roulette Xtreme software.

Roulette Xtreme
Shareware for 30 days and I think about $30 to register.
You can program any method you can think of, after learning the program's language, and solve this for yourself.
They offer many free examples and a pdf for learning how to program.

It took me a few weeks to get good at and is now very easy to use. A small learning curve but a good program if you want to run sims for Roulette.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
WizardofAus
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December 28th, 2011 at 11:43:01 PM permalink
Thanks 7craps.

Much appreciated.
dwheatley
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December 29th, 2011 at 6:05:37 AM permalink
All the tracking of numbers is irrelevant. You can track numbers you think are due until you are blue in the face, the little ball has no memory.

What matters for this system is it appears you are betting up to 100 times on a single number result. On a 0 wheel, you will lose each spin with probability 0.972972973. You will lose 100 times in a row with probability 0.064576971.

6.5% chance of busting on 3431 unit bankroll, each time you start a new progression.

If you like having money, don't do it.
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it

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