Roulette System (mathematics/wheel bias based)
November 6th, 2011 at 2:10:13 AM
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This is just one of my ideas: if anyone has enough time and patience to search and notice and take statistics looking to find biased roulette weels why they would have to go to a real casino from a 3rd world country or to make a team for taking this statistics (be sure that all these efforts will cost you time and money) when they can simply stay in the comfort of their chair from their home, tracking number by themselves from Live Dealer Online Casinos ? (at least this cost you nothing but time)
November 6th, 2011 at 3:55:26 AM
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Can you verify that the live dealers are on the same wheel such as by background images?
November 6th, 2011 at 4:01:54 AM
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Sudden thought while slurping morning coffee:
release the little white ball via a burst of air so launches are identical, note how far apart the balls come to rest....
then repeat for grimy wheels, dusty wheels, etc. and see if there really is anything amiss. Major factors are gravity and friction with a few frets thrown in.
The data might also help you decide how "biased" a wheel might appear to be but still be perfectly fine.
(I swear folks it really was coffee, not gin)!
release the little white ball via a burst of air so launches are identical, note how far apart the balls come to rest....
then repeat for grimy wheels, dusty wheels, etc. and see if there really is anything amiss. Major factors are gravity and friction with a few frets thrown in.
The data might also help you decide how "biased" a wheel might appear to be but still be perfectly fine.
(I swear folks it really was coffee, not gin)!
November 6th, 2011 at 6:44:11 PM
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I'm not even sure why this thread is up for debate. Bias wheel play has been done, it's proven it can be done, and it still could be done.
November 6th, 2011 at 7:23:08 PM
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Quote: MarieBicurieI'm not even sure why this thread is up for debate. Bias wheel play has been done, it's proven it can be done, and it still could be done.
Who do you think knows more about bias wheel
play, the people who do it, or the engineers designing
new wheels to defeat bias. My money's on the
engineers.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 6th, 2011 at 8:31:43 PM
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Yes, but the bias would have to currently exist. Based on wheel engineering practices of today. I'm sure almost any wheel that you find in a museum would be biased even if at the time of its manufacture it was of the highest quality materials and workmanship. The question is what workmanship goes into a wheel to be found in a modern casino.Quote: MarieBicurieI'm not even sure why this thread is up for debate. Bias wheel play has been done, it's proven it can be done, and it still could be done.
November 7th, 2011 at 12:38:49 AM
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Yes, the workmanship in today's technological age is truly amazing. I've never had a car breakdown, I've never had a computer or TV breakdown, I don't think I have ever seen something as simple as a chair break even once in my life. How silly of me to doubt the engineers of all things. I retract my previous statement.
November 7th, 2011 at 2:49:00 AM
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Your experiences have been rather amazing. With luck like that, I most definitely would suggest a visit to a casino. And while there, perhaps you could collect data on wheels that are currently being used in the casino. All the data I've seen on biased roulette wheels is decades-old historical data from foreign casinos. I don't even know if the casinos still exist but i certainly doubt that those decades-old roulette wheels currently exist and if they do I would most certainly want recent data on any biased numbers.
November 7th, 2011 at 3:16:10 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffI would most certainly want recent data on any biased numbers.
If I ran a casino I would be all over this with various solutions to make this old strategy too hard. Then again, there are probably some casinos somewhere ...
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 1st, 2012 at 6:46:30 PM
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Quote: EvenBobWho do you think knows more about bias wheel
play, the people who do it, or the engineers designing
new wheels to defeat bias. My money's on the
engineers.
BAM !! Out of the park. Not to mention, on some (so I hear) there is software that if a bias starts to show on a certain section over 'X' number of spins, some kind of an alert goes out (blah blah blah)......and the 'bias' is checked (early in the am) and is CORRECTED if need be. There is NO WAY, the casino is not gonna monitor the wheels and do NOTHING about a 'bias'. The best part, the bias player (cough) comes back around noon and starts betting heavily on that section. (LMAO)
I would love to be there as he is walking back out to his car with his head hung low!!
Ken
January 1st, 2012 at 7:49:56 PM
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Keyser Stated: "My point is system players that are drunk tend to forget their losses, while remembering their wins".
Quote: mrjjjSo when that 'drunk' gets sober, are you saying he will NOT remember the losses and ONLY remember if he won (net) the night before? Is that what you're selling? Come on man, I expect more from you.
STILL WAITING Keyser.....
April 24th, 2012 at 2:55:11 PM
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EVENBOB wrote:
Quote: MarieBicurie
I'm not even sure why this thread is up for debate. Bias wheel play has been done, it's proven it can be done, and it still could be done.
Who do you think knows more about bias wheel
play, the people who do it, or the engineers designing
new wheels to defeat bias. My money's on the
engineers.
Nobody but bias players know every wheel defect detail.
Quote: MarieBicurie
I'm not even sure why this thread is up for debate. Bias wheel play has been done, it's proven it can be done, and it still could be done.
Who do you think knows more about bias wheel
play, the people who do it, or the engineers designing
new wheels to defeat bias. My money's on the
engineers.
Nobody but bias players know every wheel defect detail.
April 24th, 2012 at 3:29:05 PM
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the roulette thread...
it. is. ALIVE...
yes biased wheels exist but if a team of observers can figure that out so can the owner of the wheel.
that little computer that flashes roulette results for the last 20 or so spins can also analyze if there is bias in the wheel.
casinos routinely maintain, adjust, and redistribute the wheels.
it. is. ALIVE...
yes biased wheels exist but if a team of observers can figure that out so can the owner of the wheel.
that little computer that flashes roulette results for the last 20 or so spins can also analyze if there is bias in the wheel.
casinos routinely maintain, adjust, and redistribute the wheels.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 24th, 2012 at 3:35:36 PM
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Quote: ybot
Who do you think knows more about bias wheel
play, the people who do it, or the engineers designing
new wheels to defeat bias. My money's on the
engineers.
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Thats true now, but up till a few years ago it wasn't.
Now bias wheel players scramble all over the country,
especially to newly opened casinos, where they hope
a mistake in setting up a wheel was made. They're
desperate since the wheel designers have gotten
smarter than they are.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 24th, 2012 at 7:06:23 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThats true now, but up till a few years ago it wasn't.
Now bias wheel players scramble all over the country,
especially to newly opened casinos, where they hope
a mistake in setting up a wheel was made. They're
desperate since the wheel designers have gotten
smarter than they are.
Most Casinos realise that some wheel have "problems" when they notice people winning more often on certain wheel.
