What happened here Mike

Old member here a few might remember. Originally joined in 2010 as one of the originals when we were all friends and much younger. I stopped posting around the sale and haven’t been here visiting since 2019. I don’t have my password so I started a new account, against the rules I know so arrest me. I was recently talking to another member here on a play and he ended up bringing this place up and he said I wouldn’t believe what happened to it so here I am.

We all are older and some have probably passed but almost everyone I knew is gone and those left seem to have stopped discussing anything meaningful about gambling and AP. I was warned that math was no longer discussed here and mathematically impossible claims are allowed and even celebrated when years ago they were ridiculed. The exact opposite of what the site was in the old days when we argued at times but were all helping each other. Did Mike lose interest in the place or did the new owners want to go in a different direction?

I won’t be hanging out here but he was correct, it’s nothing like it was. I do hope everyone is well especially Mike and his family. I’m still doing some AP stuff with promotions and still playing craps as my hobby as my health allows. Those damn cigarettes weren’t a great idea in hindsight.

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You haven't been banned enough times?

Something, something, something, craps, Rule of 1980, something, Goatcabin, something, chaos. Just like it always was but with different triggers now. Most of the members have a different take elsewhere where no monitoring exists to speak of. I won't be posting there.

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Old member here a few might remember. Originally joined in 2010 as one of the originals when we were all friends and much younger. I stopped posting around the sale and haven’t been here visiting since 2019. I don’t have my password so I started a new account, against the rules I know so arrest me. I was recently talking to another member here on a play and he ended up bringing this place up and he said I wouldn’t believe what happened to it so here I am.

We all are older and some have probably passed but almost everyone I knew is gone and those left seem to have stopped discussing anything meaningful about gambling and AP. I was warned that math was no longer discussed here and mathematically impossible claims are allowed and even celebrated when years ago they were ridiculed. The exact opposite of what the site was in the old days when we argued at times but were all helping each other. Did Mike lose interest in the place or did the new owners want to go in a different direction?

I won’t be hanging out here but he was correct, it’s nothing like it was. I do hope everyone is well especially Mike and his family. I’m still doing some AP stuff with promotions and still playing craps as my hobby as my health allows. Those damn cigarettes weren’t a great idea in hindsight.
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The Wizard is a believer
He has stated mutiple times that he is offended when not believed on the internet
I kid you not
An internet anonymous forum is a place where anybody can be whatever they want
I don't believe Jack on an internet forum
That's just common sense
The Wizard finds that offensive and suspends due to that common sense
Common sense is no longer allowed in this forum
The Wizard believes everybody on an internet forum
It's so bad here, the Wizard is actually offended when anybody challenges the honesty of Bac players that state that they win consistently at a negative game

It's a forum that no longer supports math
I prefer Reddit

I like to try to understand high rollers (a billionaire Governor) that can win $1.4 million on a vacation in Vegas playing Black Jack. MDawg is the closest one we've got to that, but he plays Baccarat. Meanwhile, I'm losing more than ten 20 bet buy-ins in a row on BJ on the home game, seems rigged.

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I like to try to understand high rollers (a billionaire Governor) that can win $1.4 million on a vacation in Vegas playing Black Jack. MDawg is the closest one we've got to that, but he plays Baccarat. Meanwhile, I'm losing more than ten 20 bet buy-ins in a row on BJ on the home game, seems rigged.
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Well he said it was blackjack. But there's no documentation of that on tax forms.

Perhaps it was the high stakes cash poker game he was in, against a handful of big contractors from Illinois bidding on projects, who for some inexplicable reason all went all in against his nut flush.

MAKE WOV GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

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I like to try to understand high rollers (a billionaire Governor) that can win $1.4 million on a vacation in Vegas playing Black Jack. MDawg is the closest one we've got to that, but he plays Baccarat. Meanwhile, I'm losing more than ten 20 bet buy-ins in a row on BJ on the home game, seems rigged.
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The guy is worth nearly 4 billion dollars. He is the heir to the Hyatt fortune.

When you are that rich and you want to feel like you are playing for something thrilling betting $50 a hand is a joke.

He was probably betting huge. Like a hundred grand a hand and hit a good run.

Also remember at those levels they probably gave him excellent rules and loss rebates.

this initial guy's use of the word impossible irked me

I think MDawg mentioned the limit is $25K per hand, but you can have up to 3 hands per deal on BJ. Baccarat has higher limits. Did MDawg just mention he was putting down $200K bets on no commission baccarat?

Winning $1.4 million at $25K/bet on single player BJ means winning at least 56 bets ahead. It's possible with a few lucky shoes. Multiply by 3 player-hands, it's only about 19 Dealer busts ahead which seems more likely. A $2 million buy-in might be required to stay in the game.

Seems casinos tend to have their most famous bans coming from people who won 8 figures in one night.

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I think MDawg mentioned the limit is $25K per hand, but you can have up to 3 hands per deal on BJ. Baccarat has higher limits. Did MDawg just mention he was putting down $200K bets on no commission baccarat?

Winning $1.4 million at $25K/bet on single player BJ means winning at least 56 bets ahead. It's possible with a few lucky shoes. Multiply by 3 player-hands, it's only about 19 Dealer busts ahead which seems more likely. A $2 million buy-in might be required to stay in the game.

Seems casinos tend to have their most famous bans coming from people who won 8 figures in one night.
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That may be the standard limit but when a billionaire says he wants to play for higher stakes they aren't going to say no. MDawg isn't billionaire class (at least I don't believe he is). Compared to this guy MDawg is small potatoes.

$25K has been the special limit no matter how high the credit line / front money deposit per hand for blackjack. That's why you see degenerates like Adin Ross play at online casinos like Stake which accommodate higher limits on Blackjack. It is possible that lately Vegas has allowed as much as $40K or maybe even $50K on a hand of blackjack special limits but that would be it - I will inquire to find out. My limit is $25K.

At Baccarat special limits of up to $500K per hand are allowed.

Dana White is one of the biggest most consistent gamblers in Vegas these days, and even he with a net worth of around $500M cannot bet more than $400K per hand at Baccarat. Part of the reason he switched to Baccarat is because they weren't letting him bet much at Blackjack. He was allowed $25K per hand for a while at Palms, but after he won a couple million (I don't believe it was in one session) they cut him back to a $5000. max, and eventually banned him. (That's Palms, anyplace else would have most likely just left him alone and welcomed the ongoing heavy action.)

Why no Vegas casino lets Dana White bet a million a hand
Casinos in Las Vegas refuse to take a million-dollar wager from him, or from anyone, for that matter.

There is an exponential curve of ever increasing credit lines or front money deposits required to get to that $500K special limit. To get to bet $30K a hand at Baccarat (where the stated limit is $25K) requires just a quarter million line, while to bet $500K per a hand might require at least $20M.

And in general, credit lines are what get the highest special limits because the casinos know these represent consistent action, while a front money deposit might be just for one trip.

So I turn a $150K buy-in into $450K for a $300K profit and use $200K of that for the next session's buy-in, I'll have $250K to get a cashier check to put down as front money to bump up my top bet from $25K to $30K.

Win a 2nd session in a row and turn a $200K buy-in into $600K and use $300K of that for the next buy-in. I'll have an additional $300K for front money in checks for a total of $550K to bump up my top bet to $60K.

Win a 3rd session in a row and turn a $300K buy-in into $900K and use $600K of that for the next buy-in. I'll have an additional $300K for front money in checks for a total of $850K to bump up the top bet to $90K,

Win a 4th session in a row and turn a $600K buy-in into $1.8M and use $1M of that for the next buy-in. I'll have an additional $800K for front money in checks for a total of $1.65M to bump up the top bet to $180K.

I might get behind on the exponential curve and I'll have to repeat some sessions until I can raise my top bet to a level needed for the next session. I'm only trying to win ahead around 15+ hands per session. I'd have to take a check back from the front money if I lost a session for the next buy-in at a lower level.

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The Wizard is a believer
He has stated mutiple times that he is offended when not believed on the internet
I kid you not
An internet anonymous forum is a place where anybody can be whatever they want
I don't believe Jack on an internet forum
That's just common sense
The Wizard finds that offensive and suspends due to that common sense
Common sense is no longer allowed in this forum
The Wizard believes everybody on an internet forum
It's so bad here, the Wizard is actually offended when anybody challenges the honesty of Bac players that state that they win consistently at a negative game

It's a forum that no longer supports math
I prefer Reddit
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Personal insult/trolling. Per the Martingale policy, six months.

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I don’t have my password so I started a new account, against the rules I know so arrest me.
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Sock puppetry. Nuke.

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Quote: terapined

The Wizard is a believer
He has stated mutiple times that he is offended when not believed on the internet
I kid you not
An internet anonymous forum is a place where anybody can be whatever they want
I don't believe Jack on an internet forum
That's just common sense
The Wizard finds that offensive and suspends due to that common sense
Common sense is no longer allowed in this forum
The Wizard believes everybody on an internet forum
It's so bad here, the Wizard is actually offended when anybody challenges the honesty of Bac players that state that they win consistently at a negative game

It's a forum that no longer supports math
I prefer Reddit
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Personal insult/trolling. Per the Martingale policy, six months.
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I was going to comment on that post but I figured why bother, Mike's going to see it and we all know what's going to happen. Lol

Hell, I will comment! Thinking Reddit is the place to go to talk about gambling math is a hoot! For the most part the gambling posts are players posting their 'big wins' with few exceptions. And there's zero gambling math, with no exceptions!

As for Mike being gullible ... this stupid claim is just sour grapes for not being able to call someone out without breaking forum rules

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MAKE WOV GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Las Vegas and the casino industry have done some changing over the last 15 years. I expect the conversations won't be the same as they were.

The math still works, but most of the math problems have been done. Unless someone finds a new sidebet, or a new commission free baccarat variant, or a new 7-zero roulette placement, there isn't a lot of math to talk about.

There are reasons not to talk about exciting new card counting systems or AP slot math on a publicly visible forum. Security through obscurity simply isn't viable when search engines (and probably AI chatters) index every post.

From what I'm hearing, the poker scene has cooled off considerably. There aren't a lot of new markets where online sportsbooks are opening.

Sorry that the parts of the world we discuss here aren't terribly interesting at the moment. I kind of miss it too.

I'm reminded of the guy who killed his parents and then wanted sympathy because he was now an only child.

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the poker scene
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Bellagio had a few high limit poker tables in their Club Prive (open to the public), but whenever I had passed through I did not see anyone playing. They were replaced with blackjack tables recently.

Caesars Vegas has a poker room now in their Palace Tower wing. It's not very big, about the size of the one at Caesar's Republic Tahoe.

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I'm reminded of the guy who killed his parents and then wanted sympathy because he was now an only child.
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I don't think any of the kibbitzing here is going to get rid of triple zero, 6 to 5, the REIT's, or bring back buffets.

Casino operators bet heavily on those. I don't mind seeing them lose their bets.

I was an only child until my kid sister was born. It was OK.

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The math still works, but most of the math problems have been done. ]

This has to be the dumbest ever comment posted on here. I mean really, "math is over" as an excuse for your site being shit?

The truth is fairly obvious, most of the good posters here were scared off by the site's heavy-handed and incompetent moderation. There literally hasn't been an interesting post here in months.

The site is dead go somewhere else.
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You have been repeatedly banned.

That said, you raise a point that I feel is worth addressing. If anyone feels I'm out of line to address a post from a banned user in contravention of the rules, file a complaint with Wizard, gordonm888, or myself... I'll take my suspension.

The discussion forum is meant to focus on Vegas, math, and gambling. I contend that most of the math has already been done. We're not likely to find some new twist that entirely revises blackjack basic strategy; the math is done, it is verified. Further discussion doesn't make sense.

Why rehash old news? Until a new game comes out, there aren't new math problems to discuss.

If the site is in fact dead, you should go somewhere else.

I'm closing this thread. To those who aren't happy here, let me offer a radical suggestion -- go elsewhere.