Cancellation betting system question
January 8th, 2025 at 4:01:09 PM
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Hi,
I've seen the probability of losing table on WOO websites here wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/cancellation/ but it is based on 2 zeros roullette
1) do we have similar table for 1 and 3 zeros games?
2) I wanna check if which of the 2 following strategy will give better odds
risk $200 for $20 profits target (i,e. risk 100 units for 10 units win where 1 unit = $2)
risk $100 for $10 profits target, but play on 2 seperate roullette tables simultaneously
Assuming we stop either when we reach target or lose all
thanks all
I've seen the probability of losing table on WOO websites here wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/cancellation/ but it is based on 2 zeros roullette
1) do we have similar table for 1 and 3 zeros games?
2) I wanna check if which of the 2 following strategy will give better odds
risk $200 for $20 profits target (i,e. risk 100 units for 10 units win where 1 unit = $2)
risk $100 for $10 profits target, but play on 2 seperate roullette tables simultaneously
Assuming we stop either when we reach target or lose all
thanks all
January 8th, 2025 at 4:11:59 PM
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No betting strategy changes the house edge.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
January 8th, 2025 at 8:39:38 PM
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You mean to say system.Quote: billryanNo betting strategy changes the house edge.
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January 8th, 2025 at 11:42:39 PM
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The "cancellation" system is the same thing as the Labouchère system.
WOO has the data you seek for Single Zero, Double Zero, Craps. Pass/Don't Pass, and Baccarat Player on the page.
/gambling/labouchere/
WOO has the data you seek for Single Zero, Double Zero, Craps. Pass/Don't Pass, and Baccarat Player on the page.
/gambling/labouchere/
Jack Hayes
January 9th, 2025 at 7:56:32 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou mean to say system.Quote: billryanNo betting strategy changes the house edge.
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I meant method.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
January 9th, 2025 at 10:47:03 AM
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The words don't matter, at least in this case. No system, method, betting strategy or any other way of playing changes the house edge one bit.
So the original question is moot as everyone agrees. Matters of bankroll management are a different thing - they can affect how long your bankroll lasts or how likely you will reach some goal, but not the long term house edge.
While the above is strictly always true, there is one sense in which roulette offers a way to conceptually increase the house edge (but never decrease it). Because roulette allows the player to place multiple bets at the same time, subject to the same rolls, it IS possible to make "dumb" bets that undermine the house edge. The classic example is betting an equal amount on both red and black on every roll. The result would be that you would never win a (combined) "bet", but you'd occasionally lose both. Across all betting, the house edge would remain unchanged, but obviously if you bet that way you would only lose and never win (I'm sure you'd get plenty of free drinks though!), so it would be fair to view that as a way to increase the house edge to 100% by creating the hybrid (red and black or odd and even) "bet", And you could use other varying degrees of hedging to achieve anything between the true house edge and 100% if you were so inclined (or just careless). But that fact should in no way be confused with any possibility to use a betting method/strategy/system to increase your odds.
So the original question is moot as everyone agrees. Matters of bankroll management are a different thing - they can affect how long your bankroll lasts or how likely you will reach some goal, but not the long term house edge.
While the above is strictly always true, there is one sense in which roulette offers a way to conceptually increase the house edge (but never decrease it). Because roulette allows the player to place multiple bets at the same time, subject to the same rolls, it IS possible to make "dumb" bets that undermine the house edge. The classic example is betting an equal amount on both red and black on every roll. The result would be that you would never win a (combined) "bet", but you'd occasionally lose both. Across all betting, the house edge would remain unchanged, but obviously if you bet that way you would only lose and never win (I'm sure you'd get plenty of free drinks though!), so it would be fair to view that as a way to increase the house edge to 100% by creating the hybrid (red and black or odd and even) "bet", And you could use other varying degrees of hedging to achieve anything between the true house edge and 100% if you were so inclined (or just careless). But that fact should in no way be confused with any possibility to use a betting method/strategy/system to increase your odds.
