Evenbobs Baccarat Thread
Quote: OnceDearNo. Gambler's Fallacy is gambling 101 and you ain't understood that one yet.Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobIf you were to bet OTL or FTL on past outcomes those are considered rules and that would be a system and you would be correct to call it a system.
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One True Love, Out To Lunch with a Full Truck Load?
What did you actually mean?
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Oh my God, you make comments like you're some kind of gambling expert and you don't know what those refer to? Good grief. Follow the last and other than last is gambling 101, next you'll be saying you don't know what a ploppie is.
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I wonder if he's figured out the difference between a Martingale and a D'alembert yet... or house edge and win rate....
Quote: EvenBobBig news for me...
What was the purpose of this thread, with it's long introductory post?
Quote: billryanWhy can you ignore urgent requests for help from all the deposed African princes but focus on a lonely 75-year-old man who thinks he has accomplished the impossible? When my neighbor in NYC announced he had completed the Panama Canal, we congratulated him and moved on.
EB has defeated math and posted irrefutable proof. Thank him and move on.
Now that EB has posted what we can all agree is proof of everything he claimed, I'm not sure how keeping this open does anyone any good.
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That was the reason for my opening question: Was this thread maybe meant as a replacement conduit for EvenBob's 'Method' nonsense? A metaphorical stink bomb thrown into a crowded room? A glue trap? A troll thread?
Anyway, BillRyan. I love the sentiment there. Euthanize the thread, which has now achieved all its purposes.
You might be onto something. Did you pet your NYC neighbour's unicorn and feed it an invisible carrot?
Actually, it's a thread that EvenBob opened, so he should have the last word. Maybe that would happen if we all looked away and stopped responding.
But we are rubbish at such teamwork.
Quote: TigerWu
I wonder if he's figured out the difference between a Martingale and a D'alembert yet...
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If you think they are the same thing you obviously don't know what either one is. LOL study a little harder you'll figure it out..
Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobIf you were to bet OTL or FTL on past outcomes those are considered rules and that would be a system and you would be correct to call it a system.
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One True Love, Out To Lunch with a Full Truck Load?
What did you actually mean?
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Oh my God, you make comments like you're some kind of gambling expert and you don't know what those refer to? Good grief. Follow the last and other than last is gambling 101, next you'll be saying you don't know what a ploppie is.
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"Gambling Expert" is a shield that hides all manner of sin, but does not require fluency in every minute nuance of shorthand and jargon.
It's hard to pick just one. This one comes close.Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
I'm confident in saying that If you have any legitimate significant amounts of flat bets on Roullet YOU ARE NOT AHEAD LIFETIME and YOU WON'T BE AHEAD LIFETIME and YOUR METHOD IS NOTHING BUT A -EV SYSTEM.
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Yawn. When you think of something new to say please post it. Most of the posts here are just the same people posting the same things over and over and over like if they keep doing it, it will actually come true. Doesn't work that way.
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This strikes me as the most ironic statement ever made on this forum!
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Quote: EvenBob
Oh my God, you make comments like you're some kind of gambling expert and you don't know what those refer to? Good grief. Follow the last and other than last is gambling 101, next you'll be saying you don't know what a ploppie is.
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"Gambling Expert" is a shield that hides all manner of sin, but does not require fluency in every minute nuance of shorthand and jargon.
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If Oncedear thinks follow the last, and other than last, are minute nuances in gambling, what an eye opener that is. It's one of the first things you learn because so many people use it and so many people depend on it. Yet he's never even heard of it. Amazing..
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Dieter
"Gambling Expert" is a shield that hides all manner of sin, but does not require fluency in every minute nuance of shorthand and jargon.
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If Oncedear thinks follow the last, and other than last, are minute nuances in gambling, what an eye opener that is. It's one of the first things you learn because so many people use it and so many people depend on it. Yet he's never even heard of it. Amazing..
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Being versed in your gambling superstitions is not a requirement for someone to be an expert.
Quote: Dieter
Being versed in your gambling superstitions is not a requirement for someone to be an expert.
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Follow the last and other than last are a mainstay way of betting followed by millions of gamblers, it's hardly a superstition. It's a guaranteed way to lose in the long run but in the short term if you're in the right circumstances you think you found a pot of gold. I've seen it over and over and over, everybody has. Problem is the next time you use it it will send you to the poorhouse. Why would you think it's a gambling superstition, I don't get it. Read any gambling book they'll mention it over and over again, there will you usually be an entire chapter devoted to it.
Those are Betting system/gamblers fallacy terms, not Advantage Play or +EV terms... that's why you know them so well.Quote: EvenBobQuote: Dieter
"Gambling Expert" is a shield that hides all manner of sin, but does not require fluency in every minute nuance of shorthand and jargon.
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If Oncedear thinks follow the last, and other than last, are minute nuances in gambling, what an eye opener that is. It's one of the first things you learn because so many people use it and so many people depend on it. Yet he's never even heard of it. Amazing..
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I don't claim to be a gambling expert(Im obviously a roulette and baccarat Grand Master!!) but 90-something percent of my income since my early 20s has been made from the casino's while gambling/advantage playing/as a professional gambler and angle shooting. I certainly haven't ever heard of those terms, I haven't heard anyone ever use them that I can remember.
Didn't Mike write the literal book Gambling 101 and 102? I wonder if those terms are one of the first things he mentions? I haven't read those books, but Im guessing, NO.
Can you show me where any Gambling Experts reference those terms in their books or on their websites?
I would guess if they are mentioning those terms, it's related to SYSTEM BETTING.
Whenever the time and proper place presents itself, assuming I can even remember those terms, I'm going to ask a few people who are considered experts if they know what those abbreviations mean. I'll get them on record to be sure that it's not just me claiming so and so said this or that.
This is all done while I'm taking a break from my outdoor work where I've already cut myself and bled three times, LOL. Dealing with brush you can't help it that stuff is out to get you.
Quote: AxelWolf
I don't claim to be a gambling expert(Im obviously a roulette and baccarat Grand Master!!) but 90-something percent of my income since my early 20s has been made from the casino's while gambling/advantage playing/as a professional gambler and angle shooting. I certainly haven't ever heard of those terms, I haven't heard anyone ever use them that I can remember.
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Yet how many people chimed in here knowing exactly what they meant, and how many more would have given time. The fact that you don't know them is irrelevant, when have you ever played a table game with any seriousness. That old guy in the baccarat video that somebody posted here yesterday was using them, they are Surefire winners when the outcomes are playing that way but they will take every dime of your money if it's not. And more often than not, you will lose.
Oh, you suddenly know what flat betting means?Quote: EvenBob. Where I flatbet on Baccarat I use a D'alem on the other game not to be confused with a Martingale, they're not the same thing, not even close.
D'alem =betting system ... it's not a method...IT'S A SYSTEM.
Quote: EvenBobI have been told that I should post more than one day at a time results so here's the results so far from yesterday and today at one of the casinos. Because the shoe I looked at was pitiful and I saw some bets on the other game I bet there instead. Where I flatbet on Baccarat I use a D'alem on the other game not to be confused with a Martingale, they're not the same thing, not even close. If you need that explained I will gladly do it.
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FYI, everyone, EB claims to use a D'alembert progression in Roulette, but then he defines it as a Martingale using a flat bet, which doesn't even make sense....
Quote: EvenBobI will not be using a Martingale I will be flat betting using a D'alem progression if I lose a unit only to speed it up. I could just flat bet if that's what everybody wants but it's going to take a lot longer.
I will be flat betting and if I lose one unit my next bet will be two units if I lose again my next bet will be 4 units if I win I will be one unit ahead in the session and I will quit. I could just flat bet all the time but it would take much longer per session when I lose a unit, I will not be playing 80% method because that takes too long and I do not have time to do that for this challenge and do my regular play for real money.
LOL!!!
I can assure you, other than roulette(and probably even on roulette) I have played many many more hands/spins/turns than you have. If you include all forms of table games, it's likely I have played more hands/spins/turns in one day than you do in an entire year.Quote: EvenBobThe fact that you don't know them is irrelevant, when have you ever played a table game with any seriousness. post
I recently played many thousands of Hands of Baccarat at a B&M Casino from $25-$250 with 5-10k swings. I don't know if you consider that serious or not. I think it's a bit more serious than your measly $1 a hand.
I have witnesses/pictures and logs just in case you think I'm telling tall tails.
I spent a significant amount of time playing table games in the 90s.
In the early 2000's I spent about 2 years every day for 12 hours+ a day playing mostly table games. I have always played some form of table game whenever a good opportunity presented itself while betting anywhere from $1-1,000's of dollars. It's true, I don't go seeking out table game opportunities like some guys do. I don't have the proper focus, determination a willingness to do so.
Card counting sucks, and I suck at it nowadays. When juicy opportunities come up, I'll jump on them, but it has to be a slam-dunk situation.
There probably are very few weeks that go by that I don't play some form of Blackjack, Roullet, Craps, Baccarat, etc.
Quote: AxelWolfOh, you suddenly know what flat betting means?Quote: EvenBob. Where I flatbet on Baccarat I use a D'alem on the other game not to be confused with a Martingale, they're not the same thing, not even close.
D'alem =betting system ... it's not a method...IT'S A SYSTEM.
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Yes but it's not used for bet selection, it's a well-known very old progressive betting system. So what, what's your point. For bet selection I use a strategy, a method, not a system. And I'm only using the progression on the 50 cent bets because it makes the game go faster it puts me in profit faster. I don't have all day to sit there and screw around just to post something here.
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FYI, everyone, EB claims to use a D'alembert progression in Roulette, but then he defines it as a Martingale using a flat bet, which doesn't even make sense....
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It doesn't make sense because I didn't do that. You want me to explain the difference between a Martingale and a D'alem, you seem to be very confused. Flat betting is flat betting it needs no explanation. I can't believe in every post I'm having to explain gambling 101. I mean, seriously? If I had your address I'd send you one of John Patrick's books, LOL.
Quote: AxelWolfI can assure you, .
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And right there I stopped reading, I don't have wade through more Axel blah blah blah.. When you figure out how to get to your point in less than six paragraphs get back to me.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfI can assure you, .
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And right there I stopped reading, I don't have wade through more Axel blah blah blah.. When you figure out how to get to your point in less than six paragraphs get back to me.
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This was his point:
Quote: EvenBobThe fact that you don't know them is irrelevant, when have you ever played a table game with any seriousness.
Axelwolf (paraphrased): The 1990's and early 2000's.
They probably googled it. Not many more, because only 5-7 people even entertain you and your SYSTEM crapola.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
I don't claim to be a gambling expert(Im obviously a roulette and baccarat Grand Master!!) but 90-something percent of my income since my early 20s has been made from the casino's while gambling/advantage playing/as a professional gambler and angle shooting. I certainly haven't ever heard of those terms, I haven't heard anyone ever use them that I can remember.
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Yet how many people chimed in here knowing exactly what they meant, and how many more would have given time. post
I cracked 2 of my ribs on my recent Extreme Fishing Vacation, so I have plenty of time. Meanwhile, Ill be sure to school you on some Grand Master baccarat play results.
Quote: AxelWolf
There probably are very few weeks that go by that I don't play some form of Blackjack, Roullet, Craps, Baccarat, etc.
I'm curious Axel if you don't mind my asking
why do you play the minus EV games of roulette, craps and bacc
because the casinos are offering some kind of rebate or promotion__________?____________that's what I would guess
I would be surprised if you do this for entertainment
.
My educated guess is 'cover play' with a side serving of WRQuote: lilredroosterQuote: AxelWolf
There probably are very few weeks that go by that I don't play some form of Blackjack, Roullet, Craps, Baccarat, etc.
I'm curious Axel if you don't mind my asking
why do you play the minus EV games of roulette, craps and bacc
because the casinos are offering some kind of rebate or promotion__________?____________that's what I would guess
I would be surprised if you do this for entertainment
.
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Quote: AxelWolfIll be sure to school you on some Grand Master baccarat play results.
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I would be interested in that. The thing I like about Baccarat is there so much written about it, there are so many books about how to play and how to read the different roads. I've never gotten into that, never had the time.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
Quote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me,
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Good grief why would you do that. I'm not making any so-called 'wild' claims about Baccarat, all I'm doing is starting to play the game full time and posting results making minimum bets. I thought this was a gambling forum, what is wrong with this thread that you would want to cancel it. Please explain.
Quote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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Don’t you have the authority to identify clearly trolling threads and end them? I mean, isn’t that what a moderator /administrator is (not) paid to do?
Quote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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There has always been a forum rule against posting similar repetitive threads. The "but its Baccarat and not roulette " argument is just s ruse.
Many comments by EB stated here are almost identical already to the roulette thread.
The timing of the start of this thread directly after the other one was shut down is literally the circumstantial form of evidence used in court trials to show guilty intent.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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Don’t you have the authority to identify clearly trolling threads and end them? I mean, isn’t that what a moderator /administrator is (not) paid to do?
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How is this by any stretch of the imagination trolling. I don't think trolling means what you think it means. I'm completely above board and telling everybody what I'm doing and I'm even posting results from online casinos. How is that trolling? Please explain. I don't know what more I could do. I play patterns and trends in baccarat and I'm posting the results of my play. What else would you have me do,
Quote: darkozQuote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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There has always been a forum rule against posting similar repetitive threads. The "but its Baccarat and not roulette " argument is just s ruse.
Many comments by EB stated here are almost identical already to the roulette thread.
The timing of the start of this thread directly after the other one was shut down is literally the circumstantial form of evidence used in court trials to show guilty intent.
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You seem to forget that the roulette thread was not shut down by management, I'm the one that shut it down. I'm the one that canceled it. So I switched games and I'm now playing Baccarat, so what. Why should that matter to you, if you don't like it do what I do, block the thread. I have literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of block threads on this site it's very simple to do. No more worries.. The fastest way to make this thread not matter is to not post in it and to just block it. Do it, everybody blockthis thread so I'm the only one posting in it and no one will ever see it. Easy peasy..
Most of it isn't -EV play. There's usually something like a Promotion, Bonus, back-end offers, loss rebate, competition, free tournament, cashback,play-a-match play offer, etc.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AxelWolf
There probably are very few weeks that go by that I don't play some form of Blackjack, Roullet, Craps, Baccarat, etc.
I'm curious Axel if you don't mind my asking
why do you play the minus EV games of roulette, craps and bacc
because the casinos are offering some kind of rebate or promotion__________?____________that's what I would guess
I would be surprised if you do this for entertainment
.
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There are times when I pick up free play and play -EV games but that's for a good reason.
I do calculated cover/shill play, such as I have been doing when posting my super duper grandmaster baccarat and roulette play. I would normally play slots because that is what they like best. You just can't sit and play bonus after bonus and win each time without getting cut off. To keep the offers coming you have to donk off a little back. I always have an approximant amount of action I want to get in and I set a limit to how much I'm willing to lose. That ranges from $25 to $500. It really depends on the place and situation, but Usually, it's $100.
Obviously, I win sometimes and it's too much to give back, so I just hope and pray this isn't the time they cut me off.
I don't care one way or the other if it dies, gets shut down, or lives on forever.Quote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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It should absolutely be put in the betting systems subforum(Why isn't it?). It shouldn't show on the recent threads list. I doubt I would participate if it wasn't on the recent threats list, I wouldn't even know it existed.
Honest question: Can you give us more details on why you switched to baccarat after all these years? You said something about improved baccarat conditions. Can you elaborate? Are you dealing with the same hit rates, how many bets do you think are good can you find per day on average?Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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There has always been a forum rule against posting similar repetitive threads. The "but its Baccarat and not roulette " argument is just s ruse.
Many comments by EB stated here are almost identical already to the roulette thread.
The timing of the start of this thread directly after the other one was shut down is literally the circumstantial form of evidence used in court trials to show guilty intent.
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You seem to forget that the roulette thread was not shut down by management, I'm the one that shut it down. I'm the one that canceled it. So I switched games and I'm now playing Baccarat, so what. Why should that matter to you, if you don't like it do what I do, block the thread. I have literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of block threads on this site it's very simple to do. No more worries.. The fastest way to make this thread not matter is to not post in it and to just block it. Do it, everybody blockthis thread so I'm the only one posting in it and no one will ever see it. Easy peasy..
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Oh, and it's complete BS that someone can ask for 'their' threads to be shut down for some BS reasons. I can see if someone had a logical legitimate reason(ill leave that to the imagination). Once someone starts a thread open for comments, it's no longer their thread, I don't care if they put their name on it. It affects other members who may want to comment on something in that thread, you stifle their ability to do so.Quote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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If you want that option and your own thread, isn't there a blog section?
Quote: AxelWolfHonest question: Can you give us more details on why you switched to baccarat after all these years? You said something about improved baccarat conditions. Can you elaborate? Are you dealing with the same hit rates, how many bets do you think are good can you find per day on average?
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As I said at the start of this thread I've always preferred this game but it is very difficult to play in Indian casinos because if they even have it, it's usually just one table and the minimum is usually $25. And the table is so crowded anyway that you can't find a seat. It's only lately that I've been paying attention to it online because I kind of forgot about it because I was all caught up in the other game. As far as how many bets I can find on an average day, as usual I'm only looking to win one or two units so it all depends on what the shoe is doing. Some shoes are impossible to play, they produce nothing but crap. I enjoy this game online because at some of the casinos they show you what the other players are betting on and they show you how much money is being bet. And the patterns in baccarat are different than the patterns in the other game and I also think there are more streaks. I can't know that for a fact I'm just guessing because it feels like it. You can get a shoe that was shuffled in a certain way where the entire shoe it's totally dominated by one side or the other. Those shoes are like gifts from the God's and you never see that in the other game. Baccarat is more interesting because there are people that write books about it that have different strategies, there are actually baccarat tournaments and people that continually win year after year. How are they doing that, what strategy are they using. There are many many ways that I consider this game to be superior to the other game I was playing.
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It should absolutely be put in the betting systems subforum(Why isn't it?).
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It is. Top of the heap.
Why is it not hidden from the view of polite citizenry?
That is not the default policy for the Betting Systems sty.
Forum rules still apply to BS discussions, even if the rules of probability and randomness apparently do not.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
That is one of the [expletive deleted] wrongest assertions that you have ever made.
Bet against the trend, bet with the trend: Makes zero difference. You can still lose every wager you place and proceed to lose your ass.
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Depends on the trend, doesn't it. If you do this with every trend obviously you will lose your ass. You have to know which trends to follow and which ones to leave alone. The problem with gamblers, of which I am not, is they are always looking for the magic solution that works on every play every time and so that's how they think. They can't imagine arriving at a bet selection that's actually based on something other than sheer luck. Like my example of the guy who lost his entire bankroll. You see a marquee that's entirely red why on Earth would you bet black. It's obviously trending red why do you think the trend will end on the next outcome when it hasn't done so in the last four or five outcomes. So take a chance, bet with the trend and you can only lose once. Trends are a force of nature in casino games and in everything else and people who pay attention know that.
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i don't usually follow trends when gambling i just check out people on the table searching for that lucky person hahhahah and just follow his bet.
Quote: queenCOSMOSQuote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
That is one of the [expletive deleted] wrongest assertions that you have ever made.
Bet against the trend, bet with the trend: Makes zero difference. You can still lose every wager you place and proceed to lose your ass.
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Depends on the trend, doesn't it. If you do this with every trend obviously you will lose your ass. You have to know which trends to follow and which ones to leave alone. The problem with gamblers, of which I am not, is they are always looking for the magic solution that works on every play every time and so that's how they think. They can't imagine arriving at a bet selection that's actually based on something other than sheer luck. Like my example of the guy who lost his entire bankroll. You see a marquee that's entirely red why on Earth would you bet black. It's obviously trending red why do you think the trend will end on the next outcome when it hasn't done so in the last four or five outcomes. So take a chance, bet with the trend and you can only lose once. Trends are a force of nature in casino games and in everything else and people who pay attention know that.
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i don't usually follow trends when gambling i just check out people on the table searching for that lucky person hahhahah and just follow his bet.
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That will actually work many times, if you're lucky enough to have somebody at the table that's consistently winning.
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Quote: AxelWolf
It should absolutely be put in the betting systems subforum(Why isn't it?).
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It is. Top of the heap.
Even though I am not using a system, I am using a strategy, if it makes everybody deliriously happy to put it in the systems category I don't care. No skin off my nose.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: queenCOSMOSQuote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
That is one of the [expletive deleted] wrongest assertions that you have ever made.
Bet against the trend, bet with the trend: Makes zero difference. You can still lose every wager you place and proceed to lose your ass.
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Depends on the trend, doesn't it. If you do this with every trend obviously you will lose your ass. You have to know which trends to follow and which ones to leave alone. The problem with gamblers, of which I am not, is they are always looking for the magic solution that works on every play every time and so that's how they think. They can't imagine arriving at a bet selection that's actually based on something other than sheer luck. Like my example of the guy who lost his entire bankroll. You see a marquee that's entirely red why on Earth would you bet black. It's obviously trending red why do you think the trend will end on the next outcome when it hasn't done so in the last four or five outcomes. So take a chance, bet with the trend and you can only lose once. Trends are a force of nature in casino games and in everything else and people who pay attention know that.
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i don't usually follow trends when gambling i just check out people on the table searching for that lucky person hahhahah and just follow his bet.
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That will actually work many times, if you're lucky enough to have somebody at the table that's consistently winning.
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doesn't apply on online betting. there it's only based your luck hahahha praying to the gambling gods to shower their luck on me when i play in online casinos
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888I was aghast when EB started this thread.
Euthanizing this thread sounds like a desirable option to me, but the difference between euthanization and manslaughter/murder is that euthanization requires the consent of the participants. And if Mr V, TigerWu, Soopoo, Axel, lilredrooster,OnceDear and others don't want this thread to die, then it will live on. The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it.
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Don’t you have the authority to identify clearly trolling threads and end them? I mean, isn’t that what a moderator /administrator is (not) paid to do?
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I have the authority to end the thread, subject to review by other moderators. So do Wizard and Dieter. However, we have to have a valid reason for ending the thread. So far, there is clearly no reason to do so. Just because you assert that EB is trolling does not mean that EB is indeed trolling.
"The most sure-fire way to cancel this thread is to ignore it." Soopoo, why don't you contribute to ending this thread and ignore this thread? You have the authority to do so.
Quote: EvenBobSet out to make one unit at this Playtech casino and I did. The history window was quite small and you have to scroll around in it to see everything so my picture does not include the date which was today. If you really need the date I suppose I can go and make a copy of it but here's the results.
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LMAO.
He set out to make '1 Unit Profit' and he says he did. He placed min bet of $1 and final profit was 90c !!!
So what's the unit size here? $1 or 90c
EvenBob tells us that "BET SELECTION IS EVERYTHING"!!!!
EvenBob's tells us that his 'Method' doesn't rely on Any Progression. Well. It's him posting the evidence!
What a joke!
And what do we have here? 5 wagers using simple loss chasing where he switched from $1 to $2 after each loss that put him more than $1 down.
His wondrous bet selection picked 2 winners and 3 losers, which the power of martingale converted to a 90c profit
Wager $1 Lose $1 Now $1 down
Wager $1 Lose $1 Now $2 down
Wager $2 Win $1.95 Now $0.05 down
Wager $1 Lose $1 Now $1.05 down
Wager $2 Win $1.95 Now $0.90 up
Yayyyyyy. Run away!
Hit rate 2/5 = 40%
Final goal achieved 90c profit
I'm impressed! You couldn't make this stuff up!
If he'd wanted to really impress us more, he could have shown his winning streak from between where his balance at that playtech casino was $17.20 and the start of this session at $21.26
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LMAO.
He set out to make '1 Unit Profit' and he says he did. He placed min bet of $1 and final profit was 90c !!!
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Yes, that's because when you bet Banker in baccarat and you win they take a 5% commission which means you win 95 cents instead of $1. It's still considered a unit, even though it's less than what you bet. I'm sorry to have to keep wising you up, it seems to be a never-ending job. And no, I always bet $1, I never bet $2. Try and figure it out, but please don't hurt yourself.
Quote: EvenBobSet out to make one unit at this Playtech casino and I did. The history window was quite small and you have to scroll around in it to see everything so my picture does not include the date which was today. If you really need the date I suppose I can go and make a copy of it but here's the results.
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You only make $1 bets. Never $2 bets.
Your results above 3rd wager shows a starting balance from the previous outcome of $19.26. Wagering $1 if you lost the new balance would be $18.26($1 less just like the previous loss).
However you won. $19.26 +$1 = $20.21(less a nickel for 5%commissions). However you have a posted new balance of $21,21. A $1 even money wager returned a $1.95profit.
The same incorrect math occurs on the fifth wager at the top. You risked $1 on even money with a 2:1 payout.
This is IMO absolute proof of you posting false results and using some type of photoshop to create fake wins.
Even if you argue that you actually did make a $2 wager that wouldn't account for just a nickel in commissions. The winning amount on a $2 wager would be $1.90 Not $1.95
I'm curious how the mods weigh in on this.
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LMAO.
He set out to make '1 Unit Profit' and he says he did. He placed min bet of $1 and final profit was 90c !!!
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Yes, that's because when you bet Banker in baccarat and you win they take a 5% commission which means you win 95 cents instead of $1. It's still considered a unit, even though it's less than what you bet. I'm sorry to have to keep wising you up, it seems to be a never-ending job. And no, I always bet $1, I never bet $2. Try and figure it out, but please don't hurt yourself.
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Thank You EvenBob.
Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBobSet out to make one unit at this Playtech casino and I did. The history window was quite small and you have to scroll around in it to see everything so my picture does not include the date which was today. If you really need the date I suppose I can go and make a copy of it but here's the results.
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You only make $1 bets. Never $2 bets.
Your results above 3rd wager shows a starting balance from the previous outcome of $19.26. Wagering $1 if you lost the new balance would be $18.26($1 less just like the previous loss).
However you won. $19.26 +$1 = $20.21(less a nickel for 5%commissions). However you have a posted new balance of $21,21. A $1 even money wager returned a $1.95profit.
The same incorrect math occurs on the fifth wager at the top. You risked $1 on even money with a 2:1 payout.
This is IMO absolute proof of you posting false results and using some type of photoshop to create fake wins.
Even if you argue that you actually did make a $2 wager that wouldn't account for just a nickel in commissions. The winning amount on a $2 wager would be $1.90 Not $1.95
I'm curious how the mods weigh in on this.
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As DarkOz rightly points out, there are TWO wagers in that screen grab that show the starting bankroll increase by $1.95 over the course of one wager. EvenBob invites us to figure out how that came to pass.
OK. Let's go figure.
I'd originally assumed that he'd paid 5c commission on a banker win from a $2 wager. But as EB rightly points out, the commission on a banker win is 5% and would have been 10c. EB also insists that he only wagers $1 on each hand.
The apparent conundrum there is how did EB advance his bankroll by $1.95 with a win from a $1 wager?
DarkOz postulates photoshopping by EvenBob. I assert that it's not that, but something much simpler.
I'm happy to hear other explanations, but if I'm correct, then this result log of EvenBob's was not a representative picture of that session. Indeed for that session, we cannot deduce anything from the log of changes in bankroll, only that 5 wagers were placed.
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Seriously Bob, to avoid this type of situation or any skepticism.Quote: EvenBob
If you want to provide evidence you can and do beat roulette/Baccarat, why can't you just do it right with the proper protocols?
Stop F@%$ing around with implementing systems into what you call a method, just flat-bet. No excuses why this that or the other thing happened, and no jive about using D'lam, Marty, Jahova, jihadadanada, or Tittly Winks. Just do it normal like.
If you truly have this amazing ability to guess correctly at an 80% hit rate, it shouldn't be that hard, difficult, or take that long to prove you beat those games. Come on man, just 100 flat bets of your best guesses that's plenty if you can get above 77%. I'll believe you then.
I have said it many times. For any attempt at proving you are a winner...
You need to declare the casino(s) you intend to play at.
Declare the date and time you are going to start
Declare a reasonable number of hands you will complete.
Show(or provide Mike) complete logs from the beginning of the time you declared to the end without gaps at all the casinos you declared.
Failure to provide logs even if you prematurely quit would be an automatic failure.
Had you just stuck with the Roulette and did this, you would've been done by now.
False Dichotomy: EvenBob does not want to avoid this type of situation or any skepticism. Why would he want that? He has nothing to prove. Nothing to demonstrate. Nothing of interest. By arguing that he has a Holy Grail, he gets to interact. If we proved either way, he would have no conversation piece. He'd get no attention, and apart from immortality what would be the point of owning such a treasure.Quote: AxelWolfSeriously Bob, to avoid this type of situation or any skepticism.
Again. He's given evidence that he does not want to.Quote:If you want to provide evidence you can and do beat roulette/Baccarat, why can't you just do it right with the proper protocols?
Not going to happen.Quote:Stop F@%$ing around.
What if he doesn't? Wouldn't that explain it all?Quote:If you truly have this amazing ability,,,
Quote:Had you just stuck with the Roulette and did this, you would've been done by now.
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Quote: AxelWolfNot to mention there's a chance Bob is playing multiple casinos and only showing us the casino(s) that have positive results. Skipping posting on losing days at one place until it resets (I guess money won or lost resets daily?)
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If you think I'm doing that here's the simple answer. Block this thread. I'm not in a contest here to win a million dollars this whole thing is my idea, you do not get to have input on what I have to do and don't have to do. If you don't like what I'm doing, don't come here. Simplicity itself. If you think I'm going to get into a squabble over picayune details every time I post my results, think again. I don't have time for that and I certainly don't have the desire for it.
