Evenbobs Baccarat Thread
August 19th, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM
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Couldn't agree more. Gordon enforces with the hand of a Tyrant.
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So do I.
Let's say 3 days for insult.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 19th, 2023 at 10:04:24 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: OnceDearRemember folks. There is a thread rating feature on this forum. Maybe if we all rated at 0*, we could persuade wizard to make that mean something.
p.s. When will this thread get moved to the appropriate subforum?
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I have a hunch this thread will get appropriately re-filed just as soon as we figure out if it's BS or not.
If you want the thread to fizzle out, quit responding.
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Oh I think we know that the underlying topic is indeed just more of the same BS
I chose not to link to a definition of BS..... Except that EB's BS has a habit of defining itself
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2023 at 10:14:58 AM
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Quote: OnceDearRemember folks. There is a thread rating feature on this forum. Maybe if we all rated at 0*, we could persuade wizard to make that mean something.
p.s. When will this thread get moved to the appropriate subforum?
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Note to self..... One of the highest rated threads started by EvenBob is this one
I can't deduce which of his threads led to the most suspensions.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2023 at 10:29:45 AM
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Quote: MDawg
EvenBob do you flat bet Baccarat or vary your bet? And, I gather that you bet Bank only, is that correct?
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FB only and I bet whatever I think the next outcome will be based on patterns and trends.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 10:57:28 AM
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Calling someone's posts BS is insulting. Especially repeatedly.
Come on OnceDear I am sure you could come up with an equally colorful but less insulting way to get your point across.
Come on OnceDear I am sure you could come up with an equally colorful but less insulting way to get your point across.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 19th, 2023 at 11:04:40 AM
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There are casinos in Macau that have 800 bacc tables and at any given time 400 of them have dealers and 200 of those have players. 24/7 around the world there are thousands of shoes being played at any given time. Whatever statistics you have about Baccarat will apply to those thousands of shoes as a whole but it will not apply to any one shoe in particular. That one shoe is doing its own thing and it's up to me to figure out what it's doing. I cannot use the statistics that apply to all the shoes because I'm not playing all the shoes, duh. I have to figure out what this particular shoe is doing at this particular time and it could be anything. Just yesterday in the first 35 hands one of my casinos produced 11 ties in a shoe. Five of them are in a row. That's ridiculous, you could go years without seeing that again and I didn't even look at the whole shoe that was just the first half of it. No I'm not saying I could figure out when there's going to be a tie I have no idea. My point is that shoe was not obeying the statistics that all the shoes taken as a whole are obeying. It was doing its own thing, just as every shoe taken on an individual basis is doing its own thing. I think the problem is people think you can't beat Baccarat because the statistics say you can't with the statistics that only apply to the very long run. But we are playing in the extreme short run where nothing applies to us. Anything can happen and usually does.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 11:09:06 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: MDawg
EvenBob do you flat bet Baccarat or vary your bet? And, I gather that you bet Bank only, is that correct?
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FB only and I bet whatever I think the next outcome will be based on patterns and trends.
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Okay thanks for clarifying.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 19th, 2023 at 11:48:30 AM
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I'm going to repeat this because I believe my message may have gotten lost due to the conversation about my warning
this part of what I said was not emboldened as part of my warning so I think I'm okay
I believe the reason EB is making these absurd claims is:
anyone who could actually do this (profitable play from bet selection due to trends) and could prove it could potentially draw worldwide attention from the media since it is something that has never been proven and it has never been suggested as even being possible by respected gambling authorities such as the Wizard
EB cannot draw that kind of attention
but what he can do is present himself on this forum as he would like to be seen
as an exceptional person with extraordinary abilities
.
I'm going to repeat this because I believe my message may have gotten lost due to the conversation about my warning
this part of what I said was not emboldened as part of my warning so I think I'm okay
I believe the reason EB is making these absurd claims is:
anyone who could actually do this (profitable play from bet selection due to trends) and could prove it could potentially draw worldwide attention from the media since it is something that has never been proven and it has never been suggested as even being possible by respected gambling authorities such as the Wizard
EB cannot draw that kind of attention
but what he can do is present himself on this forum as he would like to be seen
as an exceptional person with extraordinary abilities
.
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
August 19th, 2023 at 12:46:32 PM
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Betting Systems. A subforum appropriate to such topics.Quote: MDawgCalling someone's posts BS is insulting. Especially repeatedly.
Come on OnceDear I am sure you could come up with an equally colorful but less insulting way to get your point across.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2023 at 1:14:59 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: EvenBobIndian casinos in Michigan don't give out free drinks
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I can't think of a tribal casino anywhere that gives free alcoholic drinks.
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Seneca Niagara. Drink for free to your heart’s content.
August 19th, 2023 at 1:26:03 PM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
I'm going to repeat this because I believe my message may have gotten lost due to the conversation about my warning
this part of what I said was not emboldened as part of my warning so I think I'm okay
I believe the reason EB is making these absurd claims is:
anyone who could actually do this (profitable play from bet selection due to trends) and could prove it could potentially draw worldwide attention from the media since it is something that has never been proven and it has never been suggested as even being possible by respected gambling authorities such as the Wizard
EB cannot draw that kind of attention
but what he can do is present himself on this forum as he would like to be seen
as an exceptional person with extraordinary abilities
.
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Interesting to speculate as to EB's motivation. We've done that a few times.
A few things I've noticed...
1)EB has virtually stopped posting in other gambling related forums where he once was prolific and echoed the same sort of method. He got ridiculed at one and blended into the other [insert your own word] on another forum (Not quoting, of course, nor importing drama)
2)EB's most polite and engaging posts in these threads are with MDawg, who makes incredible claims of his own.
3)EB's less engaging posts are with those who have disputed his credibility.
4)EB has not conspicuously engaged with Wizard's observations on his posts.
I speculate that maybe it's an aspiration to be an equal or peer to some of the detracting APs and respected as a peer of the successful player MDawg. Maybe if he can earn MDawg's respect and support?
I further speculate that he knows that to try to argue the toss with Wizard would be to risk being revealed or devalued in some ways. So he doesn't. When he did engage with the challenge, he engineered the challenge collapse.
Quite why he does his posting through what we might call 'Absurd Claims', is perhaps because that's his most effective, if only, working lever. He pulls that lever and like marionettes, we all react.
Senior guy, living alone, Why should he not have a hobby? Why not zhuzh it up with a bit of fabrication and argument. I think he already once posted that he posts for his own amusement/entertainment (paraphrasing from memory)
And why do others post in these threads? Sport? Rejecting his doctrine? Defending newcomers? Frustration? Our own amusement? I wonder if ganging up on him is somehow wrong. But then what I see is a metaphorical hand-painted sign saying 'kick me' stuck on his back, in EvenBob's own handwriting.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2023 at 1:42:23 PM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
anyone who could actually do this (profitable play from bet selection due to trends) and could prove it could potentially draw worldwide attention
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You act like trends is something nobody's ever heard of before. Trends exist everywhere.
'Trends are general patterns that change and develop, moving up, down, and diagonally... They're constantly wavering and evolving.'
People take advantage of trends everywhere you look, why do you think they can't be taken advantage of in Baccarat. Of course they can, players do it all day long everyday. You just have to understand how it works and when to get in and when to get out. Experience is the key here.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 1:56:28 PM
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Trends in non random events can evolve in predictable ways, such as clouds gathering can trend towards rainfall in measurable and predictable ways. Such trends in nature can have recognisable patterns with predictive value.Quote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster.
anyone who could actually do this (profitable play from bet selection due to trends) and could prove it could potentially draw worldwide attention
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You act like trends is something nobody's ever heard of before. Trends exist everywhere.
'Trends are general patterns that change and develop, moving up, down, and diagonally... They're constantly wavering and evolving.'
People take advantage of trends everywhere you look, why do you think they can't be taken advantage of in Baccarat. Of course they can, players do it all day long everyday. You just have to understand how it works and when to get in and when to get out. Experience is the key here.
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Trends in the price of an equity might be driven by and predicted from the behaviour of traders. So they may gather momentum that predicts future valuations. Ditto for currency exchange rates where we have cause and effect.
But trends in Roulette and baccarat have ZERO predictive value. They show only what HAS happened. No amount of experience will be of any value whatsoever in 'guessing' what will happen next. One person in this thread makes the incorrect assertion that it does. With zero evidence. His identity is EvenBob and he is totally wrong. He's been making the same assertion for decades, so I assert that he is both consistently wrong and stubbornly unpersuadable in his wrongness.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2023 at 3:05:08 PM
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Do we have to wait 13 years for EB to post the "Should EB's Baccarat thread be closed" thread or can we just get to it now?
EDIT: I predict if the forum has that choice this thread will be closed. Now that's what predicting a trend is.
EDIT: I predict if the forum has that choice this thread will be closed. Now that's what predicting a trend is.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM
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Quote: darkozDo we have to wait 13 years for EB to post the "Should EB's Baccarat thread be closed" thread or can we just get to it now?
EDIT: I predict if the forum has that choice this thread will be closed. Now that's what predicting a trend is.
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My housemate is attempting to build a perpetual motion engine to pump water through his hydroponic garden. I've tried telling him. That said, if he can get it working, it means more tomatoes.
I try to remain moderately open-minded about these sorts of things in the early stages.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 19th, 2023 at 3:32:59 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: darkozDo we have to wait 13 years for EB to post the "Should EB's Baccarat thread be closed" thread or can we just get to it now?
EDIT: I predict if the forum has that choice this thread will be closed. Now that's what predicting a trend is.
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My housemate is attempting to build a perpetual motion engine to pump water through his hydroponic garden. I've tried telling him. That said, if he can get it working, it means more tomatoes.
I try to remain moderately open-minded about these sorts of things in the early stages.
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Hydroponics can be very energy efficient, e.g. drip feeding from a water tank that is refilled automatically like a toilet cistern. No need for any energy input beyond a bit of water pressure. But what's the fool doing wasting his time on tomatoes when there are better cash crops?
Oh.... And a couple of other things.... Get growing lights and..... Try coir compost. It's brilliant as a growing medium for hydroponic processes.
Meanwhile..... I was so tempted to create a poll thread to get opinions on how this thread should proceed, a bit like EB's roulette poll.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2023 at 3:53:32 PM
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Quote: OnceDear
But trends in Roulette and baccarat have ZERO predictive value.
Yet patterns and trends are undeniably what most baccarat players use in determining their bet placement. All you have to do is sit at a table and watch them and you will see they follow the trends and patterns. Have you ever been in a crowded casino where seven bankers in a row or more show up. All of a sudden the table will be surrounded by people betting on Banker. They will be piggy backing their bets on players that are sitting down. Cheers will go up as more bankers appear. They are following the trend.
The problem with this is they don't know when to quit because most of them are addicted gamblers. The thought of quitting after a few wins never enters their brains. I take advantage of patterns and trends to make a couple of units, not to sit there and play and play and play. I have no interest in doing that whatsoever the only reason I'm playing is to make money. If this is your goal then patterns and trends are very much exploitable. It's very much like hunting. When I go into the woods I have a specific goal and the goal is never to shoot every animal I see. I also don't enter the woods and just start shooting randomly and everything that moves. I have a plan, I have experience, I have a goal and when I reach that goal I stop. How many gamblers do this, I don't know a single one.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 3:57:41 PM
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Quote: OnceDear
Meanwhile..... I was so tempted to create a poll thread to get opinions on how this thread should proceed, a bit like EB's roulette poll.
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Why do you even care so much, what business is it of yours. Have I made any claims about bacc, I've only been playing online for a little over a week and that's for minimum amounts. Why does this bother you, what are you afraid of. I might even start posting results of my minimum bets, what will you do then. I'm only doing what the vast majority of bacc players do, why does this matter to you.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 4:19:29 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
But trends in Roulette and baccarat have ZERO predictive value.
Yet patterns and trends are undeniably what most baccarat players use in determining their bet placement. All you have to do is sit at a table and watch them and you will see they follow the trends and patterns. Have you ever been in a crowded casino where seven bankers in a row or more show up. All of a sudden the table will be surrounded by people betting on Banker. They will be piggy backing their bets on players that are sitting down. Cheers will go up as more bankers appear. They are following the trend.
The problem with this is they don't know when to quit because most of them are addicted gamblers. The thought of quitting after a few wins never enters their brains. I take advantage of patterns and trends to make a couple of units, not to sit there and play and play and play. I have no interest in doing that whatsoever the only reason I'm playing is to make money. If this is your goal then patterns and trends are very much exploitable. It's very much like hunting. When I go into the woods I have a specific goal and the goal is never to shoot every animal I see. I also don't enter the woods and just start shooting randomly and everything that moves. I have a plan, I have experience, I have a goal and when I reach that goal I stop. How many gamblers do this, I don't know a single one.
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EB, you will have better luck at the slots.
Those machines trend hot often and I see all the players rubbing the screen and that's when they win. If you rub the screen like they do you will win too.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2023 at 4:32:09 PM
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EB, you will have better luck at the slots.
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I'm afraid I don't believe in luck, but if that's your thing knock yourself out. Grab ahold of your rabbit's foot while you're rubbing the screen, and cross your fingers, I hear that's triple luck.. LOL
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 5:16:42 PM
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BETTING SYSTEM!!Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
But trends in Roulette and baccarat have ZERO predictive value.
Yet patterns and trends are undeniably what most baccarat players use in determining their bet placement. All you have to do is sit at a table and watch them and you will see they follow the trends and patterns. Have you ever been in a crowded casino where seven bankers in a row or more show up. All of a sudden the table will be surrounded by people betting on Banker. They will be piggy backing their bets on players that are sitting down. Cheers will go up as more bankers appear. They are following the trend.
The problem with this is they don't know when to quit because most of them are addicted gamblers. The thought of quitting after a few wins never enters their brains. I take advantage of patterns and trends to make a couple of units, not to sit there and play and play and play. I have no interest in doing that whatsoever the only reason I'm playing is to make money. If this is your goal then patterns and trends are very much exploitable. It's very much like hunting. When I go into the woods I have a specific goal and the goal is never to shoot every animal I see. I also don't enter the woods and just start shooting randomly and everything that moves. I have a plan, I have experience, I have a goal and when I reach that goal I stop. How many gamblers do this, I don't know a single one.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 19th, 2023 at 5:31:50 PM
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BETTING SYSTEM!Quote: EvenBobI'm only doing what the vast majority of bacc players do, why does this matter to you.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 19th, 2023 at 5:33:08 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBETTING SYSTEM!!Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
But trends in Roulette and baccarat have ZERO predictive value.
Yet patterns and trends are undeniably what most baccarat players use in determining their bet placement. All you have to do is sit at a table and watch them and you will see they follow the trends and patterns. Have you ever been in a crowded casino where seven bankers in a row or more show up. All of a sudden the table will be surrounded by people betting on Banker. They will be piggy backing their bets on players that are sitting down. Cheers will go up as more bankers appear. They are following the trend.
The problem with this is they don't know when to quit because most of them are addicted gamblers. The thought of quitting after a few wins never enters their brains. I take advantage of patterns and trends to make a couple of units, not to sit there and play and play and play. I have no interest in doing that whatsoever the only reason I'm playing is to make money. If this is your goal then patterns and trends are very much exploitable. It's very much like hunting. When I go into the woods I have a specific goal and the goal is never to shoot every animal I see. I also don't enter the woods and just start shooting randomly and everything that moves. I have a plan, I have experience, I have a goal and when I reach that goal I stop. How many gamblers do this, I don't know a single one.
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Really. Please explain how the betting system works because I don't see it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 5:34:05 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBETTING SYSTEM!Quote: EvenBobI'm only doing what the vast majority of bacc players do, why does this matter to you.
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Please explain this Phantom system, exactly what are the details. You seem to be the expert, please enlighten us.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 5:34:27 PM
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UNDENIABLY A BETTING SYSTEM!!!Quote: EvenBobQuote: OnceDear
But trends in Roulette and baccarat have ZERO predictive value.
Yet patterns and trends are undeniably what most baccarat players use in determining their bet placement. All you have to do is sit at a table and watch them and you will see they follow the trends and patterns. Have you ever been in a crowded casino where seven bankers in a row or more show up. All of a sudden the table will be surrounded by people betting on Banker. They will be piggy backing their bets on players that are sitting down. Cheers will go up as more bankers appear. They are following the trend.
The problem with this is they don't know when to quit because most of them are addicted gamblers. The thought of quitting after a few wins never enters their brains. I take advantage of patterns and trends to make a couple of units, not to sit there and play and play and play. I have no interest in doing that whatsoever the only reason I'm playing is to make money. If this is your goal then patterns and trends are very much exploitable. It's very much like hunting. When I go into the woods I have a specific goal and the goal is never to shoot every animal I see. I also don't enter the woods and just start shooting randomly and everything that moves. I have a plan, I have experience, I have a goal and when I reach that goal I stop. How many gamblers do this, I don't know a single one.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 19th, 2023 at 7:26:06 PM
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I've been asked to say what I've said about 65,536 times already -- All betting systems are equally worthless.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 19th, 2023 at 8:18:34 PM
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Quote: WizardI've been asked to say what I've said about 65,536 times already -- All betting systems are equally worthless.
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What the members really want you to do is point out the posts in this thread by EB are total babble, without showing even a semblance of understanding even the simplest concepts which apply to gambling/math/statistics.
And then offer him the opportunity to stop posting the abject nonsense he posts. And nuke him if he refuses. This thread is a sewage dump infesting your theoretical gambling expert website.
You’re saying betting systems are worthless is in and of itself worthless in curtailing the nonsense in EB’s posts. As he stated over the years, he beat Roulette with a ‘method’, not a system!
August 19th, 2023 at 8:37:30 PM
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Last couple times I remember we had a poster who consistently displayed the inherent need to draw this level of attention to themselves, they got either a corner or adventures thread so everyone could ignore the attention seeking behavior without resorting to the block.
August 19th, 2023 at 8:44:08 PM
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From my reading:
Unlike many betting systems, this scheme does not propose a progression. All bets are the same unit size.
This scheme suggests that the next winning side - banker or player - can be chosen based on inexplicable trends from the results of past hands.
Placing winning bets is a wonderful way to profit.
Without some coherent explanation of what is being done and why it should work, it certainly seems to fall under the Betting Systems category.
I wish everyone who employs this method all the success they deserve.
Unlike many betting systems, this scheme does not propose a progression. All bets are the same unit size.
This scheme suggests that the next winning side - banker or player - can be chosen based on inexplicable trends from the results of past hands.
Placing winning bets is a wonderful way to profit.
Without some coherent explanation of what is being done and why it should work, it certainly seems to fall under the Betting Systems category.
I wish everyone who employs this method all the success they deserve.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 19th, 2023 at 8:45:50 PM
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Quote: WizardI've been asked to say what I've said about 65,536 times already -- All betting systems are equally worthless.
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How is following trends and patterns in baccarat a system. It is what most baccarat players do. Please explain.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 8:50:27 PM
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Quote: Dieter
Without some coherent explanation of what is being done and why it should work, it certainly seems to fall under the Betting Systems category.
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Please explain the system to me because I don't see it. Betting with a trend is hardly a system because you can't even define what a trend is. You say this is a system please explain in detail how the system works. Tell me how you know when to place a bet in the system.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 8:54:03 PM
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and they took the bus to their job at Walgreens if it's who i think you are referring toQuote: mcallister3200Last couple times I remember we had a poster who consistently displayed the inherent need to draw this level of attention to themselves, they got either a corner or adventures thread so everyone could ignore the attention seeking behavior without resorting to the block.
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August 19th, 2023 at 9:01:51 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: EvenBobIndian casinos in Michigan don't give out free drinks
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I can't think of a tribal casino anywhere that gives free alcoholic drinks.
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Wizard,
At least two tribal casinos in Louisiana, Coushatta Casino Resort and Paragon Casino, serve free alcoholic drinks to players.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
August 19th, 2023 at 9:07:53 PM
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Quote: Dieter
Without some coherent explanation of what is being done and why it should work, it certainly seems to fall under the Betting Systems category.
I wish everyone who employs this method all the success they deserve.
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Here are some definitions of gambling system:
Noun 1.gambling system - a system of rules for placing bets that is believed to lead to winning;
(betting system) is a structured approach to gambling, in the attempt to produce a profit.
A betting system is a recipe for which bets to make, how much to bet, and when to place the bets
Betting systems in gambling are strategies of adjusting the size of your bets to influence your short-term profitability.
Please explain how following trends and patterns falls into any of these definitions.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 9:09:00 PM
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Do you believe EvenBob uses a Method or a System?Quote: WizardI've been asked to say what I've said about 65,536 times already -- All betting systems are equally worthless.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 19th, 2023 at 9:15:55 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: Dieter
Without some coherent explanation of what is being done and why it should work, it certainly seems to fall under the Betting Systems category.
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Please explain the system to me because I don't see it. Betting with a trend is hardly a system because you can't even define what a trend is. You say this is a system please explain in detail how the system works. Tell me how you know when to place a bet in the system.
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I see nothing explaining why it's not a system.
If you wish to bet with (or against) the trend you've discerned, that's your business. I don't know why it would alter the chances of winning.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 19th, 2023 at 9:23:31 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: Dieter
Without some coherent explanation of what is being done and why it should work, it certainly seems to fall under the Betting Systems category.
I wish everyone who employs this method all the success they deserve.
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Here are some definitions of gambling system:
Noun 1.gambling system - a system of rules for placing bets that is believed to lead to winning;
(betting system) is a structured approach to gambling, in the attempt to produce a profit.
A betting system is a recipe for which bets to make, how much to bet, and when to place the bets
Betting systems in gambling are strategies of adjusting the size of your bets to influence your short-term profitability.
Please explain how following trends and patterns falls into any of these definitions.
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Please explain how "following trends and patterns" is not a recipe for which bets to make.
I believe you've said that you flat bet, which describes how much the next bet should be.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 19th, 2023 at 9:24:36 PM
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I know somewhere Wizard stated systems are worthless but methods can beat the casino. Methods would be card counting, multu-carding etc.
As for EB flat betting I remind everyone that he claimed he ONLY flatbets at roulette while raising his bet in a Dalembert (which as he described was actually a Martingale).
Also that EB claims following trends is worthless AND that trends he sees are ONLY in his mind but his thoughts have repercussions on how he can predict them.
Again this is just Lewis Carroll Alice in Wonderland style posting.
As for EB flat betting I remind everyone that he claimed he ONLY flatbets at roulette while raising his bet in a Dalembert (which as he described was actually a Martingale).
Also that EB claims following trends is worthless AND that trends he sees are ONLY in his mind but his thoughts have repercussions on how he can predict them.
Again this is just Lewis Carroll Alice in Wonderland style posting.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2023 at 9:38:43 PM
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When I start posting results of minimum playing this is what it will look like.
My goal was to win two units, I bet five times, had three wins, one loss, one tie.
My goal here was to make three units.
My goal was to win two units, I bet five times, had three wins, one loss, one tie.
My goal here was to make three units.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 9:47:11 PM
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predict = WRONG WORD according to EB. He claims his selections are educated guesses.Quote: darkozI know somewhere Wizard stated systems are worthless but methods can beat the casino. Methods would be card counting, multu-carding etc.
As for EB flat betting I remind everyone that he claimed he ONLY flatbets at roulette while raising his bet in a Dalembert (which as he described was actually a Martingale).
Also that EB claims following trends is worthless AND that trends he sees are ONLY in his mind but his thoughts have repercussions on how he can predict them.
Again this is just Lewis Carroll Alice in Wonderland style posting.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 19th, 2023 at 9:52:33 PM
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Quote: Dieter
Please explain how "following trends and patterns" is not a recipe for which bets to make.
I believe you've said that you flat bet, which describes how much the next bet should be.
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Following trends and patterns is at best a betting strategy, a betting method. By no stretch of the imagination is it a betting system. There are no rules, and the requirement of a betting system is that it have rules. This is simply a strategy, there are no rules involved. If there is a trend, many people choose to bet with the trend and some choose to bet against the trend. There is no rule and no system telling you which way to bet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 10:01:14 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfpredict = WRONG WORD according to EB. He claims his selections are educated guesses.
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Yes, this is what I do, I make educated guesses and not predictions.
ed·u·cat·ed guess
noun
a guess based on knowledge and experience and therefore likely to be correct.
Noun. educated guess (plural educated guesses) A well-informed guess or estimate based on experience or knowledge.
educated guess. A thoughtful, well-reasoned guess; a guess with some basis in one's knowledge.
educated guess
noun [ C usually singular ]
a guess that is made using judgment and a particular level of knowledge and is therefore more likely to be correct
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 19th, 2023 at 10:48:27 PM
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Hey, i'm sure if you make an ed·u·cat·ed guess on both the position and the momentum of a quantum particle you'll be correct on both as well as always!
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
August 20th, 2023 at 1:01:44 AM
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How about if I ask you to say something new and old. What is your opinion of the predictive value of the short term trends as shown on the baccarat ( or roulette ) marquee. How about you give your opinion on the profitability of having a goal and hitting and running? How about you give an opinion on the merit of 'educated guesses' of the next baccarat hand or spin of a wheel.Quote: WizardI've been asked to say what I've said about 65,536 times already -- All betting systems are equally worthless.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 20th, 2023 at 1:43:45 AM
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Nicely put Soopoo.Quote: SOOPOOQuote: WizardI've been asked to say what I've said about 65,536 times already -- All betting systems are equally worthless.
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What the members really want you to do is point out the posts in this thread by EB are total babble, without showing even a semblance of understanding even the simplest concepts which apply to gambling/math/statistics.
And then offer him the opportunity to stop posting the abject nonsense he posts. And nuke him if he refuses. This thread is a sewage dump infesting your theoretical gambling expert website.
You’re saying betting systems are worthless is in and of itself worthless in curtailing the nonsense in EB’s posts. As he stated over the years, he beat Roulette with a ‘method’, not a system!
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Wizard has allowed these threads as some kindness and 'giving a fair hearing' to EvenBob, and EvenBob has indeed been offered the opportunity to 'put up or shut up'. But just as he takes the hint to stop posting abject nonsense about his Roulette 'Method', he opens a thread to continue the abject nonsense about trend betting and 'educated guessing' of the next Baccarat hand.
I'll keep saying 'abject nonsense' for as long as I see 'abject nonsense'. That's not to say anything about Evenbob except that he is the source of those posts.
Wizard could do a service to his members by putting to bed the idea that following the trend of a table marquee to gain insight into the next hand is indeed nonsense. Not a winning method.
All we usually get is 'read it or don't' which doesn't do the forum justice. This thread has now been relegated to the Betting Systems (BS) subforum in spite of EvenBob's clever branding of his prowess as 'not a system.' Doing that went part of the way to putting the thread in perspective. There are precedents..
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 20th, 2023 at 1:50:37 AM
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Quote: EvenBobWhen I start posting results of minimum playing this is what it will look like.
My goal was to win two units, I bet five times, had three wins, one loss, one tie.
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Awwww. I searched Youtube and found this old guy who was aspiring to win two units by betting on trends from a baccarat marquee. Hit and run for two unit wins flat betting. Bless his poor misguided soul. At least he profits from the ad revenue to his channel.
https://youtu.be/zUat_jnGy7s?t=29
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 20th, 2023 at 3:06:38 AM
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thought for the day re negative expectancy games such as bacc:
The trend is not your friend
the anti- trend_______________that's not your friend either
you're only friend is Lady Luck
and she's a fickle Lady
she'll love you and leave you
I don't know why people would even bother with trying to beat negative expectancy games such as bacc and roulette with bet selection or money management
there are real opportunities for long term profits in blackjack and sports betting
and machine play too - although I admit I don't know much about that -
it's difficult but it's not all that hard - nothing worth doing comes easy
makes no sense at all to me
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thought for the day re negative expectancy games such as bacc:
The trend is not your friend
the anti- trend_______________that's not your friend either
you're only friend is Lady Luck
and she's a fickle Lady
she'll love you and leave you
I don't know why people would even bother with trying to beat negative expectancy games such as bacc and roulette with bet selection or money management
there are real opportunities for long term profits in blackjack and sports betting
and machine play too - although I admit I don't know much about that -
it's difficult but it's not all that hard - nothing worth doing comes easy
makes no sense at all to me
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
August 20th, 2023 at 5:30:47 AM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: Dieter
Please explain how "following trends and patterns" is not a recipe for which bets to make.
I believe you've said that you flat bet, which describes how much the next bet should be.
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Following trends and patterns is at best a betting strategy, a betting method. By no stretch of the imagination is it a betting system. There are no rules, and the requirement of a betting system is that it have rules. This is simply a strategy, there are no rules involved. If there is a trend, many people choose to bet with the trend and some choose to bet against the trend. There is no rule and no system telling you which way to bet.
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It sounds like you're playing your hunches.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 20th, 2023 at 5:40:17 AM
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Quote: Dieter
It sounds like you're playing your hunches.
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TeLl tHaT tO tHe CaSiNos wHo aRe PayING HIM eVeRy MoNth, lOl
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
August 20th, 2023 at 6:59:08 AM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: EvenBobWhen I start posting results of minimum playing this is what it will look like.
My goal was to win two units, I bet five times, had three wins, one loss, one tie.
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Awwww. I searched Youtube and found this old guy who was aspiring to win two units by betting on trends from a baccarat marquee. Hit and run for two unit wins flat betting. Bless his poor misguided soul. At least he profits from the ad revenue to his channel.
https://youtu.be/zUat_jnGy7s?t=29
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That video shows what the danger is to this forum. Looking at the comments section you see at least one person who believed the hype and then lost their shirt. Then comes back seeking advice what to do.
And that in a nutshell is why posters here are up in arms!
BTW the guy in the video is named Wilson. Close enough to William which is usually nicknamed Bob. Hmmmmm
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
