bjgod
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December 22nd, 2010 at 12:15:30 PM permalink
Over the years I have amassed a rather large fortune from blackjack. I have recently decided to branch out into the game of roulette because of heat from the pit. I daresay that every casino in the country has seen my picture at one point. I will be incorporating this strategy in live play only with a ten spin max per session or $50 a session, which ever will come first. In what ever game I play I always use session goals as i believe that is the fastest way to become rich from gambling. Whether it be profit goals in blackjack or max spins a session in roulette. So here is my system...
My bankroll will be $5000, I will be betting $5 on 6 of the numbers in the middle column, and $50 on the left and right 2to1's. The probability of it being a winning spin is 81% of the time. The ball landing on a winning number in the middle column wins a profit of $50. The profit on a L or R column win is $20. I have a max spin limit of 10 and a session goal of $50. I'm no math wiz but that sounds like a winning session almost 100% of the time if not 100% of the time. I would appreciate sim results if anyone can muster it. I plan on using it either way but want to know the exact math either way. Thanks! If someone is going tosim would you mind a 10, 20, 30 or 40 spin max to check thrate that it will win $50.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 12:25:30 PM permalink
When you say "middle column" which numbers are you selecting or is it random?
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December 22nd, 2010 at 12:50:17 PM permalink
Middle 2 to 1 only change 1 number after a win. I know that the chance of that number hitting again is the same but more times than none it wont happen.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 12:53:47 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

So here is my system...
My bankroll will be $5000, I will be betting $5 on 6 of the numbers in the middle column, and $50 on the left and right 2to1's. The probability of it being a winning spin is 81% of the time. The ball landing on a winning number in the middle column wins a profit of $50. The profit on a L or R column win is $20. I have a max spin limit of 10 and a session goal of $100. I'm no math wiz but that sounds like a winning session almost 100% of the time if not 100% of the time.


Here we go again...
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December 22nd, 2010 at 12:55:09 PM permalink
Quote: TheNightfly

Here we go again...



Yeah - freakin' blast isn't it?
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:06:40 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

If someone is going tosim would you mind a 10, 20, 30 or 40 spin max to check thrate that it will win $100.


For a better sim, need to know exactly how to program the computer when you say bet 6 numbers in middle column. Need an exact betting method.
Here is the results on 4 sims, 10 spins $100 session goal..
50% session loss rate.
Was worse at higher spins!
I say you need to go back to the drawing board!

Edit: I see you have already changed your session win goal!
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet LayoutNet
0      4000 -170
121Bet130150-1302040205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
22Bet1300-130-13038905 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
30Bet1300-130-13037605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
436Bet130150-1302037805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
59Bet130150-1302038005 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
67Bet130150-1302038205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
722Bet130150-1302038405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
826Bet1300-130-13037105 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
92Bet1300-130-13035805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
1023Bet130180-1305036305 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C-370
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet Layout 
0      4000  
11Bet130150-1302040205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
25Bet130180-1305040705 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
315Bet130150-1302040905 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
423Bet130180-1305041405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C140
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet Layout 
0      4000  
12Bet1300-130-13038705 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
26Bet130150-1302038905 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
312Bet130150-1302039105 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
45Bet130180-1305039605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
518Bet130150-1302039805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
635Bet130180-1305040305 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
712Bet130150-1302040505 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
831Bet130150-1302040705 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
90Bet1300-130-13039405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
1033Bet130150-1302039605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C-40
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet Layout 
0      4000  
16Bet130150-1302040205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
222Bet130150-1302040405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
315Bet130150-1302040605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
49Bet130150-1302040805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
531Bet130150-1302041005 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C100
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:07:21 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

I will be betting $5 on 6 of the numbers in the middle column, and $50 on the left and right 2to1's. The probability of it being a winning spin is 81% of the time. The ball landing on a winning number in the middle column wins a profit of $50. The profit on a L or R column win is $20. I have a max spin limit of 10 and a session goal of $100. I'm no math wiz but that sounds like a winning session almost 100% of the time if not 100% of the time. I would appreciate sim results if anyone can muster it. I plan on using it either way but want to know the exact math either way. Thanks!

OK. 24 times you'll get a $20 profit. 6 times you get a $50 profit. And the other 6 numbers, plus zero, is seven times you lose $130.

24 * 20 = 480
6 * 50 = 300
7 * 130 = -910
480 + 300 - 910 = -130

So if you were to place the bet 37 times, getting each result once, you'd be down $130.

Hmmm.... Total risk vs total loss:

37 * 130 = 4,810
-130 / 4,810 = -0.027027

Hmmm.... Remind me.... What's the house edge on Single Zero roulette again?
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:15:03 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

OK. 24 times you'll get a $20 profit. 6 times you get a $50 profit. And the other 6 numbers, plus zero, is seven times you lose $130.

24 * 20 = 480
6 * 50 = 300
7 * 130 = -910
480 + 300 - 910 = -130

So if you were to place the bet 37 times, getting each result once, you'd be down $130.

Hmmm.... Total risk vs total loss:

37 * 130 = 4,810
-130 / 4,810 = -0.027027

Hmmm.... Remind me.... What's the house edge on Single Zero roulette again?




Your numbers contradict the math of the game. Those numbers are based on that each number will hit in a thirty seven spin cycle. Which believe it or not wont happen. HMMMMMMMMM. Remind me again what the chances are that that will happen...... Each and every spin I have have a 81% chance of winning. House edge believe it or not is actually based on the theory that each number will hit once in 37 spins. So based on that I think I will follow the math that say my system will win 81% of the time and work night and day till can win 100% of the time with a session goal.....
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:17:59 PM permalink
Quote: nope27

For a better sim, need to know exactly how to program the computer when you say bet 6 numbers in middle column. Need an exact betting method.
Here is the results on 4 sims, 10 spins $100 session goal..
50% session loss rate.
Was worse at higher spins!
I say you need to go back to the drawing board!

Edit: I see you have already changed your session win goal!

SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet LayoutNet
0      4000 -170
121Bet130150-1302040205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
22Bet1300-130-13038905 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
30Bet1300-130-13037605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
436Bet130150-1302037805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
59Bet130150-1302038005 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
67Bet130150-1302038205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
722Bet130150-1302038405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
826Bet1300-130-13037105 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
92Bet1300-130-13035805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
1023Bet130180-1305036305 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C-370
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet Layout 
0      4000  
11Bet130150-1302040205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
25Bet130180-1305040705 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
315Bet130150-1302040905 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
423Bet130180-1305041405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C140
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet Layout 
0      4000  
12Bet1300-130-13038705 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
26Bet130150-1302038905 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
312Bet130150-1302039105 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
45Bet130180-1305039605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
518Bet130150-1302039805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
635Bet130180-1305040305 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
712Bet130150-1302040505 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
831Bet130150-1302040705 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
90Bet1300-130-13039405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
1033Bet130150-1302039605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C-40
SpinNumberTypeBet UnitWinLossNetUnit Bal.Bet Layout 
0      4000  
16Bet130150-1302040205 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
222Bet130150-1302040405 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
315Bet130150-1302040605 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C 
49Bet130150-1302040805 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column Csession net
531Bet130150-1302041005 : 5,11,17,23,29,35 ; 50 : Column A,Column C100





Keep the bets the same! And your number generator seems biased on the numbers that are not bet!
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:20:24 PM permalink
Can't this please be the end of this thread... do we need to go through the 98steps, mrjjj et al. stuff all over again? Does anyone here think that any amount of information or any number of posts is going to sway someone who posts stuff like this?

I don't mean to come off as rude bjgod but your system doesn't, won't and cannot work. If you believe otherwise then that's your choice.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:20:41 PM permalink
And with nopes runs if I stop at a profit I win each time!
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:22:32 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod





Keep the bets the same! And your number generator seems biased on the numbers that are not bet!


All bets are the same.
Cant you read a table?
Spins are actual single zero roulette wheel spins I tracked personally.
No RNG there.
Good Luck!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:27:04 PM permalink
Quote: nope27

All bets are the same.
Cant you read a table?
Spins are actual single zero roulette wheel spins I tracked personally.
No RNG there.
Good Luck!



Sorry for sounding like a conceded asshole Alright thanks for info. I just need to make a system that will make a profit all the time. And make a bet that will be worth it after 1 win above the bankroll!!!!!!!! Could you tell me is that possible!
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:27:47 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

And with nopes runs if I stop at a profit I win each time!


I only showed you a snap shot of the first 4 sessions.

I ran 500 of them.

You claimed to win close to or 100% of you sessions.
You did not in any of my sessions come even close to winning 90% of the sessions.

14% of the sessions NEVER even showed a net profit at any point for 10, 20,40 spins

Again I used actual spins I tracked from a real single zero roulette wheel in a real casino with a real live dealer.
Believe what you wish.

I still say, you need to go back to the drawing board!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:28:36 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

I just need to make a system that will make a profit all the time.



Sorry, couldn't resist.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:30:17 PM permalink
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Sorry for sounding like a conceded asshole Alright thanks for info. I just need to make a system that will make a profit all the time. And make a bet that will be worth it after 1 win above the bankroll!!!!!!!! Could you tell me is that possible!


Don't be sorry.
Be smarter.
again 12.3% of my sessions, I have now run 5,000 of them still show at no point were you ahead before 10, 20 or 40 spins
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:30:42 PM permalink
Quote: nope27

I only showed you a snap shot of the first 4 sessions.

I ran 500 of them.

You claimed to win close to or 100% of you sessions.
You did not in any of my sessions come even close to winning 90% of the sessions.

14% of the sessions NEVER even showed a net profit at any point for 10, 20,40 spins

Again I used actual spins I tracked from a real single zero roulette wheel in a real casino with a real live dealer.
Believe what you wish.

I still say, you need to go back to the drawing board!



I said I look to win I will not apply it until I find a betting amount that will and a bankroll that will allow it!
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:33:22 PM permalink
Quote: RPToro

Sorry, couldn't resist.


I can understand how you can win at blackjack as you have claimed.

At roulette. I doubt it could be done consistently.
At least I have yet to see any system come close.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:33:49 PM permalink
I am capable of intelligent thought. I did come up with a session limit system in black jack that wins 100% of the time. Although without the session limit it has a win rate of pennies an hour and that increases with each double up of the bankroll. I could give you the parameters for that if you like!
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:34:25 PM permalink
Quote: nope27

I can understand how you can win at blackjack as you have claimed.

At roulette. I doubt it could be done consistently.
At least I have yet to see any system come close.



Thank you.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:35:09 PM permalink
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I said I look to win I will not apply it until I find a betting amount that will and a bankroll that will allow it!



It may end up taking a very large bankroll, with a low session win goal and very low average bets.
Good Luck
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:38:17 PM permalink
It is just going to be something I will use when I cannot play blackjack. It was a heat discussion for a while wasn't it. Good luck to you too.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:38:59 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

Your numbers contradict the math of the game. Those numbers are based on that each number will hit in a thirty seven spin cycle. Which believe it or not wont happen. HMMMMMMMMM. Remind me again what the chances are that that will happen...... Each and every spin I have have a 81% chance of winning. House edge believe it or not is actually based on the theory that each number will hit once in 37 spins. So based on that I think I will follow the math that say my system will win 81% of the time and work night and day till can win 100% of the time with a session goal.....

I suggest that you go out and follow your strategy religiously and heavily. When you achieve bankruptcy, come back here and let someone explain to you where you went wrong. At that point, you might be more willing to listen. In your spare time along the way, you might consider studying statistics just a little bit.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:40:22 PM permalink
Read the rest of the posts
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December 22nd, 2010 at 2:12:27 PM permalink
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Read the rest of the posts


http://www.uxsoftware.com/pages/index.html

Roulette Xtreme has an excellent simulator for a free 30 day trial and only $30 to register.
You can set up any type on programming, takes a little reading to learn the programming code and includes examples of others code, but if you are serious to try Roulette, get the software.

It will save you time and take out all the guess work.
You also can download actual roulette spins from a Euro Casino right thru the software.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 2:21:37 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

Keep the bets the same! And your number generator seems biased on the numbers that are not bet!



I am sure, this is the problem! :)

Quote:

Each and every spin I have have a 81% chance of winning.


Yes. 81% chance to win either $50 or $20, and 19% to lose $130. On average, you will lose $130/37 = $3.51 on each spin on a single zero wheel or about seven bucks with double zeroes.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 2:22:25 PM permalink
"Roulette strategy" is an oxymoron.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 3:02:12 PM permalink
I suspect bjgod is Mr. Jjj. The absurdity level is through the roof.

Is there any chance that we can get an IP check here on aisle 12?
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December 22nd, 2010 at 3:21:22 PM permalink
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Over the years I have amassed a rather large fortune from blackjack. .



Translation: I won a few thousand.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 3:22:58 PM permalink
I wonder if he bought have of an Italian Restaurant (cough) with his winnings.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 3:29:03 PM permalink
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I suggest that you go out and follow your strategy religiously and heavily.



Exactly. Take this infallible system to the casino and make the biggest bets you can for as long as you can. Thats always my advice to roulette system players. Don't try and convince us you're right, we're not going to pay you anything. The casino, on the other hand, pays winners very well.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 4:07:29 PM permalink
Quote: bjgod

Sorry for sounding like a conceded asshole Alright thanks for info. I just need to make a system that will make a profit all the time. ... Could you tell me is that possible!


Sorry, but it's not possible -- not that people haven't been trying for nearly 500 years. Read "The Gambler" by Dostoyevsky.

If your system wins 81% of the time, it loses 19% of the time. Any system where you can lose at all can't be guaranteed to "make a profit all the time".
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December 22nd, 2010 at 4:11:20 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist



If your system wins 81% of the time, it loses 19% of the time. Any system where you can lose at all can't be guaranteed to "make a profit all the time".



I played around with this for fun on RX for a few minutes. It seems to do very well or very badly. One session stayed in profit for over 400 spins. Another session was never in profit. In the casino, playing for real money, this would break you just as fast as throwing your chips randomly on the layout. Have fun...
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December 22nd, 2010 at 4:46:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I played around with this for fun on RX for a few minutes. It seems to do very well or very badly. One session stayed in profit for over 400 spins. Another session was never in profit. In the casino, playing for real money, this would break you just as fast as throwing your chips randomly on the layout. Have fun...



You can do similarly by just taking 5 chips and putting 3 on 1-18 and 2 on 25-36 (or, alternately, 3 on 19-36 and 2 on 1-12). High probability of winning 1 chip. Low probability of losing 5 chips.
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December 22nd, 2010 at 11:47:03 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Translation: I won a few thousand.

Try a few...... Do the math and you might get an estimate of what I have taken. How many times I have been barred backed off hands told to bet the minimum, how many times they have shuffled after every hand. When I started I toke a bankroll of $500 played dd games, any rules with a max of 5 rounds, and a session goal of $50. Hit it every single time using the Hi-lo count, I18 and fab4 with a bet spread of 1-5. Put the parameters in blackjack sim 100% win rate with session goal and pennies an hour win rate without a session goal. So after I doubled up I doubled my bets session goal of $100 bankroll of $1000. Now I play single deck games and pretty much am only allowed to play the worst conditions possible. I did this again and again until I reached my current bankroll which is five bankrolls of $30,000 with a minimum bet of $500... short of a double yes but those numbers are rounded down. I am never in a casino for more than 20 minutes. If I was my average action an hour would be about $70,000 to about $85,000 an hour. The numbers speak for themselves. The math isn't wrong. I have nothing to prove to you so I don't care if you believe it or not. It would benefit you if you did and also incorporated this strategy into your casino arsenal but hey I cant sway everybody can I!
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December 23rd, 2010 at 3:41:53 AM permalink
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Try a few...... Do the math and you might get an estimate of what I have taken. How many times I have been barred backed off hands told to bet the minimum, how many times they have shuffled after every hand. When I started I toke a bankroll of $500 played dd games, any rules with a max of 5 rounds, and a session goal of $50. Hit it every single time using the Hi-lo count, I18 and fab4 with a bet spread of 1-5. Put the parameters in blackjack sim 100% win rate with session goal and pennies an hour win rate without a session goal. So after I doubled up I doubled my bets session goal of $100 bankroll of $1000. Now I play single deck games and pretty much am only allowed to play the worst conditions possible. I did this again and again until I reached my current bankroll which is five bankrolls of $30,000 with a minimum bet of $500... short of a double yes but those numbers are rounded down. I am never in a casino for more than 20 minutes. If I was my average action an hour would be about $70,000 to about $85,000 an hour. The numbers speak for themselves. The math isn't wrong. I have nothing to prove to you so I don't care if you believe it or not. It would benefit you if you did and also incorporated this strategy into your casino arsenal but hey I cant sway everybody can I!



Please remember that this board has some of the brightest mathematicians and analysts that can be found anywhere.

I'm sure you can find a captivating audience somewhere out there but this is not the forum for tall tales.
bjgod
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December 23rd, 2010 at 4:21:44 AM permalink
Quote: benbakdoff

Please remember that this board has some of the brightest mathematicians and analysts that can be found anywhere.

I'm sure you can find a captivating audience somewhere out there but this is not the forum for tall tales.



And I am also sure you could find a retractive statement for any negative comments about the strategy if you just used it in a casino...For the strategy not to work you would have to lose your whole bank before being 3 hands ahead. Thats the math. You would have to say that AP Blackjack is bullshit because you would have to say that it is impossible for An AP player to be three wins ahead before he loses his bankroll. You would have to say that blackjack is a 100% losing game even more so than Roulette. Also for the strategy not to work you would have to say that the MATHEMATICIANS that wrote the CASINO VERITE Data Simulator software were wrong in their analysis and that probably the best Blackjack game and simulation software available is worthless and anyone who invest's their money in it is getting scammed. Are you telling me that men like Stanford Wong shouldn't back up the program and in the process saying that one of blackjacks greatest minds is a Floppy Quack... I sure hope not because then you would be a contradiction wouldn't you. I would like you to come up with a intelligent contraction to prove me wrong.
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
bjgod
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December 23rd, 2010 at 4:49:06 AM permalink
Wow I thought that someone of the 20 people that have looked at the new post since it was up would have posted something. But I guess they finally understood that it is either sound proof if played perfectly or they dont want to anger the blackjack gods by denying mathematical fact and AP TRUTH!
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
weaselman
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December 23rd, 2010 at 4:58:55 AM permalink
Quote: bjgod

Wow I thought that someone of the 20 people that have looked at the new post since it was up would have posted something. But I guess they finally understood that it is either sound proof if played perfectly or they dont want to anger the blackjack gods by denying mathematical fact and AP TRUTH!


Don't flatter yourself, it's much simpler than that - they just realized there is no arguing with you, so it's better to let it go.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
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December 23rd, 2010 at 5:03:31 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

Don't flatter yourself, it's much simpler than that - they just realized there is no arguing with you, so it's better to let it go.



So you are saying that the casino Verite writters are wrong and that ap play does not exist and that it is impossible for an ap player to be three hands ahead each and every time and that it is more possible that you will lose your bankroll before you are three hands ahead... I dont think so and if you are then you are insulting hundreds of mathematians, ap players, and blackjack professionals.
I am a blackjack machine programed to take in cards and shit out money!
WizardofEngland
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December 23rd, 2010 at 5:06:14 AM permalink
Lol, who is this guy? Like someone has fell into the lions enclosure...
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
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December 23rd, 2010 at 5:14:39 AM permalink
oops. duplicate
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weaselman
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December 23rd, 2010 at 5:14:57 AM permalink
Quote: bjgod

So you are saying that the casino Verite writters are wrong and that ap play does not exist and that it is impossible



No. I offer no opinion on this "casino Verite" thingy, as I don't know what it has to do with anything. It is most certainly impossible to "be three hands ahead" (or to have anything at all happen for that matter) "each and every time" for anyone, in any game of chance, unless it is rigged with deterministic results. But I don't know what that has to do with anything either.


More importantly, nobody is going to take you seriously now, that you started pitching for your *roulette* system. If you want it so badly that everyone believes you you made any decent money on ap play, you are better off changing your nick (to something less presumptuous, perhaps), and starting over. Also, when you do, don't mention "sessions" (it's a completely meaningless notion), and just go on bragging about how rich you are from all those millions you made on blackjack.
But even then ... you see, nobody really cares how much money you say you have, or even how much money you really have. It doesn't matter, so, chances are, you are not going to attract very much attention with it either.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
benbakdoff
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December 23rd, 2010 at 5:18:38 AM permalink
I think the blackjack machine is constipated.
MathExtremist
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December 23rd, 2010 at 9:12:13 AM permalink
Quote: bjgod

So you are saying that the casino Verite writters are wrong and that ap play does not exist and that it is impossible for an ap player to be three hands ahead each and every time and that it is more possible that you will lose your bankroll before you are three hands ahead... I dont think so and if you are then you are insulting hundreds of mathematians, ap players, and blackjack professionals.


I'm one of those mathematicians, and I am confirming that it is impossible for a player (any player) to be three hands ahead *each and every time* in any casino game where you and the casino have a finite bankroll and lifespan. If that doesn't seem intuitively correct, here's how to think about it:

1) You need to win N+3 out of 2N+3 bets in order to be +3.
2) You're starting at 0. It is possible to lose your first bet, putting you at -1. From there, you need to win N+4 out of 2N+4 bets in order to be +3.
3) From -1, it is possible to lose your next bet, putting you at -2. From there, you need to win N+5 out of 2N+5 bets in order to be +3.

Therefore, it is possible for you to get to -100 (I assume $5 bets, $500 bankroll) and bust out. Call the probability of busting out PB, where 1 > PB > 0. If you always keep playing until -100 or +3, then the probability of getting to +3 is 1-PB. Obviously 1-PB >> PB, but also 1 > 1-PB > PB > 0. Since 1 > 1-PB, the probability of getting to +3 is less than 100%. In other words, you are not guaranteed to get to +3. Q.E.D.

Obviously this ignores split/double/BJ considerations, but those don't change the result much.

The only way you can guarantee a +3 result is in a theoretical infinite random walk scenario, but it turns out that all results are equally likely if you go forever. Blackjack isn't such a scenario - you have neither infinite money nor infinite time, and neither does the casino.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
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December 23rd, 2010 at 9:25:34 AM permalink
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