lifei258
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April 6th, 2022 at 10:58:38 PM permalink
In the new baccarat mode, who can calculate the probability and how to count cards to get +EV.

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Introduction
Colorful bccarat, based on traditional baccarat, is innovative in adding color cards to white cards to play games, with varied cards and exciting games!

Five unique color brand group
By removing the unnecessary cards (Q, K) in traditional baccarat cards, additional white cards are added to the original four color cards to create more variations and possibilities for colorful baccarat.


Game play
“Colorful baccarat" , 8 decks of cards per shoe (55 cards per deck, each card has 4 kinds of color and 1 white card, each color card has 11 cards for 1-11) to carry out, the number of game card totals of 440.

"Player" and"Banker" are each dealt out, to "Player" first, such as the first round of the winner is no longer need to be follow by "card rules" made the second round of cards, up to 3 cards per side, the outcome of such decisions,and the same points will be a tie.

How to Win
Baccarat will deal out two cards of<<Banker>>and<<Player>>

When the sum of the two cards has a sum of only one is negative, the total number of negative side to win the total number of positive side.


When the sum of the two cards is positive, the winner wins by 9 or the nearest 9 points.


When the sum of the two cards is negative, the player with the highest absolute value wins.


Player and Banker, as long as there is a negative number, the two cards face points difference is greater than 11, no need to draw cards, directly determine the outcome.


Rules of game and cards
CardColor 1-11 : The number of points


CardWhite 1-11 : The number of negative points


When the sum of the cards is positive, only the sum of digits is taken as the number of the home (8 + (-7) = 1, the number of points recorded as +1, 5 +9 +6 = 20, the home points recorded as 0).The positive value +9 is the highest, the negative value -33 is the highest. Negative number (-) larger thanpositive (+).

Rules of drawing card following two situations:

A. Positive (+) :

When Player, Banker first two cards are positive numbers, the play is similar to the traditional baccarat, the difference between draw card rules, After two cards dealt out, if need to draw a card, in accordance with the rules of a draw card tothe need to win more cards.
When the player draw card finish, if the banker can not change the game results, the banker no need to draw.
(Example: The Banker cards 10+1=1 , player cards 7+3+(-11)=-11 , if the banker can not change the game results, the banker no need to draw, player wins)

Player , Banker points of card Draw card rules
0~+5points Always draw on
+6~+7points Always stand on
+8~+9points Natural win

B. negative(-):

When Player, Banker first two cards for the sum of negative numbers, the draw card rules will follow the difference between the two hands of not more than 11 (if the player and the banker has the same points of negative number, the smallest negativenumber will draw a card.)

Draw card rules:

Banker point lower than player point, banker will draw a card to determine a win or loss.
Player point lower than the banker point, player will draw a card as below to follow:
(1) The total player’s card points equal to the total point of the banker, the game is a Tie.
(2) The total player’s card points after draw third card less than the banker’s card points, banker wins.
(3) The total player’s card points after draw third card more than the banker’s card points, the banker will
Player Banker Negative card
4+5+(-10)=(-1) 1+(-2)=(-1) Player according to thenegative number of cases need to draw, after the banker and player draw card for the same point is tie.
4+5+(-5)=+4 1+(-2)=(-1) Player according to thenegative number needs to draw card, after the draw, banker points still leading, banker wins.
6+8+(-11)=-7 6+(-8)+1=-1 Player according to the negative number needs to draw card, after the draw and player points still leading,the banker will draw card to determine a win or loss,banker loss
Same points :
A. The first two cards, no matter any card face, appear as long as the total number of cards is the same, the game will stop.

Example: Player: 5 + (-5) = 0, Banker: 7 +3 = 0, without draw card, the game is a Tie.

B. In the event of the need to draw the third card, the sum of the points of the player's card equal the sum of the points of the Banker’s card, taking into the account of the following + positive or – negative rules, the banker will follow needto draw or not.

player banker Same points rules
2+1+2=5 2+3=5(need to draw) Player card after draw Same points games, the Banker under the positive number of cases need to draw card
3+2+1=6 5+1=6(No need to draw) Player card after draw the card is Same points games, the banker according to the card rules do not need to draw card is Tie
2+(-3)=-1 7+2+(-10)=-1 Banker according to the negative number of cases need to draw card, draw card for the same points is Tie
7+2+(-11)=-2 2+(-4)=-2 Players are required to draw cards according to egative Numbers is Tie

Payout odds
Bets Odds Description
Bet – Player 1 : 1 At 6 points, the odds are 0.5
Bet – Banker 1 : 0.95 --
Bet – Tie 1 : 8 Return all bets
Side bet +2 1 : 1.5 The winner wins with2 cards, and the sum of all points wins +2
Side bet +3 1 : 3 The winning side wins with3 cards, and the sum of points on the winning side is +3
Side bet -2 1 : 1.5 The winner wins with 2 cards , and the sum of the points wins is -2
Side bet -3 1 : 5 The winner wins with3 cards, and the sum of the points wins is -3
Common problem
Player and Banker cards point were positive and negative, which side need to draw card?
Ans : If the Player and Banker cards less than 11 points, the positive side ( loss side) will draw a card.
Player and Banker cards point was negative, which side need to draw card?
Ans : As above , if the Player and Banker cards difference of 11 points or less, the draw card rules will follow the difference between the two hands of not more than 11.
Example: The Banker cards (-5) + 3 = -2 , player cards (-4) + 1 = -3 , banker need to draw.
Assuming the first two cards for the player is 4, banker is 6, the sum of the cards is positive, player need to draw a card, if the draw is -5 and total point is -1, banker need to draw a card?
Ans:If the first two cards are positive numbers, will draw a card accordance with the card rules, for the banker is 6 or 7 points, no need to draw a card.
Assuming the first two cards for the player is 3, banker is 7, the sum of the cards is positive, player need to draw a card, if the draw is 5 and the total is 8, banker need to draw a card?
Ans:If the first two cards are positive numbers, will draw a card accordance with the card rules, for the banker is 6 or 7 points, no need to draw a card.
he Player always draws a card first than banker?
Ans:Yes, after banker draws a card will determine to the final result, the player no need to draw.
Assuming the first two cards of the number of points were 6 points and 8 points, won the third card points for the 11 points, the total number of points is 6 +8 + (- 11) = 3?
Ans:No, this case should be the first two cards and the number of points, and then take a single digit and then add the third card points, the correct points are 6 +8 + (- 11) = - 7
Hunterhill
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April 6th, 2022 at 11:06:44 PM permalink
This sounds way too complicated. I don’t think people will play this.
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billryan
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April 6th, 2022 at 11:22:39 PM permalink
You might be able to exploit dealer mistakes as the game seems overly complicated.
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ssho88
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April 7th, 2022 at 1:51:53 AM permalink
Quote: lifei258

In the new baccarat mode, who can calculate the probability and how to count cards to get +EV.

rule:

Introduction
Colorful bccarat, based on traditional baccarat, is innovative in adding color cards to white cards to play games, with varied cards and exciting games!

Five unique color brand group
By removing the unnecessary cards (Q, K) in traditional baccarat cards, additional white cards are added to the original four color cards to create more variations and possibilities for colorful baccarat.


Game play
“Colorful baccarat" , 8 decks of cards per shoe (55 cards per deck, each card has 4 kinds of color and 1 white card, each color card has 11 cards for 1-11) to carry out, the number of game card totals of 440.

"Player" and"Banker" are each dealt out, to "Player" first, such as the first round of the winner is no longer need to be follow by "card rules" made the second round of cards, up to 3 cards per side, the outcome of such decisions,and the same points will be a tie.

How to Win
Baccarat will deal out two cards of<<Banker>>and<<Player>>

When the sum of the two cards has a sum of only one is negative, the total number of negative side to win the total number of positive side.


When the sum of the two cards is positive, the winner wins by 9 or the nearest 9 points.


When the sum of the two cards is negative, the player with the highest absolute value wins.


Player and Banker, as long as there is a negative number, the two cards face points difference is greater than 11, no need to draw cards, directly determine the outcome.


Rules of game and cards
CardColor 1-11 : The number of points


CardWhite 1-11 : The number of negative points


When the sum of the cards is positive, only the sum of digits is taken as the number of the home (8 + (-7) = 1, the number of points recorded as +1, 5 +9 +6 = 20, the home points recorded as 0).The positive value +9 is the highest, the negative value -33 is the highest. Negative number (-) larger thanpositive (+).

Rules of drawing card following two situations:

A. Positive (+) :

When Player, Banker first two cards are positive numbers, the play is similar to the traditional baccarat, the difference between draw card rules, After two cards dealt out, if need to draw a card, in accordance with the rules of a draw card tothe need to win more cards.
When the player draw card finish, if the banker can not change the game results, the banker no need to draw.
(Example: The Banker cards 10+1=1 , player cards 7+3+(-11)=-11 , if the banker can not change the game results, the banker no need to draw, player wins)

Player , Banker points of card Draw card rules
0~+5points Always draw on
+6~+7points Always stand on
+8~+9points Natural win

B. negative(-):

When Player, Banker first two cards for the sum of negative numbers, the draw card rules will follow the difference between the two hands of not more than 11 (if the player and the banker has the same points of negative number, the smallest negativenumber will draw a card.)

Draw card rules:

Banker point lower than player point, banker will draw a card to determine a win or loss.
Player point lower than the banker point, player will draw a card as below to follow:
(1) The total player’s card points equal to the total point of the banker, the game is a Tie.
(2) The total player’s card points after draw third card less than the banker’s card points, banker wins.
(3) The total player’s card points after draw third card more than the banker’s card points, the banker will
Player Banker Negative card
4+5+(-10)=(-1) 1+(-2)=(-1) Player according to thenegative number of cases need to draw, after the banker and player draw card for the same point is tie.
4+5+(-5)=+4 1+(-2)=(-1) Player according to thenegative number needs to draw card, after the draw, banker points still leading, banker wins.
6+8+(-11)=-7 6+(-8)+1=-1 Player according to the negative number needs to draw card, after the draw and player points still leading,the banker will draw card to determine a win or loss,banker loss
Same points :
A. The first two cards, no matter any card face, appear as long as the total number of cards is the same, the game will stop.

Example: Player: 5 + (-5) = 0, Banker: 7 +3 = 0, without draw card, the game is a Tie.

B. In the event of the need to draw the third card, the sum of the points of the player's card equal the sum of the points of the Banker’s card, taking into the account of the following + positive or – negative rules, the banker will follow needto draw or not.

player banker Same points rules
2+1+2=5 2+3=5(need to draw) Player card after draw Same points games, the Banker under the positive number of cases need to draw card
3+2+1=6 5+1=6(No need to draw) Player card after draw the card is Same points games, the banker according to the card rules do not need to draw card is Tie
2+(-3)=-1 7+2+(-10)=-1 Banker according to the negative number of cases need to draw card, draw card for the same points is Tie
7+2+(-11)=-2 2+(-4)=-2 Players are required to draw cards according to egative Numbers is Tie

Payout odds
Bets Odds Description
Bet – Player 1 : 1 At 6 points, the odds are 0.5
Bet – Banker 1 : 0.95 --
Bet – Tie 1 : 8 Return all bets
Side bet +2 1 : 1.5 The winner wins with2 cards, and the sum of all points wins +2
Side bet +3 1 : 3 The winning side wins with3 cards, and the sum of points on the winning side is +3
Side bet -2 1 : 1.5 The winner wins with 2 cards , and the sum of the points wins is -2
Side bet -3 1 : 5 The winner wins with3 cards, and the sum of the points wins is -3
Common problem
Player and Banker cards point were positive and negative, which side need to draw card?
Ans : If the Player and Banker cards less than 11 points, the positive side ( loss side) will draw a card.
Player and Banker cards point was negative, which side need to draw card?
Ans : As above , if the Player and Banker cards difference of 11 points or less, the draw card rules will follow the difference between the two hands of not more than 11.
Example: The Banker cards (-5) + 3 = -2 , player cards (-4) + 1 = -3 , banker need to draw.
Assuming the first two cards for the player is 4, banker is 6, the sum of the cards is positive, player need to draw a card, if the draw is -5 and total point is -1, banker need to draw a card?
Ans:If the first two cards are positive numbers, will draw a card accordance with the card rules, for the banker is 6 or 7 points, no need to draw a card.
Assuming the first two cards for the player is 3, banker is 7, the sum of the cards is positive, player need to draw a card, if the draw is 5 and the total is 8, banker need to draw a card?
Ans:If the first two cards are positive numbers, will draw a card accordance with the card rules, for the banker is 6 or 7 points, no need to draw a card.
he Player always draws a card first than banker?
Ans:Yes, after banker draws a card will determine to the final result, the player no need to draw.
Assuming the first two cards of the number of points were 6 points and 8 points, won the third card points for the 11 points, the total number of points is 6 +8 + (- 11) = 3?
Ans:No, this case should be the first two cards and the number of points, and then take a single digit and then add the third card points, the correct points are 6 +8 + (- 11) = - 7
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I did a simulation analysis of this game quite a while ago, BANKER and PLAYER are not beatable with card counting(87.5% penetration). TIE may have some betting opportunities if penetration exceeds 7/8. The house edge of those side bets is between -21% to -33%.

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lifei258
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April 7th, 2022 at 8:50:35 PM permalink
是的,谢谢
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April 7th, 2022 at 9:29:02 PM permalink
There are a handful of people who make their living analyzing games for game inventors.

Before anyone answers this question for free, please be advised you are taking rice out of the bowl of somebody trying to make an honest living providing a service.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
ssho88
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April 8th, 2022 at 1:37:22 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There are a handful of people who make their living analyzing games for game inventors.

Before anyone answers this question for free, please be advised you are taking rice out of the bowl of somebody trying to make an honest living providing a service.
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I did not disclose the details of the analysis. I hope what I'm posting here doesn't take rice out of someone's bowl.
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April 8th, 2022 at 1:40:04 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There are a handful of people who make their living analyzing games for game inventors.

Before anyone answers this question for free, please be advised you are taking rice out of the bowl of somebody trying to make an honest living providing a service.
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I’m pretty sure Full Color Games already has their math done. They were at G2E many years ago. I think I have a deck of their cards.
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Full Color® Games can be played in every format, on every device and every platform available in both real and virtual money casinos. Full Color® Games is certified for real money gaming by BMM & GLI Independent Test Labs and certified, licensed and audited by the Curacao & Malta Gaming Authority.

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April 8th, 2022 at 1:44:55 AM permalink
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Quote: Wizard

There are a handful of people who make their living analyzing games for game inventors.

Before anyone answers this question for free, please be advised you are taking rice out of the bowl of somebody trying to make an honest living providing a service.
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I’m pretty sure Full Color Games already has their math done. They were at G2E many years ago. I think I have a deck of their cards.
Quote: Their website

Full Color® Games can be played in every format, on every device and every platform available in both real and virtual money casinos. Full Color® Games is certified for real money gaming by BMM & GLI Independent Test Labs and certified, licensed and audited by the Curacao & Malta Gaming Authority.


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This game has been on the market for over 2 years and I believe the game provider has asked someone to analyze it before introducing it.
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April 8th, 2022 at 5:24:25 AM permalink
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This game has been on the market for over 2 years and I believe the game provider has asked someone to analyze it before introducing it.
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If anyone can point to a placement of this game, I would be happy to analyze it.

I'm not sure what is going on with the OP, but I feel that game inventors should be paying somebody to help with their math.
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