Neo12Blast
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February 9th, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM permalink
I have a new system that I would like to runs thousands of simulations on with Roulette play.

Is there any program or software that I could plug and play my thesis onto, like the one that Wizard of Odds uses to analyze betting systems on YouTube?

Thanks
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February 9th, 2022 at 1:41:13 PM permalink
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February 9th, 2022 at 1:43:53 PM permalink
Sorry, I'm not sure where to look for help, I'm new here.
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February 9th, 2022 at 2:03:04 PM permalink
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Sorry, I'm not sure where to look for help, I'm new here.
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Someone will be able to give you an answer to your question.
I’m not that person unfortunately. The snarky response you received is based on this….. Why in the world would anyone want to test out a roulette system? If it is on double zero roulette whatever system you pick will lose 5.26% of however much money you bet. If it is on a single zero wheel you will lose 2.7% of however much money you wager.

If you are designing a system just to see how quickly you lose, or how to maximize or minimize variance as an academic exercise, there are those here who can help.

If for one second you think it is possible to devise a ‘system’ to ‘beat’ roulette, you will deserve all subsequent snarky responses.
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February 9th, 2022 at 2:06:41 PM permalink
You're better off in another forum, Neo12Blast. People around these parts don't believe in gambling for fun, and there's a lot of high-school-grade drama going on all the time.
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February 9th, 2022 at 2:19:38 PM permalink
I'm aware of the odds and stats and impossibility of beating the law of large numbers based on expectation.

But I have something different where I want to analyze the results when playing true number bets at a 35:1 payout and also having a statistical advantage with the certain numbers that I would select.

All the systems I've seen only seem to cover the even 1:1 bets.
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February 9th, 2022 at 2:55:01 PM permalink
Quote: Neo12Blast

I'm aware of the odds and stats and impossibility of beating the law of large numbers based on expectation.

But I have something different where I want to analyze the results when playing true number bets at a 35:1 payout and also having a statistical advantage with the certain numbers that I would select.

All the systems I've seen only seem to cover the even 1:1 bets.
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. Well then tell us more! How do you have a ‘statistical advantage with the certain numbers’?!?!? If you are describing an unfair wheel, then the math becomes WAY more complicated to do for you.
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February 9th, 2022 at 3:03:15 PM permalink
Is it possible for you to describe the system here? Or is it still a closely guarded secret that you won't want to reveal yet (or possible, don't want to reveal for free)?

Also, is this system expected to work on "electronic" wheels, or just the "physical" kind with an actual ball?
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February 9th, 2022 at 3:56:42 PM permalink
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Well then tell us more! How do you have a ‘statistical advantage with the certain numbers’?!?!? If you are describing an unfair wheel, then the math becomes WAY more complicated to do for you.
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This thread is not about whether his system works or not. He is not here to discuss that and it is besides the point.

He is asking specifically about suggestions for roulette software.
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February 9th, 2022 at 3:57:14 PM permalink
I get the feeling the electronic machines may be a bit rigged. Maybe try it out on an actual wheel. But some electronic machines have an actual ball that is plunged round and round, so maybe those are exempt.
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February 9th, 2022 at 5:05:19 PM permalink
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I get the feeling the electronic machines may be a bit rigged. Maybe try it out on an actual wheel. But some electronic machines have an actual ball that is plunged round and round, so maybe those are exempt.
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I tend to assume that any automatic wheel is equipped with RRS (or equivalent).

Back to the original question, sorry, I do not have any suggestions for system testing software.

There are 38 numbers; they pay 35 to 1 when your cat's ex-husband's birthday hits. (And I do believe in gambling for fun.)

Best of luck in your endeavours.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 9th, 2022 at 8:21:10 PM permalink
I can't go into detail about why these certain numbers will perform stronger than other types of numbers otherwise I'll be giving too much info out and roulette will be cracked publicly and Vegas will have to close all the tables down. I'm sorry.
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February 9th, 2022 at 8:24:23 PM permalink
Read my reply above to soopoo.

But to your other question, live or virtual RNG wouldn't matter.

But I would definitely choose online RNG over traditional casino because volume of plays can be dramatically increased in a computer environment.
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February 9th, 2022 at 8:28:51 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

I tend to assume that any automatic wheel is equipped with RRS (or equivalent).

Back to the original question, sorry, I do not have any suggestions for system testing software.

There are 38 numbers; they pay 35 to 1 when your cat's ex-husband's birthday hits. (And I do believe in gambling for fun.)

Best of luck in your endeavours.
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Thank you, and honestly I would like to have run the test on both the European and American standards, and I have the option to play European on my online account with Bovada.

I figure, if it can beat European, I don't see why American would be really far behind in profit.
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February 9th, 2022 at 8:33:46 PM permalink
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I can't go into detail about why these certain numbers will perform stronger than other types of numbers otherwise I'll be giving too much info out and roulette will be cracked publicly and Vegas will have to close all the tables down. I'm sorry.
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Ok. I figured as much. Do you think you will take 7 figures from the casinos before they figure you out?
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February 9th, 2022 at 9:55:49 PM permalink
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Quote: Neo12Blast

I can't go into detail about why these certain numbers will perform stronger than other types of numbers otherwise I'll be giving too much info out and roulette will be cracked publicly and Vegas will have to close all the tables down. I'm sorry.
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Ok. I figured as much. Do you think you will take 7 figures from the casinos before they figure you out?
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Only if the system works, but with my manual testing that I've done today, looks like it may not beat roulette. Shrugs.
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February 10th, 2022 at 12:58:42 AM permalink
Welcome to the forum. It will be difficult for you to find roulette simulation software because an application can easily be written with entry level programming skill in an hour or so. (I am not volunteering to do that.) You write that you would like to do thousands of simulations. Consult some information about meaningful statistical results and you will find many millions of simulations are needed. If your system is based on prior bet results in any way, I strongly suggest you research Gambler’s Fallacy and apophenia before putting more of your time into this effort.
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February 10th, 2022 at 1:52:38 AM permalink
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I can't go into detail about why these certain numbers will perform stronger than other types of numbers otherwise I'll be giving too much info out and roulette will be cracked publicly and Vegas will have to close all the tables down. I'm sorry.
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Hi Neo12Blast and welcome.

You might be insulted if I expressed my full incredulity at what you just posted. It involves an 8 letter abbreviation starting with R and ending with O. So I won't.

Let me confirm absolutely that I personally enjoy gambling for fun. I even enjoy mixing up my sessions with a bit of Martingale..

Now, onto your original question, and I'll address it with European Rules including La Partage.

Your rate of return betting on any number or combination of numbers IN ANY WAY, will tend towards Sum(36/37 x Wager placed) or in laymans' terms you get 97.3% of what you stake returned to you. That is immutable fact unless the wheel and ball is favouring some combination of numbers. No system changes that.
There. I just tested your system!
A program could be written to simulate the game with a fair wheel and it would show you over many millions or billions of spins that your result will indeed tend towards 97.3%. To simulate your scenario where certain numbers are favoured, the program would need to be rigged to favour those numbers.... Just like every table that you expect to encounter must also be rigged. Hint. Few tables are rigged to favour numbers. ALL tables are rigged to give the house a 1/37 advantage!
But a little bird tells me that you only believe some numbers to get favoured because they somehow get detected as 'hot'. And no doubt, you expect to exploit that in the short term, thus defying the rule of large numbers.
The universe does not work that way.
You will probably find someone here prepared to waste his time simulating your system over millions or billions of spins. We need to get out more! But when you then come back and retort something like "yes but that was not a real wheel" or maybe "Yes, but I will have made my fortune long before a Million spins", then you will be rightly derided as just another who's been fooled by the gamblers' fallacy.
Save your time. Roulette cannot and will not be cracked. Vegas is not quaking in its boots and will not be closing all the tables down.
If you want to discuss your system with yourself, or with folk who will tear it to shreds, feel free to do so here. If you want to explore the possibilities of using it to smash the tables at vegas or online, then PM me and I will send you a link to a forum for such a foolish endeavour. A forum where every system player wins and is delighted to discuss how they smashed Vegas. Hint#2. They haven't.
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February 10th, 2022 at 2:30:38 AM permalink
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There are 38 numbers; they pay 35 to 1 when your cat's ex-husband's birthday hits. (And I do believe in gambling for fun.)

Best of luck in your endeavours.
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Thank you, and honestly I would like to have run the test on both the European and American standards, and I have the option to play European on my online account with Bovada.

I figure, if it can beat European, I don't see why American would be really far behind in profit.
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You may feel free to replace 38 numbers with 37 or 39.
I expect that any house banked game will pay out less than that.

Just because 22 has been hot, this does not mean that 9 is due because of the mysterious triangle of Iklon.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 10th, 2022 at 2:56:35 AM permalink
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You may feel free to replace 38 numbers with 37 or 39.
I expect that any house banked game will pay out less than that.

Just because 22 has been hot, this does not mean that 9 is due because of the mysterious triangle of Iklon.
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Thanks Dieter,
I googled Triangle of Iklon. One prominent result was for "Bikini: Extreme See Through Micro Bikini - String Bikini"

So, i had to follow that link and soon went down a rabbit-hole. At least I think it was a rabbit-hole!

Save yourself the trouble Neo12Blast. If you want to have fun playing roulette, the tried and tested ways are the best. Wager from (spend) your entertainment budget. Enjoy any complimentary refreshments. Enjoy any adrenaline rush, and pace how long your bankroll lasts.

Or, check out that triangle. $:o)
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February 10th, 2022 at 3:05:33 AM permalink
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You may feel free to replace 38 numbers with 37 or 39.
I expect that any house banked game will pay out less than that.

Just because 22 has been hot, this does not mean that 9 is due because of the mysterious triangle of Iklon.
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Thanks Dieter,
I googled Triangle of Iklon. One prominent result was for "Bikini: Extreme See Through Micro Bikini - String Bikini"

So, i had to follow that link and soon went down a rabbit-hole. At least I think it was a rabbit-hole!

Save yourself the trouble Neo12Blast. If you want to have fun playing roulette, the tried and tested ways are the best. Wager from (spend) your entertainment budget. Enjoy any complimentary refreshments. Enjoy any adrenaline rush, and pace how long your bankroll lasts.

Or, check out that triangle. $:o)
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I swear - I had no idea.

May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 10th, 2022 at 3:14:57 AM permalink
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But I would definitely choose online RNG over traditional casino because volume of plays can be dramatically increased in a computer environment.
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I do think this would tend to demonstrate a system's effectiveness rapidly.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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February 10th, 2022 at 3:59:15 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: Neo12Blast

But I would definitely choose online RNG over traditional casino because volume of plays can be dramatically increased in a computer environment.
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I do think this would tend to demonstrate a system's effectiveness rapidly.
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You spelled ineffectiveness incorrectly.
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February 10th, 2022 at 5:37:32 AM permalink
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