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odiousgambit
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August 21st, 2021 at 1:24:16 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

Mr. OG: Knowing what you just posted, would you personally, $250 in hand, stand at the table for 2-3 hours and make just one $10 bet just for the experience knowing nothing exciting or unexpected is going to happen? Isn't that like watching the same Green Acres TV show over and over again?

tuttigym

I would not do it and I've never seen anyone do it either, not for 8 hrs.

generally speaking, for the reason you are getting at, I don't recommend Craps for those with not much bankroll.

Mission was rather focused on the "making my bankroll last" part of the OP and we wound up here.
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are actually endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically so, don't you see. 
ChallengedMilly
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August 21st, 2021 at 1:51:22 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Under normal conditions, I would not play any of those games (nor any casino game) for eight hours. Under non-normal conditions, I would make sure to have more than $1,000.

If I was advising someone else on what to play for eight hours, I would suggest video poker at 1-cent per spin.

They do not have anything less than 25 cent vp, and realistically I would max bet for $1.25 a spin considering I hit a royal last time I was there and would beat myself up for playing 1 coin and hit another one or 4 of a kind / straight flush.

Also forgot to put bubble craps on the list, doh. Only issue with it was the 'fun' factor wasn't very high since it's such a passive game without the other players engaged in the rolls.
AlanMendelson
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August 21st, 2021 at 2:23:32 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Under normal conditions, I would not play any of those games (nor any casino game) for eight hours. Under non-normal conditions, I would make sure to have more than $1,000.

If I was advising someone else on what to play for eight hours, I would suggest video poker at 1-cent per spin.



This is good advice and I used this strategy once before the pandemic when Red Rock Casino used to have a random drawing for a must hit jackpot.

In order to be eligible you had to be actively playing with your card in a machine.

The must hit jackpot had to be awarded by $10,000. And everyone playing at that moment would get free play up to $100.

At the time, the jackpot was north of $9900 and it seemed like every machine in Red Rock had a player.

I found a 100 play VP machine, put in $1 and started playing 1-cent on one line. Ironically I hit some quads while playing one line (none dealt) and I was there when the big jackpot was hit and I got $35 of free play.

On the machine itself I cashed out about 38 cents, if I remember correctly.
Mission146
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August 21st, 2021 at 2:55:38 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

I personally could not do that as, after a while, boredom would set in, and i would actually fall asleep at the terminal.

Discipline in other areas, for me, also needs some work.

tuttigym



It was online. Even if I fell asleep, I'd generally already be in bed playing on my phone and could finish playing when I woke up.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
Mission146
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August 21st, 2021 at 2:58:28 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

This is good advice and I used this strategy once before the pandemic when Red Rock Casino used to have a random drawing for a must hit jackpot.

In order to be eligible you had to be actively playing with your card in a machine.

The must hit jackpot had to be awarded by $10,000. And everyone playing at that moment would get free play up to $100.

At the time, the jackpot was north of $9900 and it seemed like every machine in Red Rock had a player.

I found a 100 play VP machine, put in $1 and started playing 1-cent on one line. Ironically I hit some quads while playing one line (none dealt) and I was there when the big jackpot was hit and I got $35 of free play.

On the machine itself I cashed out about 38 cents, if I remember correctly.



Good play. That isn't bad. A casino near me used to have the same thing and, when the top one would hit, it would be a fixed amount to everyone else, though I forget how much. I'd probably want to see how quickly it was moving, of course, to get an idea of how much I am actually making per hour doing it, but it is pretty much free money.

I never did that myself (as I recall), but I probably would have if it was a reasonable amount away. I don't recall ever being there when it was close. I did do something kind of similar, but it's hard to explain in the first place and was so long ago that I'd probably not even explain it correctly.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
ChallengedMilly
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August 21st, 2021 at 4:06:28 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I've grinded on Video Poker online for ten cent bets for several hours, so that sort of thing wouldn't bother me. Of course, I did it that way because I was at a tremendous advantage on a deposit match promotion and wanted as little variance as possible. I'll just take the money, thank you.

It's a true test in discipline, which I could really stand to be better in other areas of life.

Unfortunately no such luck in my scenario. It'd add up to what ever tiny bit of comping. Also the lowest denom they have is. 25.
TomG
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August 21st, 2021 at 8:12:41 PM permalink
Quote: ChallengedMilly

They do not have anything less than 25 cent vp, and realistically I would max bet for $1.25 a spin considering I hit a royal last time I was there and would beat myself up for playing 1 coin and hit another one or 4 of a kind / straight flush.



If anyone is worried about hitting a royal with less than five, most casinos I go to have 25-cent blackjack, which would have a better return to the player than most any other table game or machine.

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I used to love the feeling of eating at the buffet until I felt like throwing up, then play the 1-cent VP while digesting.
tuttigym
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August 22nd, 2021 at 9:14:01 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

Because the house edge is zero, that means that the house edge does not change (which means the expected value also does not change). A $25 bet on the passline, has a house edge of $0.35, which means there is an expected value to the player of -$0.35. That house edge and EV remains the same no matter how much is bet on the odds.


This is a FICTICIOUS conversation of Mr. TomG explaining a game to a youngster:

TG: This game gives NO advantage to your opponent.

Yngstr: Wow great. That means I can win the game and not worry that my opponent will take unfair advantage over my efforts.

TG: Well not exactly, during most of the play time, because of the rules, your opponent will win almost 3 out of four games.

Ygstr: Huh? What???????

tuttigym
tuttigym
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August 22nd, 2021 at 9:19:13 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

That is not correct.

Complain to anyone you want, other than wizardofvegas. Twitter would be a good place to start.


I do not Facebook or Tweet. I will debate or engage directly with anyone willing to do the same and willing to substantively answer direct questions with intellectually driven answers.

tuttigym
AZDuffman
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August 22nd, 2021 at 2:27:32 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I tell this all the time to beginners at craps. Just make the minimum passline bet and you'll be cheering along with the high rollers.

So you won't bust out? Okay. But what's your expected finish after 8 hours?



While you are correct it never works out this way. I have been teaching people to play for years. 90% get bored after 10 minutes and walk away. Explain the math and they get even more bored. They get excited at their number hitting. They like when you tell them you know what the opposite side of the dice add up to. The women like seeing the male dealers handle cheques flawlessly. The men like banter with the dealers.

The ones who will stand and bet pass/don't are the ones who love a grind. Who will buddy up and run a doey/donty to grind out free drinks and hope for comps that never come because they are just making line bets. And anyone takes offense to that I am one of you so don't.

I'd play BJ. You get to sit, if you play shoe-dealt you let your comps clock run while the dealer shuffles. You can either be social or take a "I want to be left alone" look. You can figure that you and the dealer are both "at work" and he gets medical but you do not pay union dues.
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