rajbhah89
• Posts: 24
Joined: Mar 25, 2020
March 15th, 2021 at 3:46:02 PM permalink
Hi,

Just wanted to through this to the experts here a system my friend is using.

Choose a side Banker or Player and Flat bet 1 unit for 5 hands(Neglect the Tie) For example if he chooses Banker at the end of 5 hands P/L varies between -1 to -5 or +1 to +5 units.

If there is a Loss after 5 hands, he increases the bet and places 2 unit for another 5 hands or to the point where he breaks even and reset back to 1 unit.

1 1 1 1 1 if this ends in loss he goes 22222 unit bets.
by this even when a 10 streak comes to haunt , we are basically down 15 units .Any thoughts
ThatDonGuy
• Posts: 6546
Joined: Jun 22, 2011
March 15th, 2021 at 5:40:05 PM permalink
I'll say the same thing I say when anybody else proposes a system; the more you bet overall, the more you expose to the house edge.

Questions:

1. When you start betting 2 and catch up, do you start over with a new set of 5 bets of 1, or do you finish the current 5 bets?
For example, let's say your first five bets are LLWLL, so you are -3, but you win your first two bets of 2, putting you +1. Do you make 3 bets of 1, or start over with 5 bets of 1?

2. What do you do after 10 bets if you are still behind?
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March 15th, 2021 at 5:52:06 PM permalink
only way i know to reduce the house edge in baccarat is always bet banker according to mike
rajbhah89
• Posts: 24
Joined: Mar 25, 2020
March 15th, 2021 at 5:53:00 PM permalink
1.No, i dont make 3 bets of 1 unit. I again start over with 5 bets of 1 unit.

2.If 10 bets behind. I go to the next step 33333 . 3units of 5 bets to get back to positive.if i win 1 unit in 3 unit bet say, my overall loss is -7.i continue the same 3 units of 5 bets.
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• Posts: 2317
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
March 15th, 2021 at 6:29:29 PM permalink
Quote: rajbhah89

1.No, i dont make 3 bets of 1 unit. I again start over with 5 bets of 1 unit.

2.If 10 bets behind. I go to the next step 33333 . 3units of 5 bets to get back to positive.if i win 1 unit in 3 unit bet say, my overall loss is -7.i continue the same 3 units of 5 bets.

do you know how to program computers?
ThatDonGuy
• Posts: 6546
Joined: Jun 22, 2011
March 16th, 2021 at 8:18:25 AM permalink
I did some simulating, and here is what I got:

If you limit each session to 1000 hands or when you first make a profit, the average loss per session is about 2.7 units.
If you increase the limit to 2000 hands, the average loss is about 5 units.

Click on the button to see a breakdown of how many hands it took to make a profit (or how many times it reached the 1000-hand limit with a loss) in about 125 million sessions:

Hands# Of Runs
161,657,278
315,396,464
57,704,865
69,759,055
73,958,047
82,935,113
91,980,975
101,595,460
111,237,717
122,169,772
13777,222
141,320,961
15521,812
16916,162
17880,493
18644,122
19602,853
20471,020
21828,540
22414,089
23543,260
24304,017
25401,939
26453,476
27333,373
28314,629
29255,899
30242,176
31204,030
32273,225
33171,374
34215,484
35140,504
36176,798
37171,695
38149,729
39141,219
40124,570
41172,842
42114,913
43136,197
4496,111
45114,277
46119,808
47104,045
4896,653
4987,961
5082,603
5174,997
5289,894
5367,223
5477,698
5558,508
5667,717
5765,519
5861,058
5957,389
6054,105
6166,805
6250,644
6356,766
6444,853
6550,493
6651,919
6747,063
6844,439
6941,698
7039,759
7137,305
7241,865
7334,826
7437,856
7531,076
7634,208
7733,530
7831,558
7930,665
8028,765
8134,273
8227,880
8330,236
8425,143
8527,168
8628,207
8725,994
8825,276
8923,803
9022,860
9121,830
9224,182
9320,051
9422,073
9518,715
9620,470
9720,206
9819,081
9918,636
10017,838
10120,454
10217,175
10318,106
10415,806
10516,945
10617,555
10716,157
10816,025
10915,003
11014,544
11114,053
11215,290
11313,395
11414,140
11512,355
11613,283
11713,149
11812,575
11912,153
12011,836
12113,412
12211,497
12312,175
12410,915
12511,521
12611,572
12711,032
12810,703
12910,278
13010,205
1319,767
13210,370
1339,398
1349,735
1358,718
1369,206
1379,225
1388,758
1398,695
1408,267
1419,138
1428,205
1438,615
1447,758
1458,137
1468,376
1477,866
1487,684
1497,484
1507,237
1517,147
1527,474
1536,724
1547,184
1556,586
1566,841
1576,925
1586,524
1596,411
1606,276
1616,946
1626,134
1636,460
1645,765
1656,102
1666,270
1675,976
1685,934
1695,516
1705,441
1715,362
1725,585
1735,221
1745,311
1755,045
1765,230
1775,205
1785,084
1794,835
1804,853
1815,172
1824,728
1834,788
1844,540
1854,858
1864,661
1874,638
1884,518
1894,387
1904,348
1914,172
1924,457
1934,030
1944,268
1953,877
1963,962
1974,084
1983,954
1993,937
2003,703
2014,035
2023,806
2033,850
2043,629
2053,679
2063,794
2073,698
2083,585
2093,546
2103,381
2113,389
2123,507
2133,224
2143,316
2153,194
2163,294
2173,271
2183,106
2193,149
2203,009
2213,356
2223,124
2233,032
2242,924
2253,006
2263,002
2272,971
2282,854
2292,878
2302,736
2312,675
2322,856
2332,605
2342,833
2352,524
2362,665
2372,656
2382,499
2392,689
2402,552
2412,738
2422,430
2432,458
2442,466
2452,472
2462,686
2472,474
2482,368
2492,327
2502,388
2512,393
2522,401
2532,230
2542,247
2552,098
2562,202
2572,120
2582,159
2592,140
2602,095
2612,253
2622,101
2632,149
2641,968
2652,107
2662,033
2672,131
2682,050
2692,063
2701,942
2711,954
2721,965
2731,851
2741,887
2751,807
2761,927
2771,869
2781,885
2791,829
2801,735
2811,806
2821,786
2831,771
2841,652
2851,736
2861,752
2871,790
2881,650
2891,671
2901,606
2911,642
2921,669
2931,617
2941,657
2951,551
2961,584
2971,656
2981,586
2991,591
3001,502
3011,566
3021,488
3031,554
3041,444
3051,496
3061,482
3071,505
3081,478
3091,484
3101,427
3111,462
3121,437
3131,307
3141,412
3151,276
3161,409
3171,358
3181,388
3191,321
3201,293
3211,383
3221,377
3231,294
3241,237
3251,268
3261,284
3271,279
3281,254
3291,303
3301,286
3311,222
3321,340
3331,262
3341,179
3351,170
3361,196
3371,212
3381,170
3391,153
3401,214
3411,186
3421,107
3431,126
3441,130
3451,113
3461,121
3471,128
3481,132
3491,094
3501,102
3511,161
3521,038
3531,039
3541,060
355983
3561,033
3571,053
3581,059
3591,022
3601,029
3611,060
3621,015
3631,012
364980
3651,033
366997
367971
368924
369965
370917
371964
372977
373957
374885
375955
376900
377900
378868
379872
380890
381976
382906
383926
384851
385835
386893
387926
388888
389865
390827
391841
392810
393832
394841
395853
396847
397893
398872
399778
400813
401816
402791
403828
404797
405815
406802
407769
408773
409784
410781
411761
412799
413769
414747
415736
416742
417750
418747
419723
420713
421779
422746
423757
424689
425717
426669
427643
428737
429686
430671
431712
432708
433645
434704
435679
436659
437679
438650
439615
440658
441689
442624
443634
444646
445607
446623
447645
448617
449631
450664
451611
452630
453614
454597
455612
456600
457604
458577
459597
460565
461596
462596
463617
464567
465582
466564
467564
468605
469570
470534
471556
472570
473534
474577
475516
476570
477573
478516
479520
480515
481580
482562
483517
484549
485521
486546
487468
488524
489527
490503
491513
492522
493479
494475
495472
496509
497489
498485
499496
500507
501523
502494
503498
504483
505496
506490
507513
508490
509444
510475
511455
512446
513448
514501
515438
516472
517471
518453
519460
520474
521431
522440
523453
524442
525424
526483
527441
528445
529414
530420
531437
532446
533428
534465
535415
536396
537405
538418
539436
540394
541410
542397
543415
544398
545396
546440
547383
548407
549400
550434
551389
552410
553405
554403
555365
556405
557386
558373
559379
560343
561372
562415
563370
564359
565397
566355
567370
568355
569349
570361
571390
572371
573359
574388
575365
576396
577382
578329
579362
580350
581344
582398
583368
584360
585362
586374
587355
588334
589340
590325
591352
592338
593350
594320
595327
596320
597345
598280
599325
600303
601353
602308
603331
604324
605322
606305
607322
608312
609292
610351
611332
612295
613283
614325
615276
616300
617316
618282
619322
620290
621295
622270
623288
624301
625302
626309
627326
628303
629331
630305
631292
632281
633270
634288
635310
636279
637259
638265
639292
640304
641271
642265
643282
644228
645270
646239
647275
648265
649255
650259
651263
652255
653267
654280
655275
656262
657269
658275
659261
660251
661263
662248
663270
664261
665243
666257
667272
668269
669242
670270
671241
672271
673254
674244
675249
676267
677276
678262
679270
680254
681272
682264
683261
684240
685233
686243
687269
688226
689233
690230
691231
692261
693205
694255
695240
696234
697239
698202
699241
700217
701232
702216
703225
704182
705228
706230
707225
708245
709222
710221
711204
712223
713206
714226
715207
716235
717248
718211
719212
720227
721202
722211
723203
724200
725219
726228
727234
728207
729196
730216
731218
732230
733221
734183
735201
736206
737205
738215
739201
740196
741193
742188
743202
744213
745184
746196
747210
748195
749180
750202
751226
752213
753186
754201
755185
756193
757201
758202
759182
760183
761226
762179
763206
764204
765193
766172
767162
768187
769165
770178
771175
772189
773203
774178
775199
776192
777179
778182
779182
780173
781189
782184
783192
784183
785194
786184
787197
788190
789172
790173
791169
792203
793191
794174
795172
796173
797155
798189
799187
800168
801154
802183
803174
804171
805187
806175
807180
808170
809172
810176
811171
812159
813170
814175
815167
816167
817159
818165
819157
820158
821148
822151
823155
824158
825185
826151
827181
828185
829148
830151
831133
832169
833156
834166
835149
836174
837168
838156
839153
840153
841150
842147
843147
844149
845167
846152
847154
848189
849191
850121
851143
852142
853149
854146
855146
856144
857123
858161
859157
860164
861146
862144
863146
864142
865159
866131
867151
868132
869137
870155
871161
872178
873139
874151
875142
876171
877133
878133
879119
880123
881145
882165
883138
884141
885141
886139
887141
888133
889144
890120
891133
892139
893154
894134
895136
896136
897127
898129
899133
900130
901119
902143
903124
904134
905131
906134
907136
908111
909119
910125
911140
912114
913117
914121
915118
916142
917116
918118
919134
920134
921131
922124
923109
924116
925107
926120
927123
928139
929132
930145
931139
932115
933123
934126
935114
936107
937134
938122
939118
940104
941110
942119
943134
944149
945129
946121
947127
948119
949104
950125
951126
952103
953108
954124
955115
956119
957107
958119
959119
960107
961102
962103
963116
964128
96597
966107
967117
968110
969111
970117
971120
972106
973121
974111
975103
976140
977105
978107
979134
98097
981104
982116
983101
984106
985111
986115
987118
988133
989107
99098
991115
992100
993103
994115
995116
996112
997109
998117
99987
1,000105,989
Total124,993,280

Update: here is a list of what the probability is of losing a session, as well as the average loss per session, for various maximum numbers of hands per session
(important: the average loss per session includes all of the winning sessions - for example, if you limit your session to 100 hands, you will lose only once in 83.6795 sessions, but your losses will be so large that your average loss per session is 0.4424)

Max # Of HandsProb of Losing SessionAvg Loss Per Session
1001 / 83.67950.4424
2001 / 195.27740.7521
3001 / 314.55251.036
4001 / 441.30631.2673
5001 / 565.68761.5261
6001 / 694.84981.7501
7001 / 816.861.9898
8001 / 937.98072.2445
9001 / 1060.58032.4586
10001 / 1168.27892.7531
11001 / 1314.4752.846
12001 / 1408.84763.1808
13001 / 1527.18393.3817
14001 / 1641.71263.5783
15001 / 1724.13793.9023
16001 / 1869.43844.0003
17001 / 1934.2364.4031
18001 / 2049.51634.5841
19001 / 2098.19564.9742
20001 / 2233.33935.0439
Last edited by: ThatDonGuy on Mar 16, 2021
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