The Adventures of MDawg

Quote: AxelWolf

ROFLMAO

Damn, then I guess I can't post fiction. I'll just have to post what actually happened. Well, that's a bummer.

As my old writing professors used to lecture, "All writing is fiction." True dat. Like when the handicappers filled the ad pages of USA Today its first year with the 93-7 claims and such. If you took a subset of their plays, sure enough there were 93-7s in there. Somewhere.

We all edit reality. So perception is fiction. Memory is fiction. All writing is, therefore, fiction.

But I will attempt non-fiction.

Determination of fact or fiction is left up to the reader....not the writer.

That’s how every anonymous gambling forum works.

Since the lines can get easily blurred with gargantuan stories of wins (or losses), where pictures can offer only a glimpse of what might or might not be true...again, the way most forums like this work is to tell your story and it’s left up to the reader to assess credibility.

The back and forth of “true”....”not true”.....”it is”....”it is not”....”I only post facts”....etc, etc. is a waste of bandwidth. The reader makes his own decision. The writer does not make it for him no matter how many times he bangs his fist on the table. Strange how some don’t get this concept....especially, especially as it relates to gambling stories. No insult intended.

Quote: TDVegas

Determination of fact or fiction is left up to the reader....not the writer.

That’s how every anonymous gambling forum works.

Since the lines can get easily blurred with gargantuan stories of wins (or losses), where pictures can offer only a glimpse of what might or might not be true...again, the way most forums like this work is to tell your story and it’s left up to the reader to assess credibility.

The back and forth of “true”....”not true”.....”it is”....”it is not”....”I only post facts”....etc, etc. is a waste of bandwidth. The reader makes his own decision. The writer does not make it for him no matter how many times he bangs his fist on the table. Strange how some don’t get this concept....especially, especially as it relates to gambling stories. No insult intended.

Not sure of the utility of that saying, TD. It's like asking everyone in an asylum if 2+2=5, and asking each of them separately. The question is if probability is relative depending on perspective. I suggest not.

Besides, I'm not anonymous. Neither is Wizard. Neither is Alan Mendelson. So technically, this is not an "anonymous gambling forum." Some of us have our names and real identities suffering liabilities if we can't back up what we claim.

Quote: redietz

Hey MDawg,

If the college football season gets canceled, I'll have some free time. If I can figure out how to post my photos, I have a parody story line I'd like to post. I'll bring back my late cousin, E.R. Dietz, so it'll be "The Adventures of E.R.Dietz." I figured I'd ask about getting your blessing, since the story will "take the piss" out of you, me, and some Harry Potter types. It'll try to parallel your adventure posts, but as a parody. I wanted to clear it with you in advance since if you don't realize it's poking fun at me and Harry Potter also, you might think it was aimed at you.

I don't know how to do anything with photos online, so it'll take awhile for me to get it cranking, but it should be entertaining.

Someone years ago wrote Bored of the Rings, as a parody of Lord of The Rings and it was a huge hit. It sounds like you want to do a parody of Bored with The Rings.

Quote: redietz

Damn, then I guess I can't post fiction. I'll just have to post what actually happened. Well, that's a bummer.

As my old writing professors used to lecture, "All writing is fiction." True dat. Like when the handicappers filled the ad pages of USA Today its first year with the 93-7 claims and such. If you took a subset of their plays, sure enough there were 93-7s in there. Somewhere.

We all edit reality. So perception is fiction. Memory is fiction. All writing is, therefore, fiction.

But I will attempt non-fiction.

I haven't seen you say anything crazy or unbelievable regarding gambling and casino Adventures.

There was a really cool website page up years ago entitled "In Search of Hunter S. Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" or some such. It investigated the possibility of whether the places and events HST wrote about in his Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream were factually verifiable. What it found, in sum, was that yes, there was something like a Soundproof Suite at the Mint (now the Horsheshoe), yes Debbie Reynolds was playing in Vegas at some point that year in 1971, yes there was a Las Vegas District Attorney's convention on dangerous drugs, and so on, but that these events were spaced over the course of MONTHS such that they could not have happened neatly in the course of several days as depicted in the novel. That is Gonzo journalism - stretching the truth.

I'm not doing that here. When I write about going to the Cult concert or Duran Duran at such and such date and even post copies of the front row tickets, or describe and post pictures of a certain suite we stayed in, or the play by play, blow by blow, wins or losses of my gambling sessions, these are are all hard plain facts. As PeeWee Herman said, It's all true. "Every second of it."

If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.

And TD Vegas is correct in that it comes down to "Believe it or Don't." We've spent pages going back and forth as to the reasons why some might believe, and some might not, believe, and in the end, as TD Vegas alludes, all that is a waste of time. Believe it or Don't! (And...if you're Axel...be sure to post at least 66 2/3% of your WOV posts (lately closer to 100%) on this MDawg topic.)

I mean look at that picture

and the rest in the first post
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/#post746034
of this thread.

I don’t know about you, but that pic and the others make the joy rise in my guttiwuts. That’s what it’s all about isn’t it, winning big and having fun.

Just writing about it makes me happy as I relive the Adventures, which is my primary reason for writing all this. Very Proustian! without the odor.

And how many circles have you spun and painted the pavement in front of your local police precinct in your Bentley or Aston Martin?

I'd Welcome! you to my Adventures but then I think I already have?

Quote: MDawg

I mean look at that picture
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Gold? You need to upgrade to platinum. Even heavier, too

Does anyone else feel like platinum is an extremely good value rn? It's never been this cheap compared to Gold or what am I missing?

Quote: RogerKint

Does anyone else feel like platinum is an extremely good value rn? It's never been this cheap compared to Gold or what am I missing?

Traditionally platinum has been worth more than gold. But precious metals prices are anyone’s guess. They have no earnings and almost no intrinsic value so they are basically worth whatever the next sucker will pay.

Quote: redietz

Not sure of the utility of that saying, TD. It's like asking everyone in an asylum if 2+2=5, and asking each of them separately. The question is if probability is relative depending on perspective. I suggest not.

Besides, I'm not anonymous. Neither is Wizard. Neither is Alan Mendelson. So technically, this is not an "anonymous gambling forum." Some of us have our names and real identities suffering liabilities if we can't back up what we claim.

Michael Shackleford is well known in gambling circles and has a long, documented history. The guy has a Wikipedia entry fer cryin out loud. At best, your claim to fame is posting on various gambling forums that you are a pro sports picker...but whenever you have been challenged on the here and now to put up future picks, you always say no. I’m really not putting your “street cred” anywhere near the Wizard. Besides, he’s not really about self promotion...his reputation is already lock, stock and barrel. Yours is more like MDawg...self promotion all over the web. That’s not meant to be an indictment...just a statement.

Sorry, I’m drawing a distinction when I defer to the Wizard posting something and I deem it as fact. I have no reason to question it. Whenever I see someone associated with many gambling forums...going from one to the next touting his “reputation”....my radar starts pinging.

When you get one of these...we can better address the similarities of “what we claim” as to be believed as fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shackleford

Quote: RogerKint

Does anyone else feel like platinum is an extremely good value rn? It's never been this cheap compared to Gold or what am I missing?

Platinum has increased in value nearly twice as fast as gold in the past few months, but Warren Buffet, who once mocked gold, just sold JPM, GS and OXY, and bought shares in Barrick Gold. (GOLD).

With their Lira crashing, Turks are selling their homes and cars to buy gold.

What about silver?

Silver has a wide industrial use, and is a better conductor for electricity than copper and is used is electronics, cell phones, photovoltaic panels, and keyboards.

Unlike gold, there are no stockpiles of silver.

The price of silver has increased 100% since March 15th, vs 28% for gold. Platinum is up 50% since mid-April.

Platinum is more scarce than gold and should probably be worth more (and was, at one time), but for whatever reason gold has been more in demand for a while now and is currently double the price of platinum.

Both precious metals have uses outside of just hoarding or jewelry though – gold is used in dentistry and is the metal of choice for back teeth crowns (metal crowns require less shaving away of the actual tooth – preserve more of the actual tooth - before application versus porcelain crowns), gold and platinum are used in semiconductors too. As far as for jewelry or other aesthetic applications, neither gold nor platinum changes appearance – neither oxidizes, which is another advantage both have over other pretty looking metals that do oxidize, like silver.

Ace2 : I don’t have the Daytona “Platina” yet. It’s on a short list of to do items! I do have a few older vintage Cosmographs that are plain ol’ stainless steel that are actually worth more than the Platina. When it comes to vintage Cosmographs and modern Daytonas the metal isn’t the only reflection of value. I could probably resell my stainless steel modern Daytonas, especially the one with the cerachrom bezel, for more than my two tone (18K and stainless) modern Daytona.

Also of course I have the latest DD 40 platinum

which was one of the first watches I posted here, posted that day just to cover up my identifying info on the tournament semi finals ticket, which inadvertently started this whole watch posting thing. I have some other platinum watches too, including a platinum Piaget - Piaget has this thing about producing only precious metal watches. Fine timepieces and high denomination casino chips look good together, wouldn’t you say? or at least, that seems to be the norm – go to the high end Baccarat tables and at least among the non-Asian players you’ll find rows and rows of precious metal Rolexes, Cartiers, Pateks, Audemars, and the like, on the wrists of gamblers.

You’ve seen this video about the relative weight of some of the watches in my collection:


And here’s the story from one of my sessions in early March 2020, where I encountered a fellow player wearing the Platina while I was wearing my DD 40 platinum:
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Yesterday the end chip count was

This was before I went back downstairs to pay off the markers and take a trip to VIP to pick up some Pellegrinos, tip the VIP staff, and make a sumptuous dining reservation (was feeling VERY celebratory).

Of this $28,000. only $1000. was my win for 3/1/2020, but still a win is a win. The winner's envelope is now bursting at the seams

and the totes ahead for the trip is about $31K.


All markers from yesterday paid of course.


A few interesting things happened yesterday. I was actually ahead over $5K and trying to get to $6K when things started going awry and before you knew it I was betting five grand a hand with mixed results after I dipped to as low as -13K at one point. At that moment while I was heavy hitting the cigar/cigarette girl came by, and I grabbed two tubed cigars from her.

I don't even smoke, and I hate all smoking, but I was feeling ornery and wanted to flex my comp muscles. I had a trip a while back at this same casino where I asked for a cigar for a friend and they made a big deal out of having to get it approved. When I grabbed the two cigars the girl asked the pit boss if I could have two.

"I can have ten!" I answered for him, and then of course the pit boss nodded his consent.

While I was playing, this Asian guy with a half million line (I figured this out later by myself even before the pit boss mentioned it after he left, because he bet one hand at $30,000. which is allowed only for a special limits high credit line player) came up and noticed my watch.

"Is that the platinum?"

"Yes."

He rolled up his sleeve. He was wearing the Rolex Daytona platinum with the chocolate bezel, this watch:

and of course I recognized it instantly. It is called, the "Platina."

Mine is the latest 40mm Rolex Day Date platinum.

We took off watches and let each of us hold them, comparing weights. Both extremely heavy - we decided that mine must be a tad heavier. The pit boss got in on it too.

"Let me hold those too." And then, after holding them, "Wow!"

That's the thing about wearing a platinum versus a white gold Rolex. It is low key and no one knows what it is - except your peer group. In fact one WOV member thought my platinum Rolex watch was a fake when he first saw a pic of it at WOV.

The third thing that happened of interest was that I won one hand just $300. with a bank 6 on a commissionless table (at this casino a bank 6 win at the commissionless table gets paid half). Dealer paid me full. Nearly a half hour later a pit boss came out of nowhere had me cough up the $150. So they are definitely on me, watching closely. It is also a testament to how good surveillance is these days versus about twenty years ago when I was paid $3750. for a $2500. BJ bet when I threw down a king and queen with exultation and the dealer hit to 21. Back then, no one ever came up later to tell me that I had actually LOST -$2500. versus getting paid 3:2 for a BJ I didn't even have.

Last night we (wife and I) were out late dining and had too much fun afterwards back in the suite.

Today is the last day of gaming. Leave tomorrow. Sad, but even good things must come to an end.

Good for me anyway. The fat guy lost pretty much everything. He was playing with only purple chips today. He told me that his friend had lost everything last night too. Now this fat guy, when he loses (which is frequently), forgettaboutit. He starts crumpling cards, throwing them at the dealer, and cursing in a foreign language. But afterwards, as he walks away from the table, he does come around and apologize to the dealer.

I don't believe in getting upset when losing.

In fact, afterwards, after this fat guy had lost everything and left, the pit boss pointed out, talking to me, that "I don't believe I've ever seen you mad."

How does getting steamed help anything? Must play coolly, analytically. And anyway what is there to get mad about? Even when I get down I come back to win in the end.

This always winning in the end goes for both gambling, and the stock market, which incidentally although there will be ups and downs along the way is on its inevitable course back to record highs.

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Wow, did I really say that – did I predict record highs for the stock market in early March when it was in the toilet? Yes, it looks like I did.

I still have the three cigars I have received free from Cosmo. I haven't kept them in a humidor as - I don't have one! don't smoke - so I don't even know if they are still any good. It was more about flexing comp muscles than really wanting or needing the cigars.

The fat guy I reference was this guy who was down some at one point early in his trip, up later something like a hundred and fifty grand, and had left the casino and was in the airport with the money taped to his friend's waist to fly home - and then decided to come back to the casino - bitten by the gambling bug - and ended up losing all he had won, and then some, as I recall between him and his friend they ended up dumping a couple hundred grand. He wore this flashy older 18K gold President with all aftermarket diamonds on the bezel and dial, and aftermarket diamond pave crusted onto the center portion of the President band - pretty tacky looking, and his play was horrible in that he seemed determined to stay in town until he lost everything. He succeeded.

Quote: AxelWolf

I haven't seen you say anything crazy or unbelievable regarding gambling and casino Adventures.

I actually did my February excursion with a parody in mind, so I shot some things that would be funny in a tongue in cheek way.

I always tell the truth on forums. That's why I need my late cousin, E.R. Dietz, to come back from the dead.

Quote: TDVegas

Michael Shackleford is well known in gambling circles and has a long, documented history. The guy has a Wikipedia entry fer cryin out loud. At best, your claim to fame is posting on various gambling forums that you are a pro sports picker...but whenever you have been challenged on the here and now to put up future picks, you always say no. I’m really not putting your “street cred” anywhere near the Wizard. Besides, he’s not really about self promotion...his reputation is already lock, stock and barrel. Yours is more like MDawg...self promotion all over the web. That’s not meant to be an indictment...just a statement.

Sorry, I’m drawing a distinction when I defer to the Wizard posting something and I deem it as fact. I have no reason to question it. Whenever I see someone associated with many gambling forums...going from one to the next touting his “reputation”....my radar starts pinging.

When you get one of these...we can better address the similarities of “what we claim” as to be believed as fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shackleford

Wikipedia? Yeah, I like wikipedia as much as the next guy, but really, what sports gambler (other than Mr. Walters or a scammer?) are you going to find on wikipedia? Actually, truth to tell, for serious research, wikipedia is a no no, pretty much.

I haven't claimed much of anything on this forum other than the following. But for the record:

Only handicapper to be the college football profit champ three times in former Seattle Times' reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" annual sports service book throughout the 80's and 90's.

https://www.playbook.com/Vegas-Wise-Guys/
Either second best or best overall record (haven't done the math lately) cumulatively for the total 30-some years I have been in the invitation-only Wise Guys Contest.

Had op eds and essays regarding gambling published in The Humanist, Centre Daily Times (Penn State), Harrisburg Patriot-News.

Interviews, modest though they are, in what is now the Pulitzer Prize winning Pottsville Republican-Evening Herald (the papers were separate, but eventually combined).

When Marc Lawrence's Playbook was a nationally distributed newsstand newsletter, I was in there for quite a few years.

Presented "Gambling: An Interactional Approach," at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking a long time ago (1984, I think, but I'd have to check).

Was vetted for inclusion in Who's Who in Sports Gambling by Hall Publishing (1984). And yes, I paid some nominal fee ($75, I think) for consideration. And also yes, many handicappers who wanted in were left out. Rick Hall did the project because he was so fed up with scamdicappers of the time.

Was recruited to work with Billy Walters back in 2002. Did not turn out great, but some good stories came out of it. My wife died that year, which led Mr. Walters to (I believe) think I was on tilt. But that wasn't it. It was just a see saw year where I got killed early and did great late. Wound up with a substantial profit despite getting down 50 units early, which is a quite a bit.

If you look up the Retro Road Trip thread on VCT, I butchered posting a lot of stuff (upside down, sideways -- LOL). If not for mickey crimm, it would have been a real disaster. But most of what I just mentioned is there photographically.

You know what, the Who's Who in Sports Gambling bio is not there. It's pretty badly written, but if I figure out cameras this lifetime, I'll post it here. Rick Hall, who published the Who's Who, was not a writer, but he tried to do a good thing by providing a vehicle for those handicappers who had been monitored for years, who had won, and who didn't rip people off. I was embarrassed by the copy he wrote, but he footed the bill for the project and he had good intentions.

If I can think of any other stuff, I'll pass it along.

LOL -- Hey, Alan! You have all of this sitting somewhere, eh?

I will endeavor to post the Who's Who bio and The Humanist essay here, as they would have the most interest, I think, for this forum audience. Maybe the paper from the national Risk-Taking Conference, too. People might find some value there. It's an old paper, but still has something to say.

Quote: Tanko

Warren Buffet, who once mocked gold, just sold JPM, GS and OXY, and bought shares in Barrick Gold. (GOLD).

And he probably continues mocking gold.

Barrick Gold is a mining company with revenues, cash flow and dividends..making it a potentially legitimate investment, unlike physical gold.

I have a gang of 1 oz. gold coins in a safe deposit box, but still not enough to mean a whole lot.

A stock I've toyed with owning over the years is GLD.

redietz: a little digression is one thing, but posting your C.V. in the Adventures of MDawg is excessive. If you'd additionally like to post "articles" you've written please post them in your own thread. All of that content is just too dry for this thread anyway.

Quote: MDawg

I have a gang of 1 oz. gold coins in a safe deposit box, but still not enough to mean a whole lot.

A stock I've toyed with owning over the years is GLD.

redietz: a little digression is one thing, but posting your C.V. in the Adventures of MDawg is excessive. If you'd additionally like to post "articles" you've written please post them in your own thread. All of that content is just too dry for this thread anyway.

No, wouldn't post those in your thread, man. You own the thread. I was just doing a TD Tony response.

Quote: redietz

No, wouldn't post those in your thread, man. You own the thread. I was just doing a TD Tony response.

There was a previous member, I recall, who seemed convinced that she had some sort of ownership of 'her' thread.
It wasn't true for her, either.

Quote: MDawg

I have a gang of 1 oz. gold coins in a safe deposit box, but still not enough to mean a whole lot.

A stock I've toyed with owning over the years is GLD.

redietz: a little digression is one thing, but posting your C.V. in the Adventures of MDawg is excessive. If you'd additionally like to post "articles" you've written please post them in your own thread. All of that content is just too dry for this thread anyway.

Oh geez your holiness, is there a committee that determines who’s worthy to post in your precious thread and what content is worthy to be posted? Every time I think the fictional character dog can’t get more puke worthy he outdoes himself.

P.S save yourself a complaint to Wiz as I haven’t insulted you

Quote: PokerGrinder

Every time I think the fictional character dog can’t get more puke worthy he outdoes himself.

Calling someone "puke worthy" is indeed a personal insult, but perhaps if you get back on the cell phone and call the Wizard to plead your case as I understand you did the last time, once again very little will happen to you. Last time you also apologized to me and told the Wizard that you had apologized.

In any case, insults or not, Welcome! to you and to Axel to the Adventures of MDawg. In that close to 100% of both of your posts lately are about MDawg I suppose I should both thank, and welcome you. But maybe it is because 100% of your thinking seems to center around me that you'd pop up out of nowhere to say such things? In any case, Welcome!


Thanks redietz, you and I have an understanding that is based on a mutual respect...for each other...and for HST's writing! I wasn't telling redietz not to post his articles in my thread, merely suggesting it.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0d0f39ad-68c7-42b3-9208-d2dc581e1663

Quote: PokerGrinder

Oh geez your holiness, is there a committee that determines who’s worthy to post in your precious thread and what content is worthy to be posted? Every time I think the fictional character dog can’t get more puke worthy he outdoes himself.

P.S save yourself a complaint to Wiz as I haven’t insulted you

Worthy of a high 5!

Something like a full table of baccarat and everyone is wagering on the bankers side except one person who announces there is a players hand next you all are foolish. Then players side has a 5 and bankers side has 0. Mr. Smarty Pants turns over a 5 for his third card. Should have seen his face when the banker side turned over the ace to coincide with his announcement a face card was coming out for the tie.

Quote: MDawg

Calling someone "puke worthy" is indeed a personal insult, but perhaps if you get back on the cell phone and call the Wizard to plead your case as I understand you did the last time, once again very little will happen to you. Last time you also apologized to me and told the Wizard that you had apologized.

In any case, insults or not, Welcome! to you and to Axel to the Adventures of MDawg. In that close to 100% of both of your posts lately are about MDawg I suppose I should both thank, and welcome you. But maybe it is because 100% of your thinking seems to center around me that you'd pop up out of nowhere to say such things? In any case, Welcome!


Thanks redietz, you and I have an understanding that is based on a mutual respect...for each other...and for HST's writing! I wasn't telling redietz not to post his articles in my thread, merely suggesting it.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0d0f39ad-68c7-42b3-9208-d2dc581e1663

I did not plead my case lol. I had a discussion with a friend that I’ve known for 5 years and agreed that some things true or not can’t be said on WoV. As far as 100% of my posts, I’ve posted twice lol. If your giant ego needs to think that I care by all means. I spend less than 3 minutes a day on this forum at this point.

Edit: turns out my two posts were separated by 3 posts to KJ and multiple days but yes I’m clearly obsessed. 😂

Quote: PokerGrinder

is there a committee that determines who’s worthy to post in your precious thread?

redietz asked for MDawg's blessing...not the determination of any committee.

Quote: redietz

I figured I'd ask about getting your blessing

PokerGrinder is welcome here, regardless.

Awe shucks I’m so flattered...

I only object to the back stabbing. This individual was trashing the WofV forum for several reasons after being evicted. Low traffic, no traffic, not worthy of his time. Camped at other forums all the while trashing wofv.

Once the ban was lifted, he’s right back here.

That’s back stabbing stuff in my book. Trashes you behind your back. Then meets you again and tries to play it off.

Sorry. No go in my book.

Not an individual I would associate with. I’m fine with burning the bridge if that’s your final send off. I’m not fine with the two faced stuff and crawling back.

I sometimes post here a lot. Sometimes not.

I tend to post mostly on one forum at a time, with an occasional post here and there on others, and really have no idea what you are talking about other than the traffic issue which I posted about freely right here at WOV nothing hidden.

I will say that I've never had anything negative to say about the Wizard, which is more than I can say for many of you guys here who have posted negative things about the Wizard elsewhere. In any case, I'm merely responding to your post from what I understand the Wizard frowns on bringing up anything discussed at another forum. So, you may keep discussing this sort of thing if you like, to yourself.

Quote: TDVegas

I only object to the back stabbing. This individual was trashing the WofV forum for several reasons after being evicted. Low traffic, no traffic, not worthy of his time. Camped at other forums all the while trashing wofv.

Once the ban was lifted, he’s right back here.

That’s back stabbing stuff in my book. Trashes you behind your back. Then meets you again and tries to play it off.

Sorry. No go in my book.

Not an individual I would associate with. I’m fine with burning the bridge if that’s your final send off. I’m not fine with the two faced stuff and crawling back.

LOL, Posts? Did you mean hundreds of pages on other forums and days and days of time posting those hundreds of pages? A bit north of a Vendetta in my book?

Quote: MDawg

I understand the Wizard frowns on bringing up anything discussed at another forum.

You understand Wizard's policy correctly. We don't moderate those other forums. They are what they are and operate as their own admins see fit.
I might also point out that not all forum administrators beat themselves up ( or get beaten up ) over alexa rank. Strange but true!

Quote: Marcusclark66

LOL, Posts? Did you mean hundreds of pages on other forums and days and days of time posting those hundreds of pages? A bit north of a Vendetta in my book?

I tend to ignore you, because you started off your relationship with this forum with an absurd claim - claiming that you worked with Las Vegas casino workers who were actively investigating an anonymous internet user, during a period when all casinos were shuttered due to coronavirus and obviously not investigating anyone let alone an anonymous internet user, for getting overcomped. 🤓 Then later you slipped and revealed that you live in or near Minnesota, or the mid-West, or someplace or other thousands of miles away from Vegas.

Why you felt compelled to pretend like you were the Casino Police here to enforce something or other against a forum member, is another issue, too.


As a result, I don't take anything you have to say seriously and don't comment on it. If you're lucky, maybe someday I will respond to something you have to say again - if and when it is truthful and coherent. And now you continue with the lies, such as stating that I posted hundreds of pages about WOV. The only thing I have posted at great length about - is myself! The Adventures of MDawg! Vegas trip reports and related.

You're welcome! in the Adv of MDawg anyway though, MarcusClark whoever you claim to be.

I don't care if you respond to anything. And you're welcome you are comical. You're a lawyer that plays Baccarat and writes on forums hundreds and hundreds of pages. In fact having you answer anything would be about the same as trying to communicate and reason with groups of protesters about the racism matters occurring many places LOL.

I'm gonna watch a 3D movie on my television.

It's more real and in your face

Look man, if you can't handle people criticizing your investment choices, then don't create threads about how great some pink sheet stock is.

There is nothing personal going on there, it's just business discussion.

I am not sure what you mean by the above, but it would seem to be a reversion to the old DarkOz and his snide remarks? Are you the one breaking the peace here because if I tout buying gold stock or TSLA or whatever and you come in and say that the company sucks I would not consider that to be out of line - you'd be criticizing a business decision of mine, not me personally. Strictly business.

Quote: MDawg

Look man, if you can't handle people criticizing your investment choices, then don't create threads about how great some pink sheet stock is.

There is nothing personal going on there, it's just business discussion.

I am not sure what you mean by the above, but it would seem to be a reversion to the old DarkOz and his snide remarks? Are you the one breaking the peace here because if I tout buying gold stock or TSLA or whatever and you come in and say that the company sucks I would not consider that to be out of line - you'd be criticizing a business decision of mine, not me personally. Strictly business.

I'm referring to the back and forth arguments on here.

That's why I said "in your face".

I suspect if you guys were in a room with each no one would be arguing or "in each others faces".

So my 3D movie is more real and in your face

lol okay okay. But just so you know, I think your thing with BillRyan is getting a little out of hand...on both sides.

Quote: MDawg

lol okay okay. But just so you know, I think your thing with BillRyan is getting a little out of hand...on both sides.

I agree.

I try to ignore him this last day or two but then he comes out with even worse accusations about my investment.

You lose if you answer and lose if you ignore

Quote: darkoz

I agree.

I try to ignore him this last day or two but then he comes out with even worse accusations about my investment.

You lose if you answer and lose if you ignore

The
Struggle
Is
Really
Real

Actually booked a trip for - not the immediate future, but for sometime after the excessive Vegas heat dies down. It'll probably end up being one of those indefinite trips staying until feel like leaving.

I'm right by the ocean and it's hot here lately, but Vegas is ridiculous! triple digits fahrenheit.

You need to open Circa. We expect no less. Lotsa pictures, cause we sure don't have that kinda cash for grand opening!

Well Palms is closed indefinitely - was thinking of moving my line from there over to (jolly) Green Valley Ranch. A friend of mine tells me their BlackJack is fine, but I don't know if they have midi-Bacc., where I may touch the cards. I assume their limits are pretty low though.

Circa, I don't know nothin' about that - yet!

Another new one I wanted to check out is at the old Fontainebleu - The Drew - but looks like that won't be online until late 2022. Resorts World (Stardust site) will open 2021.

For any who still doubt that your personal credit is run when you apply for a casino credit line, I applied last week for another line at a casino in Vegas, for an upcoming trip (basically because one of the major casinos in Vegas I play at remains closed, so I explored another option), and once the application was made

within seconds I got the alert

that my Experian had been pulled by the casino.

They have a new system within the NCC / Visua Limits application which is common to almost all casinos these days, where after you enter your banking information they give you the option to then verify the accounts instantly via login to your online banking.

Again, to get casino credit you must have:
1 - Good personal credit
2 - Good casino credit (past history of casino marker payments)
3 - Sufficient average balances in your bank accounts - and they look back it appears as far back as nine months - to justify whatever credit line you are requesting.

Another piece of info I'll pass along in case it benefits anyone.

One of my hosts from the old days (decade or more ago) has been an independent host for some time. He and I have stayed in touch and had a long conversation last week.

First off, he told me flat out that he couldn't get me any more comps than a good host at the same property could get me. He told me that he could get me loss rebates - but he knows I don't generally lose - but again, he mentioned that these have to do with the policies at the resort, in that some of the casinos don't even allow loss rebates to U.S. based players, and that he couldn't get me any more than a good on site host as far as these rebates. He could get me airfare reimbursements as a sort of camouflaged loss rebate though, at any resort. But again, I haven't lost other than some individual sessions to have to worry about that much yet, although it would be good to have loss rebates or the equivalent in reserve if needed.

However, he pointed out that he stays on top of all of the events, and could direct me to wherever the best events, promotions and tournaments are ongoing, to maximize whatever we could get out of the properties. That's a given I suppose.

Also, he explained that the rules as far as his taking over my account at a casino where I already have a host, require inactivity for one year - which, I haven't been to any casino since March 2020, but still, would require waiting it out and no action until March 2021, in order for him to take over as my host at any casino where I am already established.

He also suggested some of the Bahamas casinos, but when we travel out of the country, it's just to travel, not for me to gamble. Same with local (Indian) casinos. I don't have time to gamble locally.

He mentioned that most of his players are $150K line or much higher players, but that he'd take anyone he knows from the past even if not at that level.

Of most interest, was when he mentioned a certain property in Vegas, where I am not established, and suggested I play there. I told him that this property told me they didn't want my action and didn't want me to play there, wouldn't even give me a line although I more than qualify financially. Without getting into details, the head table games director at this casino apparently worked under the table games director years ago who banned me for a couple years from blackjack play because I was clocking them too regularly. The director who banned me eventually lifted the ban, but this guy may not know that or may not care that the ban was lifted, and he didn't want my action in his casino at all. This outside host told me not to worry that he knows all the decision makers at that casino and guarantees he could get me in and get me a line at that casino. THIS, sounds interesting - using an outside host to get past a back off. I may take him up on that claim, because the casino in question has probably the lowest house edge blackjack in the city, and it's a nice resort.

Quote: MDawg

Again, to get casino credit you must have:
1 - Good personal credit
2 - Good casino credit (past history of casino marker payments)
3 - Sufficient average balances in your bank accounts

Is #2 a factor if the application is for a first-ever casino line of credit?

Quote: coachbelly

Is #2 a factor if the application is for a first-ever casino line of credit?

I would guess yes as you have no negative casino credit. Getting a first credit line is easy at most casinos. Usually the first credit line will be a maximum of your average balance in your checking or savings account.

When I started gambling again couple years ago, after that decade or so hiatus, I applied for a line at a major casino I had not played at ever before.

As background, back then almost all casinos used Central Credit (a Las Vegas outfit) to record casino credit. Nowadays it has switched mostly to NCC / Visua Limits (out of San Diego). As a result, when I applied for the new line at this one casino that had no personal history on me, they looked only at my NCC which wasn't even recording me back then, and referred to me as a "new player" "just starting out" when I talked to casino credit about my application. As a new (in their eyes) player, even though I had a ton in my bank accounts, they still gave a line half of what I sought. After I had played for about a year they bumped me up to the line I wanted in the first place.

Now, if you're Bill Gates, they're going to give you a 300K line without even looking. (Which 300K is exactly what I read Steve Cyr I think it was offered Bill Gates if he would gamble, as a condition of Gates' not getting booted out of his suite to make way for a real player - Gates declined and departed.) But an unknown player even with high balance bank accounts, at least these days, isn't going to get a huge line without proving himself.

One thing I don't like about the way casinos grant these lines. A guy applies for say a 5K line. He shows he's got 7K average in the bank. Fine. But then he applies for another 5K line at a different casino. All they look at now is - does he owe anything at any other property, and if not, does he have at least five grand in the bank, and then give him another 5K line. And so, a guy can run around town getting lots of 5K lines with really not much more than an average seven grand or so in the bank.

But if he gets blown out, and has say five lines, the casinos haven't really looked into whether his average bank account balance may handle a full blowout.

Now five grand times five lines doesn't sound like much. Maybe the casinos assume the guy can handle it and has liquid assets to cover all the lines even if not always sitting right there in his bank account.

But what if the guy has a fifty grand line, or a hundred, and maintains in his bank account(s) only around whatever it takes to get approved for one line? and he gets five lines. He gets blown out to the tune of $250K or $500K, will he be able to cover it? The casinos should think about that and not approve someone for multiple lines unless he maintains enough cash right there in the account(s) to cover a full blowout at all times.

Quote: DRich

Getting a first credit line is easy at most casinos.

Is it typically better to apply in person or online, or maybe it doesn't matter?