Quote: WizardI have noticed the temperature of this thread has gone down lately and those who participate are better behaved. Mdawg's confession about his baccarat play over the entirety of his trip I found to be very honest and commendable.
At this point, let me make a disclaimer that not only do I think betting systems can't beat the house edge in baccarat, they can't even dent it. This includes whatever Mdawg is doing, without knowing much about it. So, I am not endorsing anything he says. In fact, if he is implying a way to beat baccarat straight up, I would strongly disagree.
However, my respect for free speech is stronger than that. For that reason, I am unhiding this thread. I know this will be met with some controversy. That is fine. I don't expect everybody to agree with me about everything. I do expect everybody here to behave themselves and not make personal attacks.
In conclusion, as I have said many times, let me offer a radical idea to those who don't like Mdawg -- Block him and move on. I would also recommend watching the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt.
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Obviously, I don't care if the thread is hidden or not as I obviously still looked for it and followed it daily. Do I agree with everything MDawg says? No way. It's likely I don't agree with EVERYTHING any one says. MDawg does bring some useful stuff to this thread and other threads in this forum. As I have said many times before, if a freakin internet forum or message board is enough to make you want to fight, make threats or ruin your day, you probably should evaluate your life. LoL
“You might as well argue with a mirror as argue with each other. After all, aren’t we all really the same person?”
Quote: WizardQuote: AxelWolfDidn't you make a deal/agreement with KJ regarding this thread?
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The deal was that I would move it to the "betting systems" category, which I did and haven't changed.
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IMO and I repeat IMO, isn't this evidence, again, that AxelWolf doesn't read or follow very carefully what goes on here, and then comments? At least this time Axel was polite enough to ask to clarify what he remembered, rather than state outright based on a misreading or misrecollection. Such as when he thought that mwalz9 was playing in Vegas casinos when mwalz9 has always made it clear exactly what casinos he frequents.
Respectfully,
Marcus Clark, aka MarcusClark66
DD Blackjack. 500 - 25000.
More or less even for quite some time, then some heavy downward motion, then a swift movement back to even and a period when I couldn't lose a hand (whether I expected that or not, is another question).
I was told that my average bet for this session was close to 5000. Wow. Wow. A lot of action.
All's well that ends well.
+3500
Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.
I'll contribute five hundred from my end for the Wizard's time if the Challenger will do the same, so that's $19,000. to the winner of this side Challenge.
This Side Challenge remains good for the duration of this particular Vegas trip.
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: WizardQuote: AxelWolfDidn't you make a deal/agreement with KJ regarding this thread?
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The deal was that I would move it to the "betting systems" category, which I did and haven't changed.
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IMO and I repeat IMO, isn't this evidence, again, that AxelWolf doesn't read or follow very carefully what goes on here, and then comments? At least this time Axel was polite enough to ask to clarify what he remembered, rather than state outright based on a misreading or misrecollection. Such as when he thought that mwalz9 was playing in Vegas casinos when mwalz9 has always made it clear exactly what casinos he frequents.
Respectfully,
Marcus Clark, aka MarcusClark66
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I don't see anything wrong with asking clarification on a memory especially when Axel wasn't even party to the original deal.
He received clarification. Insulting his ability to read or follow closely was unnecessary.
Especially after you mentioned something about free $7.99 blankets in response to the post of mine below which had no mention of blankets.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/other-casinos/35435-a-2nd-ny-ap-move/#post828031
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: WizardQuote: AxelWolfDidn't you make a deal/agreement with KJ regarding this thread?
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The deal was that I would move it to the "betting systems" category, which I did and haven't changed.
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IMO and I repeat IMO, isn't this evidence, again, that AxelWolf doesn't read or follow very carefully what goes on here, and then comments? At least this time Axel was polite enough to ask to clarify what he remembered, rather than state outright based on a misreading or misrecollection. Such as when he thought that mwalz9 was playing in Vegas casinos when mwalz9 has always made it clear exactly what casinos he frequents.
Respectfully,
Marcus Clark, aka MarcusClark66
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Maybe I'm missing something, because I haven't been following every post very carefully.
Perhaps you can help.
Is asking for clarification on matters of interest inappropriate?
Is it required to always be interested in everything that's going on?
I believe here, he misquoted me but I believe the quote was something to the effect of that I stated that he barely skims whatever I write, and then jumps in to respond, and his saying that he barely reads 20% of what I write, confirms what I alleged that day.
Quote: AxelWolflet me help you with a more accurate statement: That you believe he plays at any significant level, amazes me. I.e. that he plops down 10k on a bet.
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I plopped down $25,000. on a bet just in the latest posted session.... Actually, I don't like that word "plopped." Let's say that I reasoned or calculated that it was time to wager $25,000. in that session.
However, maybe he has altered that thinking and congratulates me now.
Forum Members: "Hold my beer."
Quote: mwalz9The Wiz: "I have noticed the temperature of this thread has gone down lately..."
Forum Members: "Hold my beer."
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The temperature goes down when it's hidden!
Hmmm!
I can only assume they've been previously addressed.
Clarification edit: old disputes such as
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/126/#post829027
The current matter of asking an administrator for clarification would seem to be appropriate.
But it has also riled some in the blackjack community and a sports handicapper. So, I'm curious. Some say you play with no advantage. How can that be?
If you choose to speak to a count you employ or strategies beyond the "Norm" 😉 it would be interesting.
From my limited reading, you play double deck in high limit rooms. DO you count two tables? 🤣
It this post is deemed unacceptable to forum administration, I will delete. No harm. No foul. NO?
If the private table is located in the main high limit salon area, which is the case with some casinos, yes there might be other public tables close by that I might glance at, but no, I wouldn't be actively counting those other tables.
Not trying to start a dreadful count debate. Just thought you made some interesting observations.
Quote: WizardI would also recommend watching the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt.
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Speaking of, I recall watching something or other about this? Maybe it was a replay of an old CBS News episode or some other news documentary.
Hustler publisher hustles casino money for ‘48 Hours’
Flynt was staying at that same 15,000 sq. ft. suite that Alan the former Canadian mattress maker stayed at, and played Blackjack right in his room, to the tune of $15K a hand X 3 hands at a time, clocking the Las Vegas Hilton for over a million (after getting ahead $1.5M in two other casinos, but giving all that back).
It seems Flynt was considered a higher roller than Alan because if you recall from the Theroux documentary, Alan's host Richard Wilk could barely get him a $3000. Neiman Marcus gift card, while Larry got a $30K one (and a pair of $36,000. diamond earrings for his fiancee).
Because it's sometimes hard to view ReviewJournal or VegasSun articles without a subscription, I post the text of the article in full, below.
Hustler publisher hustles casino money for ‘48 Hours’
Martin Kuz
Wednesday, Dec. 17, 1997 | 11:05 a.m.
Call it "The Casinos vs. Larry Flynt." And just like in the movies, the porn king goes home a winner -- even if Las Vegas' reputation may not.
The notorious Hustler magazine publisher, lionized last year as a First Amendment hero in the Oscar-nominated film "The People vs. Larry Flynt," strong arms the spotlight again as the featured high roller on a Las Vegas-themed "48 Hours."
The CBS news magazine, which airs at 10 p.m. Thursday on KLAS Channel 8, taps into the nation's insatiable yen for Sin City with a show titled "Vegas Stripped." Pulling back the lid on the rarely glimpsed world of high-stakes gamblers and the silk-glove treatment they receive from casinos, correspondent Harold Dow trailed Flynt around for 48 hours and watched him score $1 million playing blackjack.
On a more sobering subject -- one that undoubtedly will stoke the ire of elected officials and other protectors of the city's image -- "48 Hours" turns the klieg lights on an uglier aspect of Las Vegas: teen prostitution.
Dow de-scribed "Ve-gas Stripped" as "a snapshot of the bright lights and the not-so-bright areas of the city." On the bright-lights side, "48 Hours" wanted to chronicle two days in the life of a high roller -- or "whale," in gaming parlance. Of the country's 200 to 300 "whales" who regularly play Las Vegas, only Flynt took the bait and agreed to be filmed.
CBS camera crews followed Flynt to the Rio hotel-casino and watched him win $900,000 and $600,000 in separate sittings, only to lose it back. Flynt eventually hit the big money at the Las Vegas Hilton, where he played $15,000-a-hand blackjack -- three hands at a time -- and walked away after roughly 14 hours of work with $1 million.
The show reveals other mind-boggling privileges out of the grasp of the average quarter-slot player, including the 15,000-square-foot Hilton suite Flynt stayed in free of charge. Viewers may be caught between envy and revulsion watching Flynt's fiancee Liz Berrios receive a pair of $36,000 diamond earrings from the Hilton merely because he suggested as much. Not to be out-excessed, the Rio gave Berrios a $20,000 gift certificate to Neiman-Marcus to make up for her limousine showing up late.
As for the city's "not-so-bright" underbelly, "48 Hours" documents the travails of a 14-year-old prostitute arrested for having sex with a man in a casino hotel room while his wife was gambling downstairs. The show follows the young woman through a juvenile detention center and counseling sessions.
In anticipation that some viewers might regard CBS's preoccupation with a porn impresario and adolescent hookers as yet another contract on the city's reputation, Dow responded Tuesday from New York that the show is "not at all a hit piece."
"It's open-minded. You could take any city in America and see the dark side. There's not a place where it's all milk and honey. And when you attract all that money like Las Vegas does, you attract other parts of society as well."
But predictably, city officials are bracing for the worst. Mayor Jan Laverty Jones, still miffed about a "48 Hours" broadcast six years ago that she said suggested "all our high school kids hang out at casino corners," blasted the upcoming program as "second-rate tabloid journalism."
"It would be all right to look at some of these things if they had called my office and asked to be shown the other side: our neighborhoods, our schools, our school children ...," Jones said. "But they're going to follow Larry Flynt of Hustler magazine around and then showcase some of our teen prostitutes? Give me a break."
Jones added she would watch the program "only if I feel the need to aggravate myself."
For hotel officials, allowing a national news program into their inner sanctum was something of a public relations gambit. Yet Las Vegas Hilton spokesman Timothy Chanaud, while conceding "we would have preferred not to be included in the same mix as a story on teen prostitutes," said hotel executives remained "comfortable" with their decision to let CBS in.
That could change if for any reason "48 Hours" ignites the kind of response "Prime Time Live" touched off earlier this year with a segment on alleged wrongdoing within Nevada's gaming regulatory system. The show triggered months of finger pointing among numerous state officials including Attorney General Frankie Sue Del Papa and Gaming Control Board Chairman Bill Bible.
There was another table that was $50-$2,000 that had 1-2 players and I expect there'd be many more hands per hour.
Quote: ChumpChangeI saw the slowest Baccarat game ever last night. There were 10 people playing the Midi table that had $100-$3,000 limits, and there was a crowd of another 10 standing around watching. So everybody bet Banker and it took the Dealer a good 5 minutes to pay off everybody and he was taking the 5% vig during the payouts, no lammers of what people owed. There were stacks of black & green chips throughout the table and the Dealer had to pay some people off in purples & oranges (I assume $1,000 chips and there was a call out by the Dealer for those). The player would spend 20 seconds reading his cards and severely crinkling them. Maybe he has a special crinkle for each card. Do they reuse this deck or not? I would think not. I prefer players never touch the cards if they are going to vandalize every card they get. The next hand, everybody bet Banker but Player won, so it was a good 2 minutes for the Dealer to collect all the losing bets because of the mish mash of chips stacked up by the players. Some chips jumped out of his hand and started rolling towards some of the players so he had to quickly get the players attentions to retrieve them. So the estimated 12 hands per hour has been increased by losing bets. One player had a cup holder filled with a stack of purples & oranges.
There was another table that was $50-$2,000 that had 1-2 players and I expect there'd be many more hands per hour.
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MIDI cards never reused. Collected, bagged and tagged with Identification numbers marked on the outside of the bag.
Average shoes of bac with several players at a table always take 2 to 2.5 hours on the average to complete.
I'm pretty sure that he only agreed to that based on the fact that betting systems we're supposed to be hidden from the recent threads.Quote: WizardQuote: AxelWolfDidn't you make a deal/agreement with KJ regarding this thread?
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The deal was that I would move it to the "betting systems" category, which I did and haven't changed.
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Anyway, what are you trying to do? You allasudden the spokesman for a banned member? Did he ask you to do this or what is your motivation here?
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Average shoes of bac with several players at a table always take 2 to 2.5 hours on the average to complete.
If there are a little less than 20 hands per hour, it will take 4 or or more hours to go through an 80 hand shoe.
Some casinos will give players a flat hour of play time per Baccarat shoe for comp calculations, whether they play the shoe in twenty minutes or three hours.
That would be correct since you post on multiple forums and in an investment thread.Quote: MDawgThis allegation of that AxelWolf barely reads or just skims most of what has been read before jumping in with argument, has been discussed before, including with regards to my posts.
I believe here, he misquoted me but I believe the quote was something to the effect of that I stated that he barely skims whatever I write, and then jumps in to respond, and his saying that he barely reads 20% of what I write, confirms what I alleged that day.
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I'm glad to see that your 'thread' will now turn back into the AxelWolf thread.
I wouldn't say such a post would be worth anywhere near a 600th touchdown football, but maybe worth something, to someone.
I recently achieved a milestone in something and was awarded a big bonus, so, milestones may be profitable, for the conquistador!
Super profitable.
Quote: MDawgSadly, your 20,000th post wasn't made in my thread.
I wouldn't say such a post would be worth anywhere near a 600th touchdown football, but maybe worth something, to someone.
I recently achieved a milestone in something and was awarded a big bonus, so, milestones may be profitable, for the conquistador!
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Well Axel's 20,000 post was in his "rival for the post king" thread about relinquishing the throne so it was more suitable over there.
While I have had my arguments with both you and EB, I never blocked you. I did block EB. There is a difference between sparring, even heated sparring and EB's downright insulting to be insulting jabs.
Quote: Marcusclark66If your in a shopping mall and you don’t like a store or agree with their corporate profile for some reason, you would pass right by it, no?
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I’m kind of surprised nobody had any comments on this, because I know it’s true, everybody I ask would have to agree with it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: Marcusclark66If your in a shopping mall and you don’t like a store or agree with their corporate profile for some reason, you would pass right by it, no?
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I’m kind of surprised nobody had any comments on this, because I know it’s true, everybody I ask would have to agree with it beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Because it's a bad analogy.
Perhaps a better analogy or question would be if a doctor was making claims like he knew how to cure Herpes with a regimen of Snicker's bars and peanut butter cups then would his quack science not be rightfully refuted and reported?
Would a few patrons who claim they believe in that quack science not be argued down?
And also rule #5 below!
Since when have confessions become a commendable thing?Quote: WizardI have noticed the temperature of this thread has gone down lately and those who participate are better behaved. Mdawg's confession about his baccarat play over the entirety of his trip I found to be very honest and commendable.
My understanding it was nothing but, win win win win win win win win win win for months and months, hundreds of thousands of dollars supposedly( perhaps a small loss in there somewhere only can make up for it the next day or something like that), and all of a sudden he has a few non disclosed( how convenient) extraordinary big losses.
And did you ever awner that question when you claimed he never collected a loss rebate? We can always ask him.Quote: MDawgThis allegation of that AxelWolf barely reads or just skims most of what has been read before jumping in with argument, has been discussed before, including with regards to my posts.
I believe here, he misquoted me but I believe the quote was something to the effect of that I stated that he barely skims whatever I write, and then jumps in to respond, and his saying that he barely reads 20% of what I write, confirms what I alleged that day.
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Quote: mwalz9RULE 5: "Do not post the same message more than once. This includes posting the same message in two or more places, and re-posting because nobody replied the first time. If you didn't get a response the first time, chances are nobody else had anything to say about it."
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I would file it under Rule 9, Thumbtacking.
Friendly reminder that the rules are still in effect, and more people may be watching now that this thread is less hidden.
Quote: DieterQuote: mwalz9RULE 5: "Do not post the same message more than once. This includes posting the same message in two or more places, and re-posting because nobody replied the first time. If you didn't get a response the first time, chances are nobody else had anything to say about it."
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I would file it under Rule 9, Thumbtacking.
Friendly reminder that the rules are still in effect, and more people may be watching now that this thread is less hidden.
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What rule are you breaking by aiding and abetting the hijacking of this thread? (Me too!)
Quote: Wizard.Mdawg's confession about his baccarat play over the entirety of his trip I found to be very honest and commendable
So then, would you now also conclude that his earlier claim of fifty plus wins in a row was likely not "honest and commendable?"
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An innocent mistake and I apologize sincerely to you and the public wholeheartedly.
It will not happen again at least consciously and if you want, I will stand in a corner for a good 30 minutes this evening after my shift is over.
Quote: MrVSo then, would you now also conclude that his earlier claim of fifty plus wins in a row was likely not "honest and commendable?"
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I already addressed that claim.
DD Blackjack. 300 - 5000.
I bet 5000 twice, won both of those bets, but one came from behind, just happening to come as a catch up bet. Had some periods where I was winning most hands. In all, a pretty smooth session.
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Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.
I'll contribute five hundred from my end for the Wizard's time if the Challenger will do the same, so that's $19,000. to the winner of this side Challenge.
This Side Challenge remains good for the duration of this particular Vegas trip.
Time also doesn't necessarily have everything to do with it. I've won a lot quickly and then other times played for hours and walked away practically even.
What was interesting though is that this player mistrusts machine shuffled cards - the ones that come from the factory. I spoke to a pit boss once a while back about how those cards are prepared - in a "clean" factory where everyone must wear a face mask and hat before entering the prep area - untouched by human hands. All machine shuffled and packaged. Anyway, this player insisted that the factory shuffled cards that are removed from the sealed box be given a second hand shuffle and wash (washing is a procedure where the cards are placed on the table and mixed - not something you see much of these days).
My experience actually is that the Baccarat shoes that are shuffled less, as in simply handed to the player to cut straight out of the machine shuffled box, tend to "run" better than more shuffled cards, so this player's insisting on more shuffling might have even been detrimental to winning, which, I didn't see the player winning much while I was observing.
But if you were planning on running up a $300K buy-in to $3M, you'll have to have a prerequisite LOC to cover your higher betting patterns even though you'd clearly have enough chips on the table to bet more without a higher LOC.
Quote: ChumpChangeI saw the slowest Baccarat game ever last night. There were 10 people playing the Midi table that had $100-$3,000 limits, and there was a crowd of another 10 standing around watching. So everybody bet Banker and it took the Dealer a good 5 minutes to pay off everybody and he was taking the 5% vig during the payouts, no lammers of what people owed. There were stacks of black & green chips throughout the table and the Dealer had to pay some people off in purples & oranges (I assume $1,000 chips and there was a call out by the Dealer for those). The player would spend 20 seconds reading his cards and severely crinkling them. Maybe he has a special crinkle for each card. Do they reuse this deck or not? I would think not. I prefer players never touch the cards if they are going to vandalize every card they get. The next hand, everybody bet Banker but Player won, so it was a good 2 minutes for the Dealer to collect all the losing bets because of the mish mash of chips stacked up by the players. Some chips jumped out of his hand and started rolling towards some of the players so he had to quickly get the players attentions to retrieve them. So the estimated 12 hands per hour has been increased by losing bets. One player had a cup holder filled with a stack of purples & oranges.
There was another table that was $50-$2,000 that had 1-2 players and I expect there'd be many more hands per hour.
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Years back around 2000 or so and forever before, if you think it’s slow today actually all of the players used to get the shoe and the dealers never handled the shoe except for the shuffle.
The camaraderie, the show, the overall togetherness was huge compared to today in baccarat action. If I can recall correctly most times it wasn’t a constant chop played as well by one player that ‘knows it all’.
Each player kept the shoe as long as they made a banker and then they would have to pass to shoe counterclockwise when they made the first player. Every shoe that I can remember was an excess of three hours.
Quote: WizardI have noticed the temperature of this thread has gone down lately and those who participate are better behaved. Mdawg's confession about his baccarat play over the entirety of his trip I found to be very honest and commendable.
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Let me clarify that the word "confession" may have given the wrong idea. I do not mean to imply Mdawg was being dishonest before.
Quote: MDawgYes! I do recall playing with holding the shoe. Actually up until this year Caesar's Vegas still had the grand Baccarat table with the manual shoe any player could take custody of while playing. I have done it myself, years ago when I first started playing. But the thing is - holding the shoe - while you're allowed to bet either side - makes sense psychologically only when you're on a Bank run.
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You were absolutely correct. I have witnessed people years ago lose large sums of money they could have easily profited on because they only wanted that bank run and they were holding the shoe.
However, I do recall a very small amount of people profiting when it was predominately players that were winning repetitively.
Another Apple device I have been experimenting with is AirTags. I bought quite a few of them in the past couple months, and have placed them so far in a small valise, my laptop carrying case, my wallet, and one of my watch cases. I already have a much more expensive GPS system attached to my watches/watch cases but I’m trying to see how these AirTags work too.
The AirTags are not all that small (1.26 inches diameter, 0.31 inches height) but they will fit in a wallet. They transmit a Bluetooth signal that is picked up by any nearby Apple device capable of receiving and transmitting across the Apple Find My network, such as an iPhone. There are hundreds of millions of such devices worldwide, but if the AirTag is not near one, it will not function.
I’ve tested them and they are surprisingly accurate to within inches as to how far away the tagged device is. They notify you if your tagged item is separated from you, and if you are separated from your AirTags for too long the tags beep (this feature supposedly prevents them from being used to stalk someone, as the beep might alert someone to that some alien device is near them). I have noticed that they don’t work so well from inside a safe or safety deposit box – once an item is placed inside these, the bluetooth signal won’t make it out more than a few feet.
In all, not a bad little toy at $29. each ($99. for 4) that might come in handy if your tagged item is lost or stolen.
I’m not sure how long the batteries in them last, but I am keeping a supply of these with me in case.