Quote: WizardLet the record show that MDawg allowed me to view privately a picture that included a picture of a 100K Vegas casino chip. The picture was verifiably taken yesterday. The chip comes from the same casino at which I viewed him play. Within this picture was also a picture of a 100 Grand candy bar, and also his platinum Day Date Rolex that I handled personally when I met with him.
Having the chip means nothing to me about what he does, it just means he has converted that much cash into a chip at the casino.
I bought in for $1,000 last night at my small local casino and played blackjack for 2 shoes. Cashed out with $1400. The cashier told me congratulations on my big win.
Big? I won $400. The $1000 was my own money.
Same principle. Bigger scale.
Quote: mwalz9Having the chip means nothing to me about what he does, it just means he has converted that much cash into a chip at the casino.
I bought in for $1,000 last night at my small local casino and played blackjack for 2 shoes. Cashed out with $1400. The cashier told me congratulations on my big win.
Big? I won $400. The $1000 was my own money.
Same principle. Bigger scale.
There are three camps apparently concerning MDawg.
1) He is a phony posting fake info and pics
2) He is super wealthy, living the life but still losing at Baccarat
3) He actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.
(Technically there is 4) which are those who believe he is winning as he says through luck and telekinesis but I am leaving out the ridiculous notions from this post)
In years past, a positive nod from the Wizard was enough to validate a person making claims. That's why there were calls in here to have the Wiz watch MDawg play.
I find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough
Quote: darkozThere are three camps apparently concerning MDawg.
1) He is a phony posting fake info and pics
2) He is super wealthy, living the life but still losing at Baccarat
3) He actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.
(Technically there is 4) which are those who believe he is winning as he says through luck and telekinesis but I am leaving out the ridiculous notions from this post)
In years past, a positive nod from the Wizard was enough to validate a person making claims. That's why there were calls in here to have the Wiz watch MDawg play.
I find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough
Maybe the reason there are so many skeptics is brought on by personality? Maybe more humbleness would hinder different feelings about what he does.
Rolex, Timex.
Nickel, Barney.
100 Grand, Kit Kat.
Does any of it really matter?
Quote: mwalz9Maybe the reason there are so many skeptics is brought on by personality? Maybe more humbleness would hinder different feelings about what he does.
Rolex, Timex.
Nickel, Barney.
100 Grand, Kit Kat.
Does any of it really matter?
You hit it on the nail.
But what does that say about a math forum?
That if the math or methods are called legit by the Wizard but the poster has a lousy personality the math cred should be ignored?
Quote: darkozThere are three camps apparently concerning MDawg.
1) He is a phony posting fake info and pics
2) He is super wealthy, living the life but still losing at Baccarat
3) He actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.
(Technically there is 4) which are those who believe he is winning as he says through luck and telekinesis but I am leaving out the ridiculous notions from this post)
In years past, a positive nod from the Wizard was enough to validate a person making claims. That's why there were calls in here to have the Wiz watch MDawg play.
I find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough
Quote: darkoz
But what does that say about a math forum?
That if the math is legit but the poster has a lousy personality the math should be ignored?
There is not any legit math to change those odds. Maybe the possibility exist of exploiting a possible procedural flaw from a sloppy dealer. Have any board members living in Vegas noticed over the last two weeks that the Wizard is not available for business? Or been spotted playing Baccarat 16 hours a day?
Quote: darkozI find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough
Your quote above is a statement that the Wizard did not make.
The Wizard did not assert that MDawg actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.
You are reading that into whatever little Wizard has written about his experience with MDawg, but that is just wishful thinking on your part, because the Wizard did not assert, imply or write anything of the sort.
Quote: darkozThere are three camps apparently concerning MDawg.
1) He is a phony posting fake info and pics
No comment. I'm in fear of the jackbooted mods who instead of singing These Boots Are Made For Walking, they sing These Boots Are Made for Stomping..
Quote: mwalz9Having the chip means nothing to me about what he does,
it just means he has converted that much cash into a chip at the casino.
What are the logistics involved in converting $100K in cash into a $100K chip?
I suspect that your scenario above would not be permitted,
but MDawg would know for sure.
Additionally, either you believe what I have been posting for years about being a credit line player, or not. If it's not all hogwash, then there is absolutely no way for me to get a check out of any U.S. casino other than for winnings. And if you don't understand that, then you aren't qualified to even comment on this matter.
What some of this comes down to is various people displaying shocking ignorance for how the casinos work. But, that doesn't stop some of them from spouting off.
All of this was the sort of thing I was trying to provide to the Wizard weeks ago to substantiate my winning. Besides the below, I was and continue to be willing to show the Wizard any images of any pit winnings checks I have obtained or will obtain. (I keep the timeline deliberately vague to throw off the busybody hounds.)
Quote: MDawgThe move of this thread to the Betting Systems was done via mutual agreement between the Wizard and myself.
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About a week after arriving in Vegas, at the point where I was 44K ahead, I contacted the Wizard via PM here at the forum. I proposed that we meet on the Strip at the casino at which I had/have been playing, to verify the following:
(1) That I was in fact ahead at least the dollar amount claimed.
(2) That I do have a credit line of X dollars at the casino I am playing at.
I envisioned that we would walk into the general host’s office and ask the host on duty to verify the above, and as well to any pit boss station to verify the same. If the Wizard had some other way he felt that the win could be verified, I was fine with that too. I offered to buy the Wizard lunch (comp’ed for me, but still, on me) and to cover his parking expenses if we meet at a casino where parking is not free.
I did not offer to have Wizard watch any of my play. I don’t like to play other than alone, and if you have followed some of my trip reports, you know that there are times when serious money is in play and I am down before coming back ahead, and I don’t need the extra pressure of someone’s presence when dollars such as these are at stake. I don’t have a problem with taking Wizard to a table and pulling a marker and playing a few hands, but when I play I play for real and not for show, and I don’t need or want the added pressure of having to perform during a fixed time period. This is not a game to me, I have never viewed casino play as anything other than a business proposition like any other.
The Wizard agreed, but responded that he was busy and couldn’t meet until April 11th. He stated that it was all right with him to disclose that I had proposed this meeting, but I declined, I told him that I didn’t want to just talk about our meeting, but to actually do it.
Since my original PM I have been PM’ing the Wizard regularly, and asking if we could meet sooner. The Wizard let me know that he did go to the opening of the new Virgin Vegas casino March 25th, but didn’t have time to see me. I proposed meeting last week, but the Wizard informed me that he would be out of town. I proposed that we meet tomorrow, but the Wizard has other plans tomorrow. At any point where we would have met or will meet, whatever dollar amount I am ahead, as reported at WOV, could have been or will be verified.
Finally, today, the Wizard informed me that
“I am still looking for any excuse to come out to the Strip, but just can't find any. I am happy to meet you, but don't think it will prove anything. I do not dispute you play and are winning.”
and we agreed that since we may not even be meeting anytime soon, that I should go ahead and disclose what has been discussed and going on.
I am currently approximately $81,000 ahead and have been in Vegas continuously gaming as reported precisely in my trip reports.
The offer to meet the Wizard under the above terms remains, and the original PM I sent to him is posted below.
I will be returning to posting trip reports without commenting further on most of your posts, as I have been doing for some time.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozI find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough
Your quote above is a statement that the Wizard did not make.
The Wizard did not assert that MDawg actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.
You are reading that into whatever little Wizard has written about his experience with MDawg, but that is just wishful thinking on your part, because the Wizard did not assert, imply or write anything of the sort.
Not only are you incorrect but MDawg has implied a few times himself he is playing with an advantage.
In case you don't understand what an advantage in gambling is it means you have a mathematical advantage. Any advantage that doesn't overcome the math (a non-mathematical advantage) is NOT an advantage any more than Pork that's Kosher isn't Pork.
Quote: darkozIn case you don't understand what an advantage in gambling is
it means you have a mathematical advantage.
You are the only one who has claimed or even implied
that MDawg is playing with a mathematical advantage.
Quote: coachbellyYou are the only one who has claimed or even implied
that MDawg is playing with a mathematical advantage.
When did I claim or imply MDawg was playing with a mathematical advantage?
Quote: coachbellyYou are the only one who has claimed or even implied
that MDawg is playing with a mathematical advantage.
What’s your theory of MDawg trip reports?
1) Betting system that works?
2) Luck?
3) Advantage play?
4) Other (please elaborate)?
Quote: cwwbjrPlease define betting system versus advantage play.???
A betting system is where you methodically raise or lower your wagers based on previous decisions.
For example bet $5. If lose, repeat. If win, bet, $10 etc.
Those don't work
Advantage play is where some advantage not necessarily intrinsic to the game is exploited
For example, Phil Ivey and his edge sorting at Baccarat such that he can tell what the first card of each hand is.
Card counting is advantage because Blackjack is one of the few games where future hands are affected by past hands.
There are lots of advantage plays that work and pretty much no betting systems that work
Quote: darkozWhen did I claim or imply MDawg was playing with a mathematical advantage?
Quote: darkozMy camp and claim is that MDawg is an advantage player but won't admit it
and is trying to make it appear as if he has overcome the house edge
without an advantage.
Quote: darkozWizard does NOT need to follow MDawg around day after day.
All he needs to do is understand what mathematical advantage
and "strategy" MDawg employs and with his knowledge of gambling math
determine if it's feasible.
The Wizard has identified this as a play that is possible and witnessed it.
Quote: darkozMDawg has an AP Baccarat equivalent of an atom bomb.
Quote: darkozHis consistent winning is due to some other advantage
Quote: darkozWhich pretty much leaves just advantage play
Quote: darkozIn case you don't understand what an advantage in gambling is
it means you have a mathematical advantage
Quote: coachbelly
I don't see which of those quotes applies.
Are you implying that the Wizard and MDawg claim a mathematical advantage?
The next thing that needs proving is your record of profit over time, at the casinos. It’s entirely up to you how, or whether, you do this.
Quote: darkozI don't see which of those quotes applies.
Are you implying that the Wizard and MDawg claim a mathematical advantage?
They all apply...in each quote you claim MDawg is playing with an advantage.
Then in the last quote you explain that an advantage means mathematical advantage.
Neither Wizard nor MDawg implied MDawg plays with a mathematical advantage,
but you did.
Quote: darkozMy camp and claim is that MDawg is an advantage player
Quote: WellbushI don’t think you need to prove these things, MD. It’s only for the perpetual doubters.
The next thing that needs proving is your record of profit over time, at the casinos. It’s entirely up to you how, or whether, you do this.
Who cares about his Punto Banco winning ways or not anymore, I would like to hear
about his system for generating so many Fanboys.
Quote: coachbellyThey all apply...in each quote you claim MDawg is playing with an advantage.
Then in the last quote you explain that an advantage means mathematical advantage.
Neither Wizard nor MDawg implied MDawg plays with a mathematical advantage,
but you did.
Are you saying there is an advantage over math games like Baccarat that is not mathematical?
Quote: WellbushI don’t think you need to prove these things, MD. It’s only for the perpetual doubters.
The next thing that needs proving is your record of profit over time, at the casinos. It’s entirely up to you how, or whether, you do this.
I have posted all of my WIN LOSS statements for 2018 - 2020, proving that there have been nothing but WINS. And then the Wizard witnessed session went just like any others I have posted, with a typical mid four figure win. At this point there is not much more I can or would be willing to do as far as trying to prove the reality of my lifetime winning ways, given that I've been advised by even a couple of the former detractors, to post less, for security reasons.
Quote: MDawgI have posted all of my WIN LOSS statements for 2018 - 2020, proving that there have been nothing but WINS. And then the Wizard witnessed session went just like any others I have posted, with a typical mid four figure win. At this point there is not much more I can or would be willing to do as far as trying to prove the reality of my lifetime winning ways, given that I've been advised by even a couple of the former detractors, to post less, for security reasons.
You have nothing more to prove then, MD 👍
Quote: rainmanWho cares about his Punto Banco winning ways or not anymore, I would like to hear
about his system for generating so many Fanboys.
I will only be replying to these sort of queries on my ‘Beat the House at Blackjack!!!!’ thread
Quote: MDawgI have posted all of my WIN LOSS statements for 2018 - 2020, proving that there have been nothing but WINS. And then the Wizard witnessed session went just like any others I have posted, with a typical mid five figure win. At this point there is not much more I can or would be willing to do as far as trying to prove the reality of my lifetime winning ways, given that I've been advised by even a couple of the former detractors, to post less, for security reasons.
How is the session the Wizard witnessed a 5 figure win?
I guess if its your lie , you can tell it how you want to.
This will be my last comment on this thread. I dont wanna cause someone to pull a muscle patting themself on the back!
Quote: MDawgI have posted all of my WIN LOSS statements
Just the fact that you are doing all of this on a public forum for no apparent reason throws up big red flags for me. You spend a huge amount of time writing these posts, and posting the pictures, and for what reason. You gain nothing from it. Where are all the other High Roller winners, why aren't they here making the same kinds of posts. You know why they're not here? Because they have nothing to prove to themselves or anybody else, they are actually out there doing it, not talking about it. Why is it sooooo important that you prove to people that you do what you say you do. The only people that count, the only people you have to prove yourself to, are all in the casino. And if you were doing that, what the people on this forum thought about what you were doing would mean diddly-squat to you.
Look at somebody like Axle. He's actually out there running his plays, making money. Do you see him here bending over backwards trying to convince everybody about what he's doing. Why would he do that, he's already convinced the people that matter. The casino. Why would he care what we thought.
To each his own. If he wants to post, he should post.Quote: EvenBobJust the fact that you are doing all of this on a public forum for no apparent reason throws up big red flags for me.
I posted pictures of a hike I did up near Mt Charleston. I thought it would be of interest to some people on this forum. But I doubt that very many people on this forum will go do that hike. And that's OK.
Like I said, to each his own.
Masks still mandatory, fortunately.
Last night, luckily, I played alone at a higher minimum table.
Coming back upstairs in the elevator there were 5 of us. Stopped at a floor and 7 guys who were all together tried to get in.
"No, you're not all coming in here."
They obeyed - but for how long? Some people are starting to act like this is over, and it's not.
Pulled a not so large marker, and, got up about 4500 betting not so very large. Then as I stepped it up, I actually went all the way back to even a couple of times, and even case bet five thousand more than once, and won twice and tied another time where I hit to 0 with a 3 + 7 but dealer amazingly also hit to 0 with a 4 + 6.
"Never give up!" was what the pit boss said.
Ended up walking with just a couple thousand as I wasn't into playing a marathon session that day.
+2000
Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
Quote: MDawgOne thing I don’t like - and the reason we might leave soon - is the loosening of anti COVID restrictions. Plexiglass barriers are starting to come down at the tables and even though the limit is four they are crowding more than four at the Baccarat tables at times.
Last night, luckily, I played alone at a higher minimum table.
Coming back upstairs in the elevator there were 5 of us. Stopped at a floor and 7 guys who were all together tried to get in.
"No, you're not all coming in here."
They obeyed - but for how long? Some people are starting to act like this is over, and it's not.
Every place I've been at has signs limiting guests and pretty much everyone has respected everyone. Usually I'll ask them if they care if I join them or tell people I don't care and invite them. This is because these elevators state you can only ride with people you reside in the room with. The other place has a strict limit and not basically just people you know as the limit, and it was respected and has been respected without giving favors or asking for favors to make exceptions. I think you're over worried. To be practical, just being in the elevator(with no air circulation) by yourself is as dangerous as being squished in with 10 people. Whatever is in there, I would have to assume stays in there. Maybe you'll become the one who doesn't care when others still do at some point.
There were already 5 of us in the elevator, so allowing 7 more people in would have brought it to 12. Also, all 7 of those guys weren't even wearing masks (but were trying to pull them on as they stepped towards the elevator). They seemed to acknowledge that they shouldn't have all been trying to enter an already full elevator, so they just gave up when I said what I said.
I see. Things have not changed every where I go. All standards have held up and remained in many states and many casinos. I'm personally not afraid for my own health, this is a fact. I will remove my mask when walking in hallways alone. I really do not believe I'm actually endangering anyone, but according to the story, maybe I am. Sounds like your biggest concern are the tables, because the floor is ignoring their own rules and that is lax. If the casino employees are ignoring their own rules and laws by letting more people sit than allowed, you don't need red flags, you have found a fire.Quote: MDawgWell from April 30th to May 1st, Vegas went from 6 feet social distancing to 3. 50% to 80%, and allowing 8 in the elevators versus 4.
There were already 5 of us in the elevator, so allowing 7 more people in would have brought it to 12. Also, all 7 of those guys weren't even wearing masks (but were trying to pull them on as they stepped towards the elevator). They seemed to acknowledge that they shouldn't have all been trying to enter an already full elevator, so they just gave up when I said what I said.
Played two sessions actually. First, blew a marker, used a second one to reclaim and ended +4500.
Then walked to another casino I haven't played at in a while, just to put in some face time and keep everything active, similar scenario used second marker to come back from behind, and ended a couple hunny ahead. Got a comp ticket for some take out food and carried it all the way back.
+4700
Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
Quote: MDawgDay 38 play
Played two sessions actually. First, blew a marker, used a second one to reclaim and ended +4500.
Then walked to another casino I haven't played at in a while, just to put in some face time and keep everything active, similar scenario used second marker to come back from behind, and ended a couple hunny ahead. Got a comp ticket for some take out food and carried it all the way back.
+4700
Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
😁 I like it, I like it!
The first marker (10K) went while I was playing with someone else at my table. Then drew a 20K marker and pretty much went up from there quickly to -4000. At that point I started to place some 1000 - 3000 bets and the other player at my table was betting against me. On one particular hand where I had 3000 on Bank, he drew a 7 to add to his 1, to make Player's hand 8, and I drew a 9 to add to my initial 0 to win the hand. He fled. He should not have fled though - he should have stuck around, and followed me - especially in that I ended the session after 2 1/2 shoes (average bet 1000) with +4100.
Ole!
Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
Also, in the casino fitness facilities equipment that was removed so that equipment could be spaced farther apart, is due to be returned next week. Social distancing of six feet (every other bicycle, treadmill, etc. turned off ) has already been eliminated. (I assume that the every other slot machine being turned off situation, is being eliminated too.)
Quote: WellbushHere in Australia, it’s very difficult to get COVID-19 even if you wanted it!
Why is that?
Quote: EvenBobWhen people get money the first thing they do if they're married is have separate bedrooms. The reason married people sleep together is usually because they can't afford separate bedrooms. Men and women are meant to sleep separately. Sleep is the most private thing we do and we do it better when we are alone. I hate sleeping with someone, it is a major invasion of my privacy
This guy says a lot of things definitively that are not at all definitive. His opinion on this issue is absurd. I’d just say that if you’re not both overjoyed to be sleeping and waking up next to each other then something’s wrong!
And then his comment on that if a person gets excited over winning a huge hand in a casino, that means he could not possibly be winning at all. Again, absurd.
Quote: mcallister3200You just make stuff up constantly eb.
Exactly.
He is occasionally on the mark though. 🤪
Quote: AxelWolfTo be fair, I have run a couple of car rentals out of gas in some desolate areas and had to hitchhike to the nearest town while she stays with the car.
Quote: EvenBobYou don't realize it, but this speaks boatloads as to the type of person that you are.
And there was some talk, was it from EvenBob? or from someone else, about how buying a one year old car isn’t the greatest deal? I’m looking at a 2019, of a car that is around $200K, and in that case, this might be right as I’m seeing them being sold for not enough to matter from the original MSRP. However, I think this is a recent phenomenon to do with the strength of the used car market. Typically, buying a one or two year old vehicle that is identical (in terms of generation) to the newest model is a good idea.
I see you want to start $#*& up again since your thread is all but dead? Be careful what you wish for.Quote: MDawgThis guy says a lot of things definitively that are not at all definitive. His opinion on this issue is absurd. I’d just say that if you’re not both overjoyed to be sleeping and waking up next to each other then something’s wrong!
And then his comment on that if a person gets excited over winning a huge hand in a casino, that means he could not possibly be winning at all. Again, absurd.
Exactly.
He is occasionally on the mark though. 🤪
And there was some talk, was it from EvenBob? or from someone else, about how buying a one year old car isn’t the greatest deal? I’m looking at a 2019, of a car that is around $200K, and in that case, this might be right as I’m seeing them being sold for not enough to matter from the original MSRP. However, I think this is a recent phenomenon to do with the strength of the used car market. Typically, buying a one or two year old vehicle that is identical (in terms of generation) to the newest model is a good idea.
It's very rare for anyone in the community here, to have covid-19. The only people who usually have it are returned travelers who are in mandatory quarantine and getting tested. If there is ever an outbreak in the community, whole cities here get locked down, even for just a few persons!Quote: MDawgWhy is that?
Australia is the current envy of the world. And the state of our economy would also be, for the same reason. It helps that we're just one big island with a serious coast guard. All the people smugglers know we're not to be messed with. I'd say New Zealand are the same coz they're in a similar position.
Australia and NZ actually have a quarantine-free travel bubble agreement. Meaning travelers both ways don't need to quarantine. Again, outbreaks anywhere mean the travel agreement is rescinded until community transmission is eliminated.
You may not hear about these things for the simple reason of what stories sell - bad covid outbreaks, or good covid containment?
1. If you use a positive progression system, or partially use a positive progressive system with other methods?
2. If you use a negative progression system, or partially use a negative progression system with other methods?
3. If you use both a positive and negative progression system, or partially use both a positive and negative progression system with other methods?
I believe my negative progression system has some real potential. I know the Wiz would find that last sentence blasphemous, but hey, he can tear me to shreds too, like all the others do! 😃
When people get money the first thing they do if they're married is have separate bedrooms. The reason married people sleep together is usually because they can't afford separate bedrooms. Men and women are meant to sleep separately. Sleep is the most private thing we do and we do it better when we are alone. I hate sleeping with someone, it is a major invasion of my privacy
Quote: MDawgThis guy says a lot of things definitively that are not at all definitive. His opinion on this issue is absurd. I’d just say that if you’re not both overjoyed to be sleeping and waking up next to each other then something’s wrong! Yes and no, MD. I'm pretty sure some happily marrieds sleep apart for some legitimate reasons - snoring, farting, bad breath. Isn't this a gambling thread? 😆
And then his comment on that if a person gets excited over winning a huge hand in a casino, that means he could not possibly be winning at all. Again, absurd.AgreedAll persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
Quote: darkozI suspect Wellbush methods of winning at gambling are similar to his skills at using the quote feature
Wellbush is apparently still trying to scrounge up the $2k necessary to put his foolproof system into play. Hey, didn’t MDawg win that EXACT amount from DarkOz? Maybe the big Dawg can finance Wellbush for a defined percentage of Wellbush’s winnings!?!?!?!!!!