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No it isn’t. Play baccarat for fun, no system can beat the game.

Quote:zeldastrike321you haven't explained why it isn't because although it cannot beat the game, because the 7th loss is possible to happen, it is unlikely from the shoes I've observed, how often do you see in any given shoe BPBPBPB? I mostly see BBBBPBPPPPPPBPBBBBB etc? why bet against a streak?

Welcome new user.

I'll keep this short, and I'll shout!. STREAKS MEAN NOTHING

Whatever set of x hands you just saw DOES NOT PREDICT THE NEXT HAND

If you martingale, you will PROBABLY WIN A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY!

If you don't win, you will CERTAINLY LOSE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY

If you want to use Martingale to win a significant amount of money you will have to repeat the MARTY A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TIMES

If you repeat the Marty, your chance of that ONE MASSIVE LOSS IS NOT AT ALL UNLIKELY

EVERY BET YOU PUT ON THE TABLE IS SUBJECT TO THE HOUSE EDGE. THE MORE YOU PUT DOWN - THE MORE YOU LOSE

All you are doing with a Marty style of wagering is constructing a wager where you probably win peanuts {granted] but put your massive bankroll at risk repeatedly.

MARTINGALE IS JUST A FUN WAY TO LOSE MONEY

If you try to ask, in umpteen different ways, why your system is flawed, you will possibly meet hostility here. Don't take it personally. No-one here sees any financial value to Martingale. It doesn't matter whether you bet with streaks, against streaks, baccarat, roulette, blackjack. We all KNOW how dumb Martingale is, and some of us get sick of rewriting the same explanation time after time. It was nonsense 300 years ago, it always has been and always will be.

Quote:VenthusAs I came across elsewhere, the only time that Martingale is a good, serious option is when you need a fairly small amount, and losing it all doesn't make things much worse than not achieving your goal. And the example given was trying to afford getting smuggled out of a war zone.

Hahaha that got weird real quick. You win the internet for today 🤣

I say it is good where good equals having funQuote:zeldastrike321Is this a good betting strategy because so far I haven't placed any bets but just have been observing shoes online and at real live casinos?

for some reason I looked at 1 million 8 deck shoes and have this type of info.Quote:zeldastrike321because the 7th loss is possible to happen, it is unlikely from the shoes I've observed, how often do you see in any given shoe BPBPBPB?

for BPBPBPB

times freq freq/100

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0 656214 65.62%

1 286073 28.61%

2 52240 5.22%

3 5168 0.52%

4 299 0.03%

5 6 0.00%

for PBPBPBP (1 million shoes)

looks to be about the same percentage wise that is

occurrences [PBPBPBP freq

0 668581

1 277377

2 49281

3 4526

4 235

have fun with Marty streakin'

Sally

for some reason I looked at 1 million 8 deck shoes and have this type of info.

for BPBPBPB

times freq freq/100

--------------------------------------------

0 656214 65.62%

1 286073 28.61%

2 52240 5.22%

3 5168 0.52%

4 299 0.03%

5 6 0.00%

so about 1/3 of the shoes had that pattern at least 1 time

WinstatsQuote:zeldastrike321what software are you using is it accessible for me to use?

the file name = winstats.exe

under simulation: Baccarat

you can find it in my online folder in my blog here

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/mustangsally/blog/#post1094

It does not make bets for you.

The author (highschool teacher and good guy Richard Parris)

died a few years ago before that happened and no one has his code.

sad.(his wife may have it)

For betting I use Excel or R (but my files for that is messy right now)

The Wizard has 250k shoes also to look at at Wizard of Odds

https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/basics/

one can remove the T from it using a program like notepad++ (I use it)

and then count for any sequence of BPs too

I get for his 1st 25k shoe file

903179: Ps

927131: Bs

10230: B,P,B,P,B,P,B (average of 179 BP to see that sequence)

9961: P,B,P,B,P,B,P

A

Marty for streaks

does sound fun to play, for me, maybe not for others

I look more at probabilities of doubling a stake later (I think I already have it for Baccarat)

Sally

I've now completed 30 shoes in my testing.

129 times I've won my bet

4 times the streak has hit 8+

I will just be doing this for fun sometime though and go for a short term win on a shoe. Because as others have stated there's no system that will win forever. I just recently learned as well. GL to you though!

forgot to mention that. yes, windows only.Quote:zeldastrike321i cant open winstats.exe on my mac is it only for windows?

I know others that run windows programs on their Mac with no problems. Do not know how difficult that is.

I do not need to do to that.

have fun with Marty. it looks like fun

Sally

Quote:zeldastrike321so you wait for BBBB, then bet P fours times, do bets go 10,20,40,80 only if you lose or regardless of outcome?

I wait for BBBB or PPPP then martingale til I win. If I lose 4 bets in a row I chalk it up to a loss

okQuote:keldogI wait for BBBB or PPPP then martingale til I win. If I lose 4 bets in a row I chalk it up to a loss

sounds fun

also

what I find interesting is

if you or I test say, 250,000 shoes

and start betting after a run of 4 either way

or

just bet after one P win, (for example)

the average win when won

or

the average lost when a loss

is

exactly the same.

so it appears that

waiting for a trigger

only makes one feel good about their betting system selection

does not change the outcome - win or lose

that is so cool to know

Sally

Quote:keldogI wait for BBBB or PPPP then martingale til I win. If I lose 4 bets in a row I chalk it up to a loss

Remember Bayes's Theorem:

The probability that B happens given that A also happens = (the probability that A happens given that B also happens) x (the probability of B happening) / (the probability of A happening)

In this case, let A be "a coin flip comes up heads 4 times in a row," and B be "a coin flip comes up heads 4 more times in a row."

The probability that a coin flip comes up heads 8 times in a row given that it already came up 4 times in a row = (the probability that it came up heads 4 times in a row given that it came up heads 8 times in a row) x (the probability that it comes up 8 times in a row) / (the probability that it comes up 4 times in a row) = 1 x (1/256) / (1/16) = 1/16. Not coincidentally, this is also the probability that the coin comes up heads 4 times in a row regardless of the previous tosses.

Quote:mustangsallyI say it is good where good equals having fun

for some reason I looked at 1 million 8 deck shoes and have this type of info.

for BPBPBPBso about 1/3 of the shoes had that pattern at least 1 timetimes freq freq/100

--------------------------------------------

0 656214 65.62%

1 286073 28.61%

2 52240 5.22%

3 5168 0.52%

4 299 0.03%

5 6 0.00%

for PBPBPBP (1 million shoes)

looks to be about the same percentage wise that isoccurrences [PBPBPBP freq

0 668581

1 277377

2 49281

3 4526

4 235

have fun with Marty streakin'

Sally

can you please punch in the data for BPBPBPBPBP into winstat exe for me and tell me the frequency? There is an online table of baccarat from $1 to $1000 that gives the player 10 times before they bust. I just want to see statistically speaking how likely it is to succeed?

1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512. (doubling of bet)

already had that oneQuote:zeldastrike321can you please punch in the data for BPBPBPBPBP into winstat exe for me and tell me the frequency?

10 million shoes

sequence: BPBPBPBPBP

times freq freq/100

------------------------------

0.00 9542164 95.42%

1.00 452008 4.52%

2.00 5828 0.06%

Sally

Quote:billryanOscars Grind is usually entertaining.

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Welcome back. I've done Oscar's Grind already.

Quote:WizardI haven't debunked a betting system for a while. Can anyone recommend one that I haven't analyzed already?

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How about educated guessing based on patterns. I don't think you've touched on that one.

Win and Leave's another old chestnut as yet un-examined.

Quote:mustangsallyWinstatsQuote:zeldastrike321what software are you using is it accessible for me to use?

the file name = winstats.exe

under simulation: Baccarat

you can find it in my online folder in my blog here

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/mustangsally/blog/#post1094

I get for his 1st 25k shoe file

903179: Ps

927131: Bs

10230: B,P,B,P,B,P,B (average of 179 BP to see that sequence)

9961: P,B,P,B,P,B,P

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Just noticing there's about 24,000 more B's than P's in this result.

903,179 X $100 = $90,317,900 P Win

927,131 x $095 = $88,077,445 B Win

$90,317,900 P Win - $92,713,100 B Loss = -$2,395,200 P Loss Total

$88,077,445 B Win - $90,317,900 P Loss = -$2,240,455 B Loss Total

Playing Banker had about $155K less loss than playing Player in this case.

So if you're playing Player, you're running up against more Banker wins causing you more losses. If you're playing Banker, you're getting shortchanged 5% and it's not enough that you're winning more often than Player by 1 hand per shoe.

Any system I have relies on variance and being ahead by at least 10 bets after 5 shoes, but it could take an extra shoe or two to get there, who knows.

Quote:OnceDear

How about educated guessing based on patterns. I don't think you've touched on that one.

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I would love to hear the details of that one. What are they exactly. Mike can't analyze it if he doesn't know the details so why don't you please explain them. How do you arrive at the 'educated' part.. How do you know when you've reached the point where you can make an educated guess. You seem to be an expert on this, waiting for the details.

Quote:WizardI haven't debunked a betting system for a while. Can anyone recommend one that I haven't analyzed already?

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Quote:TankoQuote:WizardI haven't debunked a betting system for a while. Can anyone recommend one that I haven't analyzed already?

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I watched some of that and the comments were stunning

I read at least 50 of the comments

THERE WASN'T EVEN ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE COMMENT

all praised the system except for a couple of them that had some question about the strategy

many showed gratitude to the guy for their substantial winnings due to his system

.

Quote:lilredroosterQuote:TankoQuote:Wizard

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I watched some of that and the comments were stunning

I read at least 50 of the comments

THERE WASN'T EVEN ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE COMMENT

all praised the system except for a couple of them that had some question about the strategy

many showed gratitude to the guy for their substantial winnings due to his system

.

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So, there we have it. After decades searching the whole internet, this totally foolproof winning system washes up in a quiet backwater of the interweb.

271,000 views and only 146 comments, none of them negative. Could it be that 270864 viewers did not follow up by testing the system? Or did lots of them wander off to put it into practice and have been too busy getting rich to bother to report back?

It's been out there for four months. If you are going to capitalise on it, jump in quick before All the casinos of the world stop running baccarat tables or change the pay table to kill the system.

Let's be grateful indeed that this foolproof system is lost in the millions of scams and snake-oil claims.

Why would a baccarat system work on bubble craps?Quote:ChumpChangeSo all I have to do is bring $130 to the bubble craps machine and bet $1 on the PL, if I lose switch to the DP for $2, if I lose switch to the PL for $4 then $8, then the DP for $16 then $32. Just have to win 1,000 line bets and I'll have $1,130!

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Mind you.... Why would it work on baccarat?

Coming back with starting with a base unit of $2 and raising the base unit $1 for each 64 line wins with no losses. Topping out at the $5, $10, $20, $40, $80, $160 level, so 4 sets of 64 wins in a row, starting with a $260 buy-in, and I can get to near $1,175 cash-out.

Quote:ChumpChangeGot me thinking about raising my base bet 1 unit for each $64 I'm ahead so I'll get to my win goal faster.

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... Because you will never bust out by losing those pesky six or seven wagers in a row?

Why are we even entertaining this marty again.

The OP was in 2018. Maybe the OP has got rich with his/her system.

Quote:OnceDear

... Because you will never bust out by losing those pesky six or seven wagers in a row?

Also, the progression wouldn't ever win its goal of $1.00 whenever a winning bet is on the Banker because of the 5% commission

what a disaster this system is - laughable

.

Quote:lilredroosterQuote:OnceDear

... Because you will never bust out by losing those pesky six or seven wagers in a row?

Also, the progression wouldn't ever win its goal of $1.00 whenever a winning bet is on the Banker because of the 5% commission

what a disaster this system is - laughable

.

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Don't underestimate Marty. LOL. There's no rule that says one stops Martingaling after one winning wager. That's the joy of it: One can repeatedly Martingale towards a one (or 0.95) unit win, time after time forever...... Or until one goes bust, but we all know how unlikely that is. $:o)

Actually, for all my derision, I quite like Marty $:o)

Quote:lilredroosterQuote:TankoQuote:Wizard

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I watched some of that and the comments were stunning

I read at least 50 of the comments

THERE WASN'T EVEN ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE COMMENT

all praised the system except for a couple of them that had some question about the strategy

many showed gratitude to the guy for their substantial winnings due to his system

.

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This smacks of moderated comments, not an amazingly effective baccarat system.

cash out and don't come back....

great movie