Lay on come out (Craps)

Question?
Is it better to lay all the numbers on the come out roll or just one number?
Keep in mind this is just a one time bet and I remove bets after a point is established.

Quote: Laymedown

Question?
Is it better to lay all the numbers on the come out roll or just one number?
Keep in mind this is just a one time bet and I remove bets after a point is established.

Hi Laymedown, and welcome to the forums.

Well, since every single lay comes with vig, and thus a house edge, technically the more numbers you lay the more negative expectation you stand to lose. RE: The more you bet with a negative expectation the more you'll lose. So technically you should lay 0 numbers, to lose the least in the long run... but alas many play craps for fun. So then it's really up to you. The fewer the numbers you lay, the less you'll lose in the long run... but at that point if you really want to lay all the numbers for the come out 7, then go for it =P.

Quote: Laymedown

I remove bets after a point is established.

they all can win at the same time when a 7-out is rolled, but only one can lose at a time [at which point you take the rest down you say] so you are maximizing your chances to win dramatically. It is the reverse mirror of placing all the numbers and seeing them lose all a once dramatically or win one at a time. Seems like it would matter, but it doesnt.

Not a bad plan, but overall the plenty large negative expectation will still prevail.

Might be interesting to simulate.

PS: I didn't vote, just not sure that your overall action is the same as just laying one number. I think so, but frequency of winning and losing both increases in a manner that doesn't matter but might be fun.

If you are laying all the numbers on the come out roll, don't forget to call them "on" and I assume a button will be put on one or all. Never seen this bet in an actual game but what the heck...good luck.

Quote: NokTang

If you are laying all the numbers on the come out roll, don't forget to call them "on" and I assume a button will be put on one or all. Never seen this bet in an actual game but what the heck...good luck.

Aren't lay bets always working, like DC odds?

Quote: Joeman

Aren't lay bets always working, like DC odds?

Yup always working. Maybe not in The Philippines?

I don't think I have seen lay bets made on the come-out. I can picture some places not allowing them. This sort of thing does not stop you from betting the way you want , of course, by just waiting and using the DC when you take all those bets down

Hello Laymedown

Your question seems addressed to the mathematics of Craps, e.g. probabilistic analyses, stochastic processes et al. Please recognize that the dice produce their numbers without regard to the special meanings attached to a few of those numbers by human observers. Specifically, the label of Come Out roll is of no consequence in the mathematics of Lay bets.

Each of your Lay bets is best analyzed as a standalone matter. The several bets have no mutual influence or consequence. The only issue regarding single or multiple bets is the potential aggregate impact upon your table stake.

Quote: DeMango

Yup always working. Maybe not in The Philippines?

It's a valid point. One in which I don't want to mis-lead folks on. I'd at this point revert to making it clear with the dealer when placing the lay bets I wanted them working on the come out, even if the next roll, just to be sure. Lay bets as you know aren't that common. I've played the don't come establishing several don't-points but again, not sure if casino's vary in their assumptions. Cheers.

Oh for the days when casinos operated Gambling Schools on some mezzanine or the like. Small classes, good instructors. Now the free lectures are brief and far too shallow. Many casinos rely on in house TV networks which are far too shallow.

I'm likely to do a review of some of the Wizards videos once I recover from my Irma-Induced restrictions and get a computer with a sound card and speakers that work.