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September 12th, 2010 at 2:53:07 PM permalink

I'll trade you a nickel for all of them, but you have to throw in a cup of coffee.

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 12th, 2010 at 3:16:16 PM permalink

LuckoftheIrish:

I got a chuckle out of some of those system names. Santa Claus Baccarat is my favorite.

You say you collect them as a hobby, but you don't say if you believe in any of them.

So, do you? If so, which ones?

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September 12th, 2010 at 3:30:35 PM permalink

You guys aren't being nice.... People collect comic books, butterflies, old ticket stubs.... as long as you don't USE the systems I think they might be fun and funny to read...

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September 12th, 2010 at 3:47:52 PM permalink

Quote: mkl654321
I will trade my entire set of alchemy manuals, all my witchcraft spells, and my complete manual on how to flap my arms and become airborne.

But if you respond in the NEXT FIVE MINUTES, I will also include my personal astrology manual and star charts.

Trade me your bible and we might have a deal.

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September 12th, 2010 at 3:50:27 PM permalink

Well I have tested many of them. None of them hold up to long term tests. Most of the system seller say that they can beat Zumma flat betting, but there is only one system on that list (that I tested) that beats Zumma flat betting, but it is only due to reverse engineering.

So no, I do not believe in any of them. I do like collecting them though, and will continue to do so.

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September 12th, 2010 at 3:52:24 PM permalink

I can handle anything these guys say to me. I have tested more ideas and systems than most people and I know so far nothing works. I like to read the systems for fun, as some are actually funny and/or interesting.

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September 12th, 2010 at 4:08:38 PM permalink

Quote: LuckoftheIrish
Trade me your bible and we might have a deal.

Sorry. I already traded it for a year's supply of Extenze.

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw

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September 12th, 2010 at 4:31:24 PM permalink

As someone who has a penchant for collecting unusual things, I must say I admire the originality of what your idea. If I had any betting systems, you would be welcome to it for free. Actually, I have the $124.99 Rainsong blackjack system that I wrote about extensively that I wrote about on Wizard' rel='nofollow' target='_blank'>https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/challenge2.html]Wizard of Odds.

Would you be open to discussing trading that in exchange for an article explaining why your collect betting systems, and your results playing/testing them. I'd also be interested in which one beats flat betting and why. Maybe your thoughts about various categories of betting systems. Whatever you want to say, it would be your article. The article would be posted on Wizard of Odds, which I hardly ever accept outside material for, so I hope you might be honored at the request.

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 12th, 2010 at 4:50:56 PM permalink

I've heard that some of these systems can be quite valuable to collectors.

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September 12th, 2010 at 7:34:27 PM permalink

Quote: benbakdoff
I've heard that some of these systems can be quite valuable to collectors.

Yes, I'm not surprised. People will collect anything, including me. If I knew there was a liquid market for them, I'd offer more than a nickel, and wouldn't demand the cup of the coffee. This for the same reason I wouldn't mind buying a Gutenberg Bible if one turned up at a yard sale.

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September 12th, 2010 at 8:11:23 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
Yes, I'm not surprised. People will collect anything, including me.

How many people collect you?

"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563

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September 12th, 2010 at 8:58:43 PM permalink

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How many people collect you?

Dang, I knew I should have reworded that for clarity.

"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)

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September 12th, 2010 at 9:14:23 PM permalink

Quote: mkl654321
Sorry. I already traded it for a year's supply of Extenze.

Yeah, that does it for me. Hey JB: Can we please get a Like Button?

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September 13th, 2010 at 11:24:34 AM permalink

Quote: LuckoftheIrish
I can handle anything these guys say to me. I have tested more ideas and systems than most people and I know so far nothing works. I like to read the systems for fun, as some are actually funny and/or interesting.

I have nothing to trade, but I also find reading these types of "methods" is enjoyable... just for the language and extreme baloney. It's why I have John Patrick books on my shelf (along with other characters) that I've picked up for cheap.

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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September 13th, 2010 at 7:12:34 PM permalink

"just for the language and extreme baloney" >>> Well mister cesspit, my wallet is damn thick. I'll take that without caring what you think. Winning in roulette is only as difficult as you make it out to be, IMO. 5.26%? Big deal. I go grocery shopping and pay taxes on that, so what? 5.26% is a TAX, nothing more. Everyone is so afraid of the big bad house advantage. Some are scared silly over it. lol Ken

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September 13th, 2010 at 7:48:38 PM permalink

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5.26% is a TAX, nothing more. Everyone is so afraid of the big bad house advantage. Some are scared silly over it. lol Ken

I guess you can look at it that way, but you are losing 5.26% of money that you already have. So it is like a 105.26% tax - not only does the casino give you no money in the long run, but it takes your money as well. So, you know, there are some very obvious problems there...

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September 14th, 2010 at 12:02:49 PM permalink

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"just for the language and extreme baloney" >>> Well mister cesspit, my wallet is damn thick. I'll take that without caring what you think. Winning in roulette is only as difficult as you make it out to be, IMO. 5.26%? Big deal. I go grocery shopping and pay taxes on that, so what? 5.26% is a TAX, nothing more. Everyone is so afraid of the big bad house advantage. Some are scared silly over it. lol Ken

Overly sensitive much? I may not actually have been talking about you, you know. Or do I have some of your books on my shelf?

I've stated multiple times that I actually think your methods are perfectly reasonable ways to play Roulette, and I've also shown what the mathematical expectation is in the long term. If I end up playing small stakes Roulette on my next trip, I'm as likely to play my "hit the 29" as I am "two sides of the wheel" or even your "street tracker". Just for giggles. I don't expect my wallet to get thicker, but there's a chance it may.

If I have a choice, I'll avoid paying a 5.26% TAX and pay a 1.41% TAX (or less). Especially as I prefer one game over another anyways.

And it's Doctor Cesspit to you :)

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September 15th, 2010 at 10:15:57 AM permalink

"Overly sensitive much?" >>> No

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September 15th, 2010 at 5:19:55 PM permalink

Quote: mrjjj
"Overly sensitive much?" >>> No

You can't have it both ways, you have to ANSWER all of my questions, not just the ones you like to answer.

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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September 17th, 2010 at 2:40:56 AM permalink

How does TJ Cloutier and Tom McEvoy Championship NL and PL Holdem not survive the long term?

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September 23rd, 2010 at 5:47:08 PM permalink

Quote: thecesspit
You can't have it both ways, you have to ANSWER all of my questions, not just the ones you like to answer.

>>>> Which ones? If I KNOW the answer, I will be more THAN HAPPY to respond. Ken

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September 23rd, 2010 at 11:56:05 PM permalink

Quote: mrjjj
>>>> Which ones? If I KNOW the answer, I will be more THAN HAPPY to respond. Ken

I normally go by counting the question marks. Thats how I tell what a question is. Though sometimes, it's hard to tell what is the question, and what is rhetoric.

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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September 24th, 2010 at 10:26:19 PM permalink

Lets try this again. You said I need to answer your questions. Fire away, I'll do the best I can. If you ask me how many times the #21 was bet on in the last two months at my local casino here, I really dont know, sorry. You guys love to have it both ways. Your BLUFF gets called and you run and HIDE. Ken

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September 24th, 2010 at 11:26:38 PM permalink

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Lets try this again. You said I need to answer your questions. Fire away, I'll do the best I can. If you ask me how many times the #21 was bet on in the last two months at my local casino here, I really dont know, sorry. You guys love to have it both ways. Your BLUFF gets called and you run and HIDE. Ken

I'm right here. I'm not hiding, I'm not having it both ways, I asked questions earlier, you answered exactly one. Something you complain other people do, avoiding hard questions. You are the one avoiding the questions this time, fella. Possibly as your reading comprehension level is sub-high school. I feel no need to repeat myself, despite your capitalization and pretense.

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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September 24th, 2010 at 11:31:31 PM permalink

Quote: thecesspit
I'm right here. I'm not hiding, I'm not having it both ways, I asked questions earlier, you answered exactly one. Something you complain other people do, avoiding hard questions. You are the one avoiding the questions this time, fella. Possibly as your reading comprehension level is sub-high school. I feel no need to repeat myself, despite your capitalization and pretense.

Wrong answer coolbreeze. I am one of the BEST on the boards answering questions. Like I said, assuming I know the answer, you dont want me to guess. In the last 4 days, I have counted around 5 DIFFERENT posters, they dish it out but answer NOTHING in return. Its the internet, not a big surprise. lol Ken

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October 2nd, 2010 at 1:15:09 AM permalink

I trade if at least one of does hit ESTAT 2.5 or 3.0 using Masse Ègale - i assume they don´t - as then you would never made this post.
I assume is me trying to say in a polite way why one would trade garbage with garbage ?

O_o

AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

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February 5th, 2011 at 2:37:21 PM permalink

hi! I am from argentina and wish to know if you can send me some of your systems,in that case I would pay you for them Thanks in advance
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February 5th, 2011 at 8:41:15 PM permalink

Check out this page
Many systems available on it

http://www.racerate.com/

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September 12th, 2011 at 10:43:08 AM permalink

I have a system thats not on that list. Im looking for don tigerts seminar. E-mail me codysummers@yahoo.com

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September 12th, 2011 at 11:40:17 AM permalink

Quote: chucky1963
hi! I am from argentina and wish to know if you can send me some of your systems,in that case I would pay you for them Thanks in advance
marcelo minghetti

Where in Argentina do you play? I've heard that roulette bias play still flies down there; true?

Here's an old book (circa 1910) full of betting systems. Probably you can find something in there that you'll enjoy. Just remember that none of them really work in the long run.

http://www.archive.org/details/montecarloanecdo00bethiala

From the introduction: "A gambler without a system is as a ship without a compass." Might make a fun sig line for somebody.

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December 12th, 2011 at 6:36:59 AM permalink

i have THE BACCARAT WEALTH METHOD from baccaratwealth.com that i will like to trade for (Flat Bet Mini Play).

ThanK's

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December 12th, 2011 at 9:14:32 AM permalink

Quote: patch13
i have THE BACCARAT WEALTH METHOD from baccaratwealth.com that i will like to trade for (Flat Bet Mini Play).

ThanK's

LOL. I'll trade you one turnip, slightly mouldy.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727

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December 12th, 2011 at 9:43:26 AM permalink

Quote: patch13
i have THE BACCARAT WEALTH METHOD from baccaratwealth.com that i will like to trade for (Flat Bet Mini Play).

I submit this picture of a spider in exchange for the BACCARAT WEALTH METHOD. I value this picture at $104 so trust it is a fair trade.

(click on the image for the original story behind it)

Okay, seriously... I couldn't help but look at that scam of a web site. I like how he values the data for 100 casino shoes (i.e. the result of approximately 1/3 of a second of CPU time) at $195, roughly twice the value of the book itself. It's very nice of him to include something so valuable for free. Who wants to bet that these 100 casino shoes were carefully designed to make it look like his system works?

I also like how there is a $5 "handling" charge ... for a PDF download.

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December 12th, 2011 at 9:56:25 AM permalink

That spider thread is hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing as I read it.

ZCore13

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December 12th, 2011 at 10:34:31 AM permalink

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That spider thread is hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing as I read it.

I especially like the line, "I am currently away on leave, traveling through time and will be returning last week."

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December 12th, 2011 at 12:40:36 PM permalink

JB, Can I please purchase the spider. I value it at $70, so would like to start the negotiations there.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727

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December 12th, 2011 at 12:45:14 PM permalink

Quote: WizardofEngland
JB, Can I please purchase the spider. I value it at $70, so would like to start the negotiations there.

If I give it an 8th leg, can I get the $104 I originally valued it at?

(Sorry for derailing the thread, guys.)

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December 12th, 2011 at 12:57:07 PM permalink

Quote: JB
If I give it an 8th leg, can I get the $104 I originally valued it at?

(Sorry for derailing the thread, guys.)

Id want to see at least 9 legs for $104, throw in some goggles and I'll round it up to $110.

(Was a pointless thread anyway ;-)

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727

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December 12th, 2011 at 1:04:32 PM permalink

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Id want to see at least 9 legs for $104, throw in some goggles and I'll round it up to $110.

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December 12th, 2011 at 1:17:08 PM permalink

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WOW 10 legs!! TEN! WOW. $120 is yours.

Just send me your bank details, name, address, mothers maiden name, inside leg measurement, bank account pin number, your secret word and the town you were born in. Then my friend from Nigeria will make the transfer.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727

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February 7th, 2012 at 4:45:28 PM permalink

Man, I got a doozy. It was actually a masters thesis. It isn't at the website anymore, probably removed out of sheer embarassment. But I kept the pdf. I can email it or something if you're interested.

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April 11th, 2012 at 3:28:03 PM permalink

If you've got the 3D Baccarat Version 2 system, I'd like to read it and see what the thing is about.

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April 11th, 2012 at 4:36:57 PM permalink

Quote: WizardofEngland
Quote: JB

WOW 10 legs!! TEN! WOW. $120 is yours.

Just send me your bank details, name, address, mothers maiden name, inside leg measurement, bank account pin number, your secret word and the town you were born in. Then my friend from Nigeria will make the transfer.

Attention JB and Wizard of England.
That spider is my intellectual property. Unless you cease using it immediately, you will soon be hearing from
Waldorf T. Flywheel and his assistant Emmanuel Ravelli of the law firm Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel.

Sincerely Charles (BUZZ) Paff

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April 12th, 2012 at 7:28:27 AM permalink

Once again just the threat of facing Waldorf J. Flywheel in court has carried the day !

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April 12th, 2012 at 8:00:43 PM permalink

Waldorf J. Flywheel told me Nareed has asked clemency for JB and Wizard of England. He is consulting with
Emmanuel Ravelli before announcing his decision.

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