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October 17th, 2016 at 7:44:58 AM permalink
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjcFRcWAXs&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjwDc7NjCEHP4e-bEQTVRe0U
7 videos, total time 12:18


Craps players LOVE this strategy, called the Iron Cross. My version of it starts on the come-out roll with a $60 don't-pass line bet, hedged with a $2 yo-11. This is repeated for all come-out rolls. If the point is either 5, 6, or 8, we just wait for the roll to end. But if the point is a 4, 9, or 10, then we make $60 bets on the place-5, place-6, place-8 and the field.

Although the strategy starts out on the don't side, the actual goal is is to get on a very long, sustained run of numbers... not the point number and not the 7-out. When the point is a 4, 9, or 10, EVERY ROLL pays!!! The 2 pays $120, the 3 pays $60, the 4 pays $60, the 5 pays $24 (that is the $84 for the $60 place-5, minus the $60 lost for the field), the 6 pays $10 ($70 - $60), ditto for the 8, the 9 pays $60, the 10 pays $60, the yo-11 pays $60 and the 12 pays $180!

The risk of exposure is minimal because we hedge the come-out don't-pass line bet with a $2 yo. Next, when we get on a 5, 6, or 8 point, we have an advantage odds play. Finally, if we do get on a 4, 9, or 10 point and go ahead and invest an additional $240, we are immediately hedged by our don't pass line bet... if any of those number repeat, yea, we lose the $60 line bet but we win on the field, and that's why we only establish the Iron Cross when the point is 4, 9, or 10.

The video playlist shows how the strategy is programmed in my downloadable gaming system called e_gamers (as featured in the Matt Parker 3-dice challenge video) using a facility called TheBetmaker....

https://youtu.be/hBBftD7gq7Y?t=806
(watch for 3 1/2 minutes starting at 13:30)

In that video's "show more" description, you can find a link to "Marty Wollner Long Description".

http://spikersystems.com/FlashNet_Pointer/www/downloads/SpikerSystems/P1_Demo_Demo/SpikerSystems_Patent.htm

In that colorful document is a link to download the e-gamers system on Windows-10. Here is a direct link to it...

Link removed, with permission, by management

I have a video playlist that discusses installing and testing it on your own Windows-10 system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHh0ui5mi_E&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd
(Start with video # 9 for the install instructions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSWY6xOLV34&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd&index=9

Contact me if you have problems and/or questions, or if you want me to help you program your own strategy tests using TheBetMaker. TheBetMaker lets you program strategies using the craps layout wagering buttons, along with a set of programmable conditions, for example "If on the come-out roll" or "If the point is 9".

TheBetMaker is not as fast nor as complete as WinCraps, but it is easy to use and it works on all of our 22 unique games, including Roulette, Ricochet, and 3-Dice-Craps. The strategy programing instructions are stored on disk files; the programming language is named NailsULA after my cat Nails.

Marty, 03-Oct-2016




PLOPPY ALERT



This is rude and a borderline personal insult. Last warning, stacked on the F-bomb. Thank you.
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October 18th, 2016 at 4:58:59 AM permalink
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what's the point of making a don't pass before playing the iron cross? Also, if you hit the point, you break even but if the 7 comes, you lose $180. If you are winning, you win very little but when you are losing, you lose big. This is why hedging doesn't work.



I have requested this thread to be deleted because of the warning issued by beachbumbabs (above). I apologize for "advertising" even though that was not my intent.

The odds of winning a don't pass are about the same as a pass line. I know, the strategy can be played using only the field and the 5,6, and 8. BUT... The don't pass lets you get into the most perfect hedging strategy when the point is a 4,9, or 10... you see, those automagically hedge the repeating of the point with the field, and that's why I only make those 4 bets when the point is 4, 9, or 10.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
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October 18th, 2016 at 7:23:07 AM permalink
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I have requested this thread to be deleted because of the warning issued by beachbumbabs (above). I apologize for "advertising" even though that was not my intent.

The odds of winning a don't pass are about the same as a pass line. I know, the strategy can be played using only the field and the 5,6, and 8. BUT... The don't pass lets you get into the most perfect hedging strategy when the point is a 4,9, or 10... you see, those automagically hedge the repeating of the point with the field, and that's why I only make those 4 bets when the point is 4, 9, or 10.



Discflicker,

I have watched your threads and checked your links all along, and have seen no unwelcome or rule-breaking activity. On the contrary, you have been polite, enthusiastic and within the rules of the forum, and your presence is welcome, even if others disagree with your contentions.

I was talking to CasinoKiller about his rudeness to you. There were many ways he could have discussed his objections or insights into your posts, short of being personally offensive.
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October 18th, 2016 at 9:56:49 AM permalink
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I was talking to CasinoKiller about his rudeness to you.


DUH. I'm sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were reading me the riot act, after this.
Quote: beachbumbabs

There were many ways he could have discussed his objections or insights into your posts, short of being personally offensive.


I don't know what "PLOPPY ALERT" means... I tried to Google it, but it came back with nothing. I did find this, however...



Well, I already deleted my last blog post about this stuff, but the Wizard wouldn't remove these two threads I asked him (and yourself) to remove, so I guess it's all good, eh? I'm certain the comment was negative, but please know that I have a thick skin, it don't bother me none.

I WAS responsible for Jerry Logan's boot from WOV way back when, but he deserved it.
Last edited by: discflicker on Oct 18, 2016
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
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October 18th, 2016 at 12:57:47 PM permalink
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DUH. I'm sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were reading me the riot act, after this.

I don't know what "PLOPPY ALERT" means... I tried to Google it, but it came back with nothing. I did find this, however...



Well, I already deleted my last blog post about this stuff, but the Wizard wouldn't remove these two threads I asked him (and yourself) to remove, so I guess it's all good, eh? I'm certain the comment was negative, but please know that I have a thick skin, it don't bother me none.

I WAS responsible for Jerry Logan's boot from WOV way back when, but he deserved it.

A ploppy is a made up word , it's short for a person who plops down on any seat available in a casino while disregarding the rules, payback, house advantage or proper strategy. Basically, a dumb gambler. Look at that ploppy, he's playing 6/5 Jacks or better when there's an open 9/6 Jacks or better right next to him. Wow, he just held an Ace over a pair of 10's.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 18th, 2016 at 1:17:16 PM permalink
http://bj21.com/glossary/pages/p.html


"Ploppy. A term coined by gambling author Frank Scoblete to describe a typical uninformed gambler. A ploppy often is ignorant, offensive, and sometimes tries to influence other patrons' actions through superstition or stating as fact his or her misunderstanding of the games or odds. (See also: Civilian)"
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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October 18th, 2016 at 3:52:22 PM permalink
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http://bj21.com/glossary/pages/p.html

"Ploppy. A term coined by gambling author Frank Scoblete to describe a typical uninformed gambler. A ploppy often is ignorant, offensive, and sometimes tries to influence other patrons' actions through superstition or stating as fact his or her misunderstanding of the games or odds. (See also: Civilian)"

OK, so why is he accusing me of being uninformed when I'm explaining how any and all strategies are equally useless? How using conservative bets can help extend your play-time? How there is something called entertainment value, and only a mad-man would try winning by gambling more than he can afford?

OK, fine, he is correct; for the levels of understanding of most the patrons of WOV, this IS low-level and obvious, but I put it in "betting systems" and I expect it to be read by uninformed "Ploppies". I am no genius, but I have derived the basic pass-line maths from scratch, as discussed here. Is my math wrong? Does my gaming system make wrong payouts?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
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October 18th, 2016 at 5:15:07 PM permalink
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OK, so why is he accusing me of being uninformed when I'm explaining how any and all strategies are equally useless? How using conservative bets can help extend your play-time? How there is something called entertainment value, and only a mad-man would try winning by gambling more than he can afford?

OK, fine, he is correct; for the levels of understanding of most the patrons of WOV, this IS low-level and obvious, but I put it in "betting systems" and I expect it to be read by uninformed "Ploppies". I am no genius, but I have derived the basic pass-line maths from scratch, as discussed here. Is my math wrong? Does my gaming system make wrong payouts?



There's always people out there that like to hide behind the computer and criticize and make fun of others. They are too chicken to do it in person. Ignore them and move on.

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