This has worked for me. Still in the process.
Quote: WizardofnothingTrue story- on full tilt poker I got dealt aces four hands in a row in a tournament
Had Kd, Kc dealt on back to back hands in a cash game and both times flopped the Kh. Two different decks.
Quote: Dealer314Can anybody else agree on what I just said? The wizard runs simulations for example of 100,000 hands and has the player play every single hand with martingale play then shows the numbers are in the house favor. As a player you will only play a fraction of those hands so that's where I find the mistake. If I am wrong please explain why. Now there is nothing I can do to prove that I won that money, he's right it could be my rent money. Too bad I don't pay rent.
I don't think anyone is disputing that you have won every time so far. As I said, even in my "50 million trials" simulation, 1/6 of the time, you would still be ahead after 74 consecutive days.
What I don't think I saw is, and I apologize if you already said this and I missed it, you mentioning how many times have you actually used this 4-step Martingale - 10? 20? 50? 100? - and how many of those times you won.
No. It's complete loblocks!Quote: Dealer314Can anybody else agree on what I just said?
Your are abjectly wrong. But you are not listening so why should we bother.Quote: Dealer314As a player you will only play a fraction of those hands so that's where I find the mistake. If I am wrong please explain why.
That is not disputed.Quote: Dealer314Now there is nothing I can do to prove that I won that money.
You genius. You destroyer of Baccarat and defeater of the Casino games. All praise Dealer 314. . . Believer and exponent of [insert expletive noun beginning with B]
If ( and the jury is out ) If you are actually reporting your true profits, well keep it up matey.
He was kidding you Dealer314Quote: TomGYou are exactly right. . .
Again, congratulations on your new found $3,000 per hour income ($100 for only a couple minutes at the table, right?) Keep us updated every day, I think it's awesome someone has been able to come up with a strategy that will let them earn an extra $36,000 per year for only a few hours of work.
Quote: DMSCRYou folks and online poker are brave souls!
Whats the worse that can happen?
I strongly suspect that some wag is going to continue posting about how successful his Marty system is and continues to be until someone calls him out at his absurd continued profitability. . . and gets banned for doing so.
What a jolly jape it would be to continue posting here as a successful MartyMan against all the odds and naysayers.
Maybe CeeJay is a similar jester. I'm past caring for such posters.
Quote: OnceDear...I'm past caring for such posters.
I don't know why you guys waste your time even responding.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't know why you guys waste your time even responding.
I just skipped the last 3 pages entirely,
I know what's there. A constant defense
of his game we all know will fail, has to
fail. Is this always the same person, they
all say identical things. Shall we call it
'vermentism'? When in the throes of it,
you're vermentistic.
Quote: djatcThis entire time I've been in Las Vegas AP'ing has been a waste. Why couldn't I been on this system earlier? I would have been rich.
Better late than never ?
Mr. Dealer134: you ask for advice, so every body is advising you that your system doesn't work. The reason being that you can not win against a negative expectation casino game,each as baccarat. 2+2 is always 4, will never become 5. Period !!
You are very lucky so far because you have not gotten the 4 in a raw losing streak. If you do, then you will lose 15 units. And if you are unlucky, lose more 4 in a raw , then you will be losing big time!
So, the key to your success is : Avoid losing 4 in a raw.
You did not find the sure way of " Avoid losing 4 in a raw" , so your system does not work.
Is my reasoning simple enough ? Or need improvement?
Quote: ThatDonGuyI don't think anyone is disputing that you have won every time so far. As I said, even in my "50 million trials" simulation, 1/6 of the time, you would still be ahead after 74 consecutive days.
What I don't think I saw is, and I apologize if you already said this and I missed it, you mentioning how many times have you actually used this 4-step Martingale - 10? 20? 50? 100? - and how many of those times you won.
I only once got down to my last bet once and then won. An estimation of total hands played from start until now is probably right around 40-50. Average hands per day played will probably be around 5-10.
Quote: Dealer314Update. Just got off work and went to the casino. Bought in 300 and played quarters. Play time was 8 minutes and left with 100 profit.
Dealer, take a break while you are ahead. It's inevitable that eventually you will start to lose. Sure you are winning now, but that does not mean you will win all the time. Remember, the same game that you "beat" today and got a lot of money off of can kick your ass tomorrow and then where will you be when you eventually lose?
Take the money and run. Take a break from playing. Go to the movies with the money you won. Go have dinner at a nice restaurant. Go open up some bank accounts. Buy yourself nice clothes. Do nice things with the money that you won. Do not,I repeat play that money you are winning now back into the game.
Quote: OnceDearI'd just like it on the record that I do not believe that an experienced BACC dealer would be promoting this nonsense.
I strongly suspect that some wag is going to continue posting about how successful his Marty system is and continues to be until someone calls him out at his absurd continued profitability. . . and gets banned for doing so.
What a jolly jape it would be to continue posting here as a successful MartyMan against all the odds and naysayers.
Maybe CeeJay is a similar jester. I'm past caring for such posters.
I'm not here to boast about how I'm winning. I'm here to share my progress and my losses. This is what the forum is about.
Quote: KentryDealer, take a break while you are ahead. It's inevitable that eventually you will start to lose. Sure you are winning now, but that does not mean you will win all the time. Remember, the same game that you "beat" today and got a lot of money off of can kick your ass tomorrow and then where will you be when you eventually lose?
Take the money and run. Take a break from playing. Go to the movies with the money you won. Go have dinner at a nice restaurant. Go open up some bank accounts. Buy yourself nice clothes. Do nice things with the money that you won. Do not,I repeat play that money you are winning now back into the game.
It's okay I'm playing with casino money and buying in now for $300. If I lose my 300 in a session then I'm out and I'll try again the next day. I don't care about losing my 1500 profit I just want to share a experience and outcomes. I make 5-6k a month and I have money saved in my bank account and plenty of cloths :). If you have a bankroll of 300 and win 6 times in a week so once a day for 6 days then lose 300 on day 7 you are still in a profit. If this can be repeated for months or even a year then it looks like you are ok.
Unfortunately you started out by claiming The wizard and others may be wrong and you have outsmarted math, the casinos and everyone.Quote: Dealer314I'm not here to boast about how I'm winning. I'm here to share my progress and my losses. This is what the forum is about.
I ask again why keep working and not just do this full time?
You can put up the money to start a team. Just have everyone do exactly what you are doing.
Quote: AxelWolfUnfortunately you started out by claiming The wizard and others may be wrong and you have outsmarted math, the casinos and everyone.
I ask again why keep working and not just do this full time?
You can put up the money to start a team. Just have everyone do exactly what you are doing.
What I was saying about the wizard is his projections run a lot of hands and involves the player playing every hand until a large loss occurs. Everything has different variables. Math itself has many variables and instead of doing a projection test where the player plays 100,000/100,000 hands the player only plays about 5% of this. Doing this does not play a large number of consecutive hands. Why would I do this full time? if I sit at a table all day I am most likely to encounter a bad run. I'm not doing this to prove people wrong for the millionth time. I'm doing this as trial and error.
Quote: Dealer314It's okay I'm playing with casino money and buying in now for $300. If I lose my 300 in a session then I'm out and I'll try again the next day. I don't care about losing my 1500 profit I just want to share a experience and outcomes. I make 5-6k a month and I have money saved in my bank account and plenty of cloths :). If you have a bankroll of 300 and win 6 times in a week so once a day for 6 days then lose 300 on day 7 you are still in a profit. If this can be repeated for months or even a year then it looks like you are ok.
The point is, sure you are winning and playing with the Casino's money now, but you will not continue to win. Eventually you will lose. The House has an edge, and sure they are letting you win now, but eventually, they will catch up to you and even pass you if you don't take a break now.
What's the difference in playing 300 hands in 1 day or 300 hands in 30 days?Quote: Dealer314What I was saying about the wizard is his projections run a lot of hands and involves the player playing every hand until a large loss occurs. Everything has different variables. Math itself has many variables and instead of doing a projection test where the player plays 100,000/100,000 hands the player only plays about 5% of this. Doing this does not play a large number of consecutive hands. Why would I do this full time? if I sit at a table all day I am most likely to encounter a bad run. I'm not doing this to prove people wrong for the millionth time. I'm doing this as trial and error.
Does something magic happen at midnight?
If you believe that there something to playing less hours yourself, why not just have 6 different people rotating while you coach them?
Quote: AxelWolfWhat's the difference in playing 300 hands in 1 day or 300 hands in 30 days?
Does something magic happen at midnight?
If you believe that there something to playing less hours yourself, why not just have 6 different people rotating while you coach them?
Long sessions = higher % of bad runs as the wizard states. Short sessions = less likely hood of seeing a bad run.
Quote: Dealer314Long sessions = higher % of bad runs as the wizard states. Short sessions = less likely hood of seeing a bad run.
So why not play ten 10-minute sessions in one day? How is that different than one 10-minute session per day for 10 days?
Seriously? It's the number of hand you play TOTAL. There's absolutely no difference between 100 hands played over 1 session or 25 sessions. 100 hands is 100 hands no matter how you slice it.Quote: Dealer314Long sessions = higher % of bad runs as the wizard states. Short sessions = less likely hood of seeing a bad run.
The only thing you are doing is taking longer(more days in your case) to realize the results.
How many hands must one play before seeing a bad run?
Quote: AxelWolfSeriously? It's the number of hand you play TOTAL. There's absolutely no difference between 100 hands played over 1 session or 25 sessions. 100 hands is 100 hands no matter how you slice it.
The only thing you are doing is taking longer(more days in your case) to realize the results.
How many hands must one play before seeing a bad run?
There seems to be something "innocent" about Dealer.
Quote: KentryThere seems to be something "innocent" about Dealer.
I guess that means there are 2 people in this thread that are "innocent"
So far he is winning.
So relax ,every body.
Let him be. Time will tell.
Quote: FranciscoI think that Dealer314 is " innocently" and " sincerely" believes that playing 1-10 minute short session can magically avoid bad run. That is his secret . No amount of reasoning and argument can change his mind.
So far he is winning.
So relax ,every body.
Let him be. Time will tell.
I disagree about "letting him be", though I'm not encouraging hounding him. He's balled up a bunch of common misconceptions into a "system" that doesn't hold water. The whole point of this forum and the Wizard's work is to debunk those misconceptions using facts and math. So, no, two unequal ideas should not be allowed to stand as equally valid pending results.
Quote: beachbumbabsI disagree about "letting him be", though I'm not encouraging hounding him. He's balled up a bunch of common misconceptions into a "system" that doesn't hold water. The whole point of this forum and the Wizard's work is to debunk those misconceptions using facts and math. So, no, two unequal ideas should not be allowed to stand as equally valid pending results.
If you want you can close this thread and delete it. I will log for months before reposting if you want.
Quote: Dealer314Update. Just got off work and went to the casino. Bought in 300 and played quarters. Play time was 8 minutes and left with 100 profit. Played a total of 9 hands.
Damn a hundred bucks. You're livin' the dream.
Quote: Dealer314If you want you can close this thread and delete it. I will log for months before reposting if you want.
I appreciate the offer. I have said before, though, that I think these discussions are productive and useful to the forum, because there are several things you're saying that are pervasive in the gambling community. The frustration you're starting to see from some of the guys is that you're one of many who've come here saying the same things in response to the thought-process flaws they're pointing out to you, pretty much brushing them aside, when they're offering facts and solid math, and you're offering belief and suppositions as counter-arguments.
It's difficult, for example, to take your system seriously when the cards are not countable and so where you are in any shoe is immaterial, yet you insist that 30 short sessions of 10 hands is significantly different than 1 session of 300 hands. They're both subject to exactly the same possibility of winning or losing after 300 hands. They're both in the short run. In fact, most people's lifetimes are going to be in the short run. But the casino deals the game day after day, player after player, in order to let the long run (and the house edge) work for them.
You're depending on short term results to prove that your system works, de facto. Maybe your system will work. For you. For now. Nobody's denying it can't. But for it to be a system worth considering, like in scientific testing, it has to be something that can be duplicated consistently. That won't happen, because your system depends on the variance of the cards, not on how many hands per day you play. You've mistaken bankroll management and luck for a system.
In the same way, past performance is no indication of future results in baccarat, but you insist there is significance in waiting for 5 (or any) in a row before betting against the streak. It's meaningless, arbitrary, and misleading number, as are all of them. Humans want to see patterns where none exist, and the game is designed to be both patternless and deceptive in leading you to think there is a pattern to be discovered. Otherwise, why would the casino print up little cards for you to keep track? They're feeding your superstitions, keeping you busy at a boring game, teasing you into finding those patterns. Notice that in Blackjack, where past performance IS an indication of future results, they not only DON'T provide little tracking cards, they throw people out of the casino for tracking the results, even if only in their heads.
As for Martingaling, it works in the abstract. That's why all casinos have a maximum bet limit; to keep it from working. Nobody has an infinite amount of money to keep doubling their bet, but casinos don't even want the risk that you're rich enough to recover. They limit their exposure, knowing that sooner or later, the Martingale will bump up against the maximum, and you won't be able to recover your losses, and each time you try, you're exposing more money to the house edge.
So: enjoy the game. Enjoy positive results. Many people do. Just don't kid yourself about a sure thing, winning system, magic combination of stuff when the math tells you otherwise. Casinos depend on the math, though some of them hurry their results along with methods discussed in other threads here, and it serves them very well.
Quote: Dealer314If you want you can close this thread and delete it. I will log for months before reposting if you want.
See this is the problem. You are being results oriented. Just like bad poker players, they are results oriented. The math and HE speak for themselves.
Hopefully not on the streets begging people for money for a fast food meal at Burger King, in jail for robbing a bank, or mugging people. Take a huge break and go live the great life with the won money. Go see a Concert, go on a Cruise and ignore the Casino, treat your loved ones to a nice night out on the town. Go do something that's fun and that has nothing to do with gambling.
Do you really want to say in the immediate\near future, "I let the game kick my ass"or do you want to say,"I had a great time with my outings with the won money?" I know which one I would pick, and it's not the first one.
Quote: Kentry
Hopefully not on the streets begging people for money for a fast food meal at Burger King, in jail for robbing a bank, or mugging people. Take a huge break and go live the great life with the won money. Go see a Concert, go on a Cruise and ignore the Casino, treat your loved ones to a nice night out on the town. Go do something that's fun and that has nothing to do with gambling.[/q
Kentry
Dealer said he makes good money at his job. If he loses his gambling money he still has a job. I do not think he will end up on the streets, rob a bank or beg for money. Maybe he is doing something that is fun.50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
You and the Wizard send different messages. Normally he tells them to go to John Patrick's site.Quote: beachbumbabsI appreciate the offer. I have said before, though, that I think these discussions are productive and useful to the forum, because there are several things you're saying that are pervasive in the gambling community.
NOTHING NEW can be said. They can research old threads and hear the same logic over and over again.
Mods should have a link ready to go directing them there and then lock the thread anytime something starts this BS.
If after they still have a legitimate question that hasn't been covered, then ask away.
It's actually sad whenever the talented math guys start wasting their time responding with anything other than... I wish I owned a casino.
Quote: WizardofnothingAre you frigging kidding me- I'm done with all this it's an absolute friggin joke that you post in here an ABSOLUTE JOKE
The sad thing is, I'm not joking. There are a lot of people who start off winning big at the Casino, and then keep going, and start losing big time and start turning to illegal activities to get money.
Quote: AxelWolfYou and the Wizard send different messages. Normally he tells them to go to John Patrick's site.
NOTHING NEW can be said. They can research old threads and hear the same logic over and over again.
Mods should have a link ready to go directing them there and then lock the thread anytime something starts this BS.
If after they still have a legitimate question that hasn't been covered, then ask away.
It's actually sad whenever the talented math guys start wasting their time responding with anything other than... I wish I owned a casino.
He has said that in the past, not to everybody, but he has said it. I thought I'd take a shot at laying out why. Probably didn't do any good, but there ya go. If we didn't get the same stuff every couple of weeks, I'd agree a simple shove-off would be sufficient. I also take into consideration that the Wizard steers people from WoO and his PM's/emails into asking these and other questions in this forum. That implies that they might get a response from the regular members.
Few people bother to research old threads. We do try to keep the thread-locking to a minimum; if we didn't, we'd have about 20 less this week by my hand, but locking threads also discourages free discussion. More grey areas of moderation.
I like the idea....when in doubt BAN/LOCKQuote: beachbumbabsHe has said that in the past, not to everybody, but he has said it. I thought I'd take a shot at laying out why. Probably didn't do any good, but there ya go. If we didn't get the same stuff every couple of weeks, I'd agree a simple shove-off would be sufficient. I also take into consideration that the Wizard steers people from WoO and his PM's/emails into asking these and other questions in this forum. That implies that they might get a response from the regular members.
Few people bother to research old threads. We do try to keep the thread-locking to a minimum; if we didn't, we'd have about 20 less this week by my hand, but locking threads also discourages free discussion. More grey areas of moderation.
You misunderstood what I was saying. I definitely not agreeing with dealer314 . I said to let him be because you, the administration, let this post going on for days, and every body was so eagerly participating in discussion until now. I figure that Dealer 314 is not going to listen to anyone, so why not let him be, so that let the time tell the truth . If everybody let him alone, then there will be no such argument!
BBB I just want to add something to what you said. I believe bacarrat is not a random outcome game. The shoe is loaded and cards are burned. After that the ENTIRE shoe has pre determined outcomes. I don't look for patterns, I look for 5 in a row because the % chance of the cards being in perfect sequence to favor one side for too long is very small. I'm not sure if the mathematics argue this.
Quote: Dealer314It's ok admin please delete this thread I don't want to bother people on this forum anymore. I promise I can't ever be a addicted gambler because I deal and already gamble my own tips when they bet for me :p. I know when to stop. If I lost my initial investment I wouldn't gamble to win it back lol. So BBB I insist you delete this thread please. If I return after a couple months with positive results I'll let you know. If I don't then that means I lost my 300 initial investment and profits over days/months.
BBB I just want to add something to what you said. I believe bacarrat is not a random outcome game. The shoe is loaded and cards are burned. After that the ENTIRE shoe has pre determined outcomes. I don't look for patterns, I look for 5 in a row because the % chance of the cards being in perfect sequence to favor one side for too long is very small. I'm not sure if the mathematics argue this.
Dealer,
We don't delete threads, but you'll be welcome to check back in and let us know how you're doing, whichever way it's going for you. I understand why you are looking for 5 in a row before betting. Truly I do. It just doesn't help you on that game (again in the long run) to do it. The mathematicians here did tell you the same thing I did, just in their own way.
And I don't think anybody thinks you're a gambling addict beyond one person who is trying out randomly advising other people; you might notice he got some flack for it from other members, since it came from nothing you actually said. Sorry about that.
If you only want to talk to people who agree with you about your system, you might in fact try googling John Patrick and go to his forum. Best wishes.
A few hangers on, and of course the "whack a mole" of gambling boards, Frank Stanton, is in permanent residence.
Patrick does believe in trends, no question about it.
Alas, you've forever branded yourself with a Scarlet Letter when you posted " I believe bacarrat is not a random outcome game."
BTW, it's "baccarat," not "bacarrat."
They must spell it differently in the "casino" where you "deal."
read 96% of it. Hilarious. (JP is smarter than
you think, but that's irrelevant)
Quote: MrVPatrick's board is basically dead.
A few hangers on, and of course the "whack a mole" of gambling boards, Frank Stanton, is in permanent residence.
Patrick does believe in trends, no question about it.
Alas, you've forever branded yourself with a Scarlet Letter when you posted " I believe bacarrat is not a random outcome game."
BTW, it's "baccarat," not "bacarrat."
They must spell it differently in the "casino" where you "deal."
I might of misspelled it but who really cares lol. No they don't spell it differently and I don't understand the negativity. I really don't care if you don't believe me but I am a dealer and yes I've seen people lose in the long run etc etc. A guy won 90k overnight and I dealt to him one time and I dropped 10 black in my box that's the best way I win at the casino. Later I got off at 8am and by 2pm he lost it all I heard from day shift the next morning. You stay long you lose even longer. I would love to tell you where I work and take a picture of my badge but like I said I don't like sharing personal info. Too be totally honest with you I have never seen someone use a "strategy" before except for card counting in double deck. They either get cracked with a high count because I get the AK or KJ or whatever because of chance. But who cares I've never been tipped by a card counter and I keep my own. If you do however have Q and A's for me I would be more then happy to share my experiences it's actually pretty fun. Here's a good one, a guy last week on double deck spat on his cards and threw them on the ground then proceeded to spit on the table lol. I was sitting on dead spread sort of wanted to see him get tazed by security but it didn't happen :(.
