This has worked for me. Still in the process.
Quote: TomGSo playing for 12 hours in one day is an extended period of time, but playing for one hour per day for 12 days isn't?
I did my strategy today to prove a point. I made a lot from it. Next time I go, my play will be for no more than 5 minutes because all I want is to win one unit of black and I leave. Now the difference...where do I start. The longer you STAY in one consecutive session the higher the chances of losing everyone should know this. When you go in and play your session is 5 min or less? You cannot accumulate 5 minutes over time because the consecutive session is where you lose. Thus making it harder to come across a bad run. In theory yes you will lose if you add every 5 minute session together but that's MATH. In the end you are playing 5 minutes every 24 hours not 12 hours of play every 24 hours.
Quote: Dealer314The longer you STAY in one consecutive session the higher the chances of losing everyone should know this. When you go in and play your session is 5 min or less? You cannot accumulate 5 minutes over time because the consecutive session is where you lose.
I don't think you're for real. It's been
a long time since I've seen so many
ridiculous and yes, just plain stupid
statements about gambling from
just one person.
Congrats?
Quote: Dealer314I can't gamble while I'm working so I'll just play it through in my head and it has yet to fail.
Ah, yes.
I never fail either when daydreaming about gambling, when I "just play it through in my head."
Heck, I always bang the hottest babes in my dreams as well.
Dude, methinks you're pitching your gambling system at the wrong board: most of the guys here understand gambling and the math behind it, and can discern reality from a dream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
If you lost, you bet $200. Then, if won , won $100, you go home.
If you lost $200, you bet $400. If won ,you won $100 . Then go home .
If you lost the $400, then you lost $700 total. Then you bet $800. The last bet.
If you won you won $100. Then go home.
If unfortunately , very rarely, you lost the $800 , you lost $1500 total! Then you go home.
It will take 15 days of winning $100 to make it even.
Am I right?
Quote: Dealer314The longer you STAY in one consecutive session the higher the chances of losing everyone should know this.
So if you play for five minutes per day, that 30 hours over the course of the year has a different expectation than if you played 10 hours per day for three days? There isn't another person in the world who understands how that is possible. But because you figured it out you are now able to earn over $36,000 per year for just a few minutes of work each day. Congratulations on your soon-to-be huge winnings.
Quote: FranciscoSo, the system works like this: go to baccarat table,wait until there is 5 consecutive player or banker, then bet against either one of them with $100. If you won , you won $100.
If you lost, you bet $200. Then, if won , won $100, you go home.
If you lost $200, you bet $400. If won ,you won $100 . Then go home .
If you lost the $400, then you lost $700 total. Then you bet $800. The last bet.
If you won you won $100. Then go home.
If unfortunately , very rarely, you lost the $800 , you lost $1500 total! Then you go home.
It will take 15 days of winning $100 to make it even.
Am I right?
Yes that is correct somebody mentioned earlier the probability of me losing the first 40 days is very unlikely. Now you don't have to wait for 5 in a row from what some of the advice I have received in this post states. You can simply chose a random bet let's say banker and most likely it will win within 1/4 hands. I don't recommend trying this with thousands yet as I am still in the process of figuring out if it will truly work in the long run and that will take me a couple months. If you want to try it then go try it with with 15 units of quarters or nickels so in case it doesn't work you won't lose much. 375 for quarters or 75 for nickels. The past 5 days have been positive.
Quote: GWAEYou don't happen to play in Ontario do you?
No sir but it is Cali. I just don't like giving out personal information or where exactly I am located.
Quote: Dealer314Honestly if you guys want me to I will take a picture everyday with the cash in hand and on a piece of paper I will write my name next to the money.
Oh no, it's the Niagara Falls guy all
over again, I can't remember his name.
Didn't he have a system similar to this?
Quote: TomGSo if you play for five minutes per day, that 30 hours over the course of the year has a different expectation than if you played 10 hours per day for three days? There isn't another person in the world who understands how that is possible. But because you figured it out you are now able to earn over $36,000 per year for just a few minutes of work each day. Congratulations on your soon-to-be huge winnings.
Technically speaking the % chance of catching a bad run in bacarrat remains the same over the millions of shoes/hands dealt. You can encounter this bad run if you play for consecutive hours in one session as the % of seeing a bad run gets greater because you are there for longer and that is how the house gains a edge. Now you are playing for a couple minutes which greatly reduces the chance of encountering the small % of bad runs.
Quote: muleyvoiceDealer, you got the money. That is called winning !
Yes I understand that but I don't want anyone to try it with large amounts of money and lose. I need to win 30 days in a row before I can say it truly worked. The main reason I posted this is to receive further advice.
Quote: EvenBobOh no, it's the Niagara Falls guy all
over again, I can't remember his name.
Didn't he have a system similar to this?
That would be varmenti. I am friends with him on facebook.
Quote: GWAEThat would be varmenti. I am friends with him on facebook.
So I used the site search to look up vermanti lol. I will continue to read :)
Here is a good question for you, advise me on this. How about attempting this on craps. We all know the don't pass lane and all those 7 outs. Bet a flat on the don't pass and mark a point. When point is marked you don't get odds you simply want to win the flat. Technically speaking you are betting with the house. Only down side is the odds are against you on the come out roll and after that your playing with house advantage. I believe this maybe can work as after every other roll I'm on stick yelling 7 OUCH means we're coming out! Crap checks, world bets, C n Es high lows yos any horns! Bottom line get your bets while the dice are in the middle and not halfway through the layout.
Quote: Dealer314I posted this is to receive further advice.
Free advice. Quit while you are ahead.
More free advice. Doubling, tripling or quintupling your bankroll is actually quite normal for your system. It is nonetheless a stupid system.
All of your assertions about probability are plain wrong and you will find REAL experienced and knowledgeable players here who will be happy to PROVE you wrong.
Enjoy your slightly lucky run so far.
Gloat about it if you wish. Stick two fingers up to the naysayers. It's all good.
But your losing system IS nonsense. Get that in your head quickly before you prove it the hard way
Quote: GWAEHere's the thing. No one on here would argue that martingale won't work. It will obviously work, until it doesn't. The problem with it when it doesn't it will kill you. Sure if you are lucky enough to go a long while before you lose 4 in a row then you will be ahead. Now what happens when you hit that unlucky time where you lose 4 in a row for 4 days in a row. Again, maybe you are still up at this point but it sure bit into your bankroll. Eventually the HE will rise to the top and you will be busto.
What is you opinion on craps though. Your playing WITH the house on the don't pass.
Quote: Dealer314What is you opinion on craps though. Your playing WITH the house on the don't pass.
But there is still the house edge. Unfortunately you just can't overcome it. There is a reason your don't pass pushes on 12.
Quote: Dealer314What is you opinion on craps though. Your playing WITH the house on the don't pass.
I like craps, but like most crapsters I very rarely play the don'ts.
Were that the road to paradise, I daresay a lot more folks would play it.
http://i.imgur.com/gsHYHTl.jpg
Quote: Dealer314To introduce myself I am new to this thread and would like to share this strategy that has worked for me and involves martingale betting.
I've decided to find and post a Wizard response in his FAQs whenever we get this kind of thread, and then just leave it. I'm not addressing the Martingale aspect but the idea of quitting while ahead etc. [edits]
Note that he is not too judgmental and tries to help in the first FAQ to determine the best bet size. But see quote below.
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/betting-systems/
Quote: wizard in the 4th faqIn the long run this kind of money management will neither help you nor hurt you. By cutting your loses at a certain point and walking away you risk missing a comeback. By walking away with a modest win you risk not turning it into an even bigger win. Of course things could also get worse too. In general you can assume the past does not matter and every hand is a new beginning.
Quote: Dealer314Let's say we use 100,000 hands of bacarrat for example. Let's assume out of all that the player went ahead and played 5,000 hands using martingale betting and these 5,000 hands must not be in one consecutive session but yet spread apart many sessions. Then what are the chances of seeing a bad loss. Could I be possibly right about this?
You are exactly right. You have a smaller chance of losing money playing only 5,000 hands than you do playing 100,000. Even the people who don't think you have a winning strategy agree on that.
Again, congratulations on your new found $3,000 per hour income ($100 for only a couple minutes at the table, right?) Keep us updated every day, I think it's awesome someone has been able to come up with a strategy that will let them earn an extra $36,000 per year for only a few hours of work.
Amen to that.Quote: standbymymanShould have ended after the original post. If you people would not respond to this nonsense, no one would waste the time to type up their pathetic system.
And I don't like to however everyone else does, then I do.
I'm fairly certain most of them know deep down inside this BS doesn't work.
Unless there's a cat rolling around in the cash it's meaningless.Quote: Dealer314I'm back again folks! So today after I won my $1000 I decided to stop and I went out to hangout with some friends. Later they decided they wanted to go to the casino so I broke my rule and went back...then worse, I decided to gamble again with the strategy. Current total profit is $1500, but really it's $1400 because I tossed the dealer a black. Current PROFIT is 1400 and that does NOT including the initial 300 start up I had.
http://i.imgur.com/gsHYHTl.jpg
Anyone can take a picture of their rent money and say they won.
The fact you still have a "real job" says it all.
Quote: Dealer314First off thanks for not being judgmental and actually listening I do appreciate that. Second, this is a site where we share our ideas to find out if there is a way where we can win in the long run. I have propsed an idea and majority come in to bash only...this is a forum where we share our thoughts and expect a solid reply not a "nope won't work your dumb ". Ok what you are stating is correct. I will bankroll $1500. Lose 1 bet 2. Lose 2 bet 4. Lose 4 bet 8. Well if you lose again then you leave. I think keeping it at a 4 loss streak is a reasonable time to leave. Your goal is to win ONE $100 and and leave while betting $100 chips. Some people will say 100 a day isn't much. Well then try it and if it works consistently then move up to $500 lol. Also whenever I deal bacarrat I chose a random part in the shoe and say to myself in my head ok I just walked up to the table and started to bet let's see if I win. I run the scenario based on the outcome of the cards, obviously I can't gamble while I'm working so I'll just play it through in my head and it has yet to fail. To answer the other question almost all west coast casinos chop 15 cards from the back, some will do 1/3 of a deck I believe.
There is a reason you are getting bashed; you are not anywhere near the first person to suggest that this "works" and offer as your proof, "I haven't lost yet," and some people are tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
A 4-step Martingale on betting Player in Baccarat (49.3175% chance of winning a particular hand, not counting ties) has a 1 in 15.1555 chance of losing 15 units; if you start a run of 10 "rounds" of your system, there is a 50.53% chance that you will win all 10 times. Losses are uncommon, but they are costly enough that you are expected to lose money in the end if you keep using the system.
No doubt, ThatDonGuy is a good guy.
I only pick on the post here.. (-)
(-) , what's that?
Hell if I know, it just showed up and I was scared to touch it....
Seems like you are doing pretty well consistently. Now if you can keep this up for six months then awesome and continue with what you are doing and never let any detractions get to you.
LOL. Posting your Kida$$$$$h.
Okay gotta say it. Dealer314 = egalite!!!!
Bet 4-step Martingale on Player in Baccarat, stopping for the day after a win or 4 straight losses, and continue this day by day until I was behind for the entire session.
50% of the time, I was behind within 11 days.
2/3 of the time, I was behind within 22 days.
3/4 of the time, I was behind within 36 days.
4/5 of the time, I was behind within 54 days.
5/6 of the time, I was behind within 74 days.
9/10 of the time, I was behind within 171 days.
Of course, statistics work both ways; 1/6 of the time, I was never behind for about 6 months, and 1/16 of the time, I made it an entire year without being behind. In fact, 1/28 of the time, I made it two full years without being behind.
When we say "eventually everybody loses," keep in mind that "eventually" can be a very, very, very, veryveryvery, very, did I mention "very", very long time; one out of every 47,000 runs or so lasted for 100 years.
Big THANKS.
Or is it "Don't take up surfing, you'll always get wet?"
Don it's obvious you are employed by the casinos in order to discourage fool/full proof working systems using funny math and logic.Quote: ThatDonGuyThere is a reason you are getting bashed; you are not anywhere near the first person to suggest that this "works" and offer as your proof, "I haven't lost yet," and some people are tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
A 4-step Martingale on betting Player in Baccarat (49.3175% chance of winning a particular hand, not counting ties) has a 1 in 15.1555 chance of losing 15 units; if you start a run of 10 "rounds" of your system, there is a 50.53% chance that you will win all 10 times. Losses are uncommon, but they are costly enough that you are expected to lose money in the end if you keep using the system.
Imagine if everyone knew the truth.
I always thought all the people boasting of winning betting systems eventually lost and stopped posting. Now I realize all the casinos are working closely with the government and they eventually come for them once they get to close to the truth.
De-caf is but a suggestion.
Morning Axel, love ya man.
I fixed my system as per the forums replies and suggestions and I'm still winning.
Riding the wave but not yet wet.
I billion continuous plays v a batch. Sure the maths says one thing, but real life aint listening.
Quote: Dealer314As a player you will only play a fraction of those hands so that's where I find the mistake.
How many hands does it take for your positive expectation to turn into a negative expectation?
If everyone in the wold used your exact system, would everyone win?Quote: Dealer314Can anybody else agree on what I just said? The wizard runs simulations for example of 100,000 hands and has the player play every single hand with martingale play then shows the numbers are in the house favor. As a player you will only play a fraction of those hands so that's where I find the mistake. If I am wrong please explain why. Now there is nothing I can do to prove that I won that money, he's right it could be my rent money. Too bad I don't pay rent.
If you're so confident it will and does work why don't you play it full time?
Oh ya, you are trying to avoid the "long run". Unfortunately for you the long run may be tomorrow. Then what will you do?
The fact that you are winning is meaningless. That doesn't mean it's a winning system.
If your grandmother smoked, drank and did drugs until she was 95 does that mean the scientist are wrong and it's actually not bad for you?
He knows every hand is -EV. He believes s long as he only plays a few hands a day he can avoid the long run.Quote: TomGHow many hands does it take for your positive expectation to turn into a negative expectation?
Don't you know the gambling gods reset the long run clock everyday?
Quote: TomGHow many hands does it take for your positive expectation to turn into a negative expectation?
It is more like how many hands before that little voice in your head tells you to color out.
That little voice is like your guardian angel. Like your future self traveling back in time to warn you.
Quote: AxelWolf
Don't you know the gambling gods reset the long run clock everyday?
Sometimes the gambling gods bless you in the morning and curse you in the afternoon. Don't stretch your luck and always sell too soon.
Hey wow. That rhymes!
Quote: WizardofnothingTrue story- on full tilt poker I got dealt aces four hands in a row in a tournament
Also customer funds and company funds are segregated. LOL.
