Blackjack to the Nth degree

Blackjack has many different betting systems, is this system by Patrick Moriarty a good system. (Blackjack to the Nth degree).

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Blackjack has many different betting systems, is this system by Patrick Moriarty a good system. (Blackjack to the Nth degree).

Hi hammer38. Please tell us your thoughts on this system. Have you purchased it and used it successfully?

I just read the sample pages, he guaranties this is the best system, just wondering if anybody purchased this, and does it work.

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just wondering if anybody purchased this, and does it work.

Read the reviews on Amazon.

Define 'Work' in this context.

It will win money in more sessions than it loses, so to that extent it will work.
But it will lose MASSIVELY and frequently enough to wipe out your bankroll more often than it doubles it.

There's not a lot out there on this because they want people to purchase it. Here are some of the things I've been able to glean.

Consistently earn $300 or more per day every day in three hours. That's over $100k a year.

How to recognize a hot dealer.

How to avoid long losing streaks.

How to pick a table that favors the player.

I read that this was based on the Labouchere system and that there is no card counting involved. In my opinion these claims are outrageous. If someone wants to take one for the team and load it on their Kindle for $19.95 go ahead and report back to us. Everyone else save your money.

If you want to learn about blackjack, hammer, you have come to the right place. There are many smart, talented people who would be happy to help. Just say the word.

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If you want to learn about blackjack, hammer, you have come to the right place. There are many smart, talented people who would be happy to help. Just say the word.

Sometimes I put myself in the place of someone just exploring casino gambling, and I ask myself, was I lucky to have come first [basically] upon Wizard's sites myself , or was it an almost sure thing I would have?

After all, the internet and the world of books too is full of many unhelpful, sucker-seeking entities, while sites like this are few. Another way to start off on the wrong foot is to learn about gambling from other gamblers, and that has to be very common. If a guy starts off on the wrong foot, does he reject the sound advice he comes across because it doesn't sound right?

In any case, Hammer, I second this motion; your initial search for the facts has most likely brought you to a book written by somebody 'full of it', who just wants to make money selling his book.

Some players learn from the dealers. What could go wrong there? After all, they've been dealing for a long time. I had one the other day who's been dealing for two years. She knew everything, especially when to play the side bets.

hammer38, you've come to the right forum if you'd actually like to win at blackjack (or other casino games). The choice is yours if you want to go about it the right way and play a solid game with legitimate ways to win....or you can try to use "get rich quick" systems that really don't work.


First of all, there's no such thing as a "hot/cold table", "hot/cold dealer", "streaks", etc. You can't beat a game by only using bet selection or whatever some of these system authors talk about.


To win, it takes a lot of work and practice. The most simplistic way of beating blackjack is by card-counting. Need to learn the game, the ins and outs, know basic strategy in your sleep, and spend considerable time practicing. It's not gonna guarantee you a $300/hour, or any claims like that, but if you play long enough (properly), you will end up a winner.


Anytime you see anything that's "the best system" or some "guarantee"...it's nothing more than someone trying to sell a strategy that doesn't work.

Thank you, I have been playing blackjack at mohegan sun, foxwood and pocono downs for approximately 4 years using basic strategy. I am able to hold my own at the tables. I play at the ten dollar min. and usually bet, if I win the first hand, I continue raising until I get beat and go back to the min. My raises are, 10, 15 20 , 25. I have been trying to card count recently using the reko counting sytem, I am able to count a deck in 30 seconds. I was able to use it at the casino, last three sessions, the problem I am having, the count was always in the negative, with 6 and 8 decks. How about the progressive betting syytem, do they really work. I love balackjack and go to the casinos often. Anymore advise, I do appreciate it.

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Thank you, I have been playing blackjack at mohegan sun, foxwood and pocono downs for approximately 4 years using basic strategy. I am able to hold my own at the tables. I play at the ten dollar min. and usually bet, if I win the first hand, I continue raising until I get beat and go back to the min. My raises are, 10, 15 20 , 25. I have been trying to card count recently using the reko counting sytem, I am able to count a deck in 30 seconds. I was able to use it at the casino, last three sessions, the problem I am having, the count was always in the negative, with 6 and 8 decks. How about the progressive betting syytem, do they really work. I love balackjack and go to the casinos often. Anymore advise, I do appreciate it.

Hammer,
That was a very nice and polite response.
I have to politely disagree with the Pink Pony (RS) on one point.
It is an unbelievably "Streaky' game.
Don't know why, math doesn't adequately explain it, and neither can I.
I'm working on how to recognize the streaks, take advantage of them.
If I get it figured out I'll give you 50% off the 'regular' price for the secret.
I'll save your WOV name and PM you then, if/then.
Can't share that price with just everyone ;-)

Don't bet money you really can't afford to lose, period.
You got a little to play around with, cool, go have some fun!

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How about the progressive betting syytem, do they really work. I love balackjack and go to the casinos often. Anymore advise, I do appreciate it.

Ok Hammer, to answer your question about progressive betting, I'd like to start one step sooner. Bear with me.


If you have $1,000,000 and decide you need $1,001,000 and will then walk away, then we can estimate pretty well how to do that and how likely you will be to succeed. You would let variance be your friend and find a wager that offered odds of 1/1,000 on and place all your money on that wager. Since such wagers are not generally available, you engineer a situation that gives the same effect. Lets try Martingale... Bet 1000 and if you win, walk away. The odds were 50:50 (more or less). If you lose, you didn't bust out so bet 2000, 4000,8000,16,000 etc till you win that $1,000 profit or until you bust out your million. ( You could be screwed if you get a hand that should be split or doubled down )

We can easily estimate that you have a fantastically good chance of achieving your winning goal with that progressive betting system. The odds were roughly 1/1,000 of going bust and 999/1,000 of walking out with $1000 profit. So, to that extent progressive betting systems win very often. Seemples.

But, 1,000 is not a significant amount compared to your worldly fortune of $1,000,000 so it was absolutely pointless. You need to repeat often enough for your fortune to increase significantly.

Now, let's say you need to increase your fortune from 1,000,000 to 1,100,000 which is a nice objective for the year and you are happy to do that by making $1,000 per day for each of 100 days. Sound's good. Follow the process above.... You are going to put your million at risk (1/1,000) but you are going to take that risk 100 times. You'll have lots of good 1,000 profit days. Bang, Bang, Bang, It will probably feel fantastic. Maybe some days you'll be putting 256,000 on the table, but most days will be fine. But over the year, you are putting your 1,000,000 worldly goods at an overall 1 in 10 risk of annihilation. What was the point. You started out as a millionaire and at best would make 100,000 and risked ruin with probability of 10%

That's how these progressive system sellers get away with their claim that it's a winning system. You DO WIN more often than you lose, but when you lose, you are dead. Like betting on Russian roulette with one bullet in a six chamber revolver. Most times you will win if you do it once. Half the times you will die if you have a session of 3 shots.

OK. I see that you would put stopping points in after say 3 consecutive losses. Trust me it doesn't help. You will not crash and burn so quickly. It will be death by 1000 cuts rather than sudden death.

With regular Martingale, a graph of your progress would show an upward stair-case with occasional plummets towards oblivion.

Maybe you'd prefer turning marty on it's head and doubling when you win and then fall back to min bet when you lose. The chart of your progress would look different. it would be a downward staircase with occasional leaps upward. But the overall outcome is still ruin. House edge is relentlessly nibbling away.

Martingale and other progressive systems can be fun and exciting. But they make you feel invincible and encourage you. Then you bust out. Use progressive systems if you NEED a small percentage profit and WILL walk away, such as if you have $999 and live in a war zone and need $1,000 to buy a flight home. Other than that, forget it.

And there are many variations on progressive systems. They have two common factors: They add excitement: They step you towards near certain ruin.

Thank you for the response, it was very informative. I figure the best way is to continue card counting and utilizing basic strategy. What do you think about the REKO card counting, is it worth continuing with learning.
Thank you again.

Hi Lo seems to be favourite on this forum, especially with those that do it for serious money.
It's not a moneyspinner in its own right. read posts from Romes and Kewlj

REKO will work just fine for making the money, as all counts do (except something like Ace-Five count). Some are better than others. I would continue with REKO. If you like the game (card counting) and can stomach the variance, then keep using the REKO system. Or if you want to strengthen your game or enjoy a challenge, you could always jump up to a more difficult count down the road. But in my opinion, you'll do just fine with REKO.

Don't take TwoFeathersATL's post serious about streaks. Bet with a streak or bet against a streak and ultimately you're gonna end up a loser.

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REKO will work just fine for making the money, as all counts do (except something like Ace-Five count). Some are better than others. I would continue with REKO. If you like the game (card counting) and can stomach the variance, then keep using the REKO system. Or if you want to strengthen your game or enjoy a challenge, you could always jump up to a more difficult count down the road. But in my opinion, you'll do just fine with REKO.

Don't take TwoFeathersATL's post serious about streaks. Bet with a streak or bet against a streak and ultimately you're gonna end up a loser.

I wasn't serious about offering to sell Hammer a solution, I was serious about it being a streaky game. But your advise is probably better than mine. Hammer, listen to RS.
That's better.

If anyone knows how to predict or identify a streak, when it begins and when it ends, I'd love to hear from you. Shhh! Don't tell anyone else. We'll make money together.

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If anyone knows how to predict or identify a streak, when it begins and when it ends, I'd love to hear from you. Shhh! Don't tell anyone else. We'll make money together.

I can identify when streaks begin and when they end.....well, after the fact I can! I assume you have a time machine, 1BB, yes? If I can use your time machine, I'll fork over 90% of my net wins to you.

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I was serious about it being a streaky game.

I disagree strongly, but it's down to how you define streaky.
It's possibly perceived as being streaky because of the pace at which it's played.
E.g. lose,lose,lose,lose would be a streak that you would see about 1/16 of the time from the first observation. Win,Win,Win,Win is equally likely, so you'd see such a streak of 4 ( of one type or the other ) about 1/8 times. If you consider Win,Lose,Win,Lose and Lose,Win,Lose,Win as streaks too, you'd see one of those 4 types of streak about 1 in 4 times.
Over the course of an hours play, with the benefit of some hind-sight, you'd see lots of streaks of four or more. So many hands played, so many streaks perceived. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Retrospective analysis of games of BJ I played have shown me that the number of streaks seen correlates well to those predicted by the maths.

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If anyone knows how to predict or identify a streak, when it begins and when it ends, I'd love to hear from you. Shhh! Don't tell anyone else. We'll make money together.

Ask Randombacplay12. He asserts that the casinos rig the shoes in a way that makes them predictable.

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I can identify when streaks begin and when they end.....well, after the fact I can! I assume you have a time machine, 1BB, yes? If I can use your time machine, I'll fork over 90% of my net wins to you.

Ha ha. I can't give it all away but here's a little tidbit. A wise dealer once told me that 10s follow 10s. Who knew? :-)

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A wise dealer once told me that 10s follow 10s. Who knew? :-)

Wow. an experimental simulation over a billion shoes reveals he/she was right. 30.769% of the time a ten value card is followed by another ten value card. Fancy a dealer letting that secret slip.

Let's keep refining these systems. We're all going to be rich, I tell you. RIIIiiiiiiccccch !!!!!!
$:o)

Vary your bet wildly up and down at any game and you will be amazed how streaky it gets!

Actually flat-betting BJ is not streaky, relatively speaking; there is an known low standard deviation.

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Vary your bet wildly up and down at any game and you will be amazed how streaky it gets!

Yes.... and with the same cards coming out regardless.

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Actually flat-betting BJ is not streaky, relatively speaking; there is an known low standard deviation.

It's about 1.1 or 1.2 units isn't it?

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.It's about 1.1 or 1.2 units isn't it?

yes, and there's not much that will be lower than that as you can see from the Wizard link. If there are a lot of ties it can be lower?

Interesting that to Place (to lose) 4,10 in craps has an SD of 0.69

Remind me not to do that LOL

https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/