Would this work? If not, why?
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Betting System: Look for the games with the best rules and follow basic strategy (kind of a given). Use Oscar's Grind with a win limit of 10 units and a loss limit of 10 units. When a loss of 5 or more units is reached, start the sequence over and only play until net profit is 0 or until the loss limit is reached. Keep playing at different tables and different casinos until satisfactory profit is gained.
Quote: TheMadSailorI know that betting systems are proven to be useless mathematically, but...
You were doing ok until you got to 'but'.
If you've been successful, you've been lucky. Sooner or later, it's gonna fail, and fail big.
Until that day enjoy yourself, but know that day is coming.
(a) At a particular table, do an Oscar's Grind until you reach either +10 or -5
(b) If you reach -5, reset the bet to 1, and continue until you reach either -10 or 0
(c) When you reach one of the two stop conditions, go to another table
(d) Repeat as necessary until you reach a "satisfactory profit" for the day, then stop
Is this right, and if it is, what is your definition of "satisfactory profit"?
If I understand this correctly, what DJTeddyBear said is correct - your number of daily wins will almost certainly be higher than your daily losses, but when you do have losses, they will tend to be much larger.
E[X] + E[Y] = E[X+Y]
Therefore, it will not work.
Quote: dwheatleyLet's try something I saw in another thread:
E[X] + E[Y] = E[X+Y]
Therefore, it will not work.
That's really all you need to know
Quote: TheMadSailorI know that betting systems are proven to be useless mathematically, but I've been using one
If doing so adds to your enjoyment of the game, so be it. It's your money, play it how you like.
If you happen to get lucky and win, well done you.
If you happen to lose, well, you were buying entertainment.
Does the system call for doing anything special after losing a double, or both sides of a split?
Quote: AxelWolfWizzard PLEASE take my advice and charge a fee to post in betting systems thread. Any betting system non Wizard approved in other sections automatically deleted.
Noted and moved. Thanks.
If every bet you make is -EV....how can you add up a bunch of -EV bets to end up with +EV?
Quote: AxelWolfWizzard PLEASE take my advice and charge a fee to post in betting systems thread. Any betting system non Wizard approved in other sections automatically deleted.
But I like posting in this sub-forum.
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Quote: AxelWolfWizzard PLEASE take my advice and charge a fee to post in betting systems thread. Any betting system non Wizard approved in other sections automatically deleted.
The Wizard has confirmed that he would like a fee for people posting systems. I propose a no holds barred amnesty for insulting and berating these guys but I am a romantic.
In the multiverse, anything which can happen, can and does happen somewhere. -EV through chance becomes EV somewhere never paying the piper, then Elvis hits you with his car as you leave the casino. Just kidding, but wrap your head around that. I would suppose it's still -EV for all versions of you, so that's how it still holds true to the expectation remaining a negative expectation.Quote: RSBetting systems, in it of themselves, do not work. Well, they don't win money [I think that's what people mean by "does a betting system work?"]. If you think there's something special about your system or it's somehow unique, feel free to post your strategy.......but, unless the money you're putting into the circle has +EV, then you're going to be losing.
If every bet you make is -EV....how can you add up a bunch of -EV bets to end up with +EV?
But I like posting in this sub-forum.
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Quote: onenickelmiracleI would suppose it's still -EV for all versions of you, so that's how it still holds true to the expectation remaining a negative expectation.
Instead of having the EV of bet combinations continuing to add up into one sum, if only there were some way to multiply one -EV bet against another -EV bet.
Quote: TheMadSailorI know that betting systems are proven to be useless mathematically, but I've been using one in blackjack and so far, there has been no problems as long as I followed the system. At the end of the day, I always won money. Sometimes I had to play for a long time, sometimes not. Can anyone tell me if the following betting system would work, and if not, why?
Betting System: Look for the games with the best rules and follow basic strategy (kind of a given). Use Oscar's Grind with a win limit of 10 units and a loss limit of 10 units. When a loss of 5 or more units is reached, start the sequence over and only play until net profit is 0 or until the loss limit is reached. Keep playing at different tables and different casinos until satisfactory profit is gained.
This system is full proof and yes it will work, I used it myself and it always work, don't listen to these other people if they only knew what they were talking about. The amount of time spent in the casino is the short run, and anything can happen in the short run, the long run is infinity and no one can reach infinity to enter in the long run. Go ahead use your system and let me know when the casino kicks you out for winning too much. Casinos have banned many people that has an advantage over the house, your face will be place in the black book, and every casino will know your face.
Hopefully you win a few millions before you get banned and place in the Griffin book.
I play some roulette, I'd love to hear how he beats the game.
C'mon, EB!!
Quote: RonCDon't charge anything until after EvenBob reveals his often-touted and not yet revealed system for roulette!!
I play some roulette, I'd love to hear how he beats the game.
C'mon, EB!!
Hmm, an EB roulette system.
My feeling is he remembers all the sessions he came out ahead.
He forgets all the losing sessions.
After the gambling trip is over, he checks his memory banks, all he remembers is wins.
therefore all he remembers is that he's a winner, system works :-)
Quote: jamesbond007This system is full proof and yes it will work...
What does "full proof" mean?
Quote: DeucekiesWhat does "full proof" mean?
200 proof its the strength of the booze he was drinking when he came up with his gambling system I assume.
Quote: DeucekiesWhat does "full proof" mean?
I meant to say fool proof, only fools use this system and it works, the casino allows this kind of system every time for all kinds of fools. They welcome it with open arms, that is why the casino are still open and everybody goes home a winner, I wonder who pay the electric bill in the casino, I mean they give away free food and rooms and now money, where does the money come so that the casino can pay their employees and the electric bill has be sky high, that why I am freezing my buns off every time in the casino.
Can you explain this? I don't understand.Quote: odiousgambitInstead of having the EV of bet combinations continuing to add up into one sum, if only there were some way to multiply one -EV bet against another -EV bet.
Griffin still has a book? Not joking when I ask this, What's First few rules in the griffin book?Quote: jamesbond007This system is full proof and yes it will work, I used it myself and it always work, don't listen to these other people if they only knew what they were talking about. The amount of time spent in the casino is the short run, and anything can happen in the short run, the long run is infinity and no one can reach infinity to enter in the long run. Go ahead use your system and let me know when the casino kicks you out for winning too much. Casinos have banned many people that has an advantage over the house, your face will be place in the black book, and every casino will know your face.
Hopefully you win a few millions before you get banned and place in the Griffin book.
A) Fight club rules.
B) Everybody is a cheat.
C) 1) Identify suspect. 2) ID suspect. 3)detain/ beat suspect 4) Ban suspect. 5) destroy video evidenced 6. file assault charges before suspect does.
D) Avoid confrontation with attorneys.
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Sorry E, all of the above is not an option,
Quote: onenickelmiracleCan you explain this? I don't understand.Quote: odiousgambitInstead of having the EV of bet combinations continuing to add up into one sum, if only there were some way to multiply one -EV bet against another -EV bet.
Bet combinations just add up the EV on the bets, so no matter what bet combination the casino offers that you dream up, the EV, which is negative, gets larger and larger.
If, however, you could multiply the EV of the bets instead of adding them up [joke], a negative multiplied against a negative is positive!
Quote: odiousgambitIf, however, you could multiply the EV of the bets instead of adding them up
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Quote: odiousgambitQuote: onenickelmiracleCan you explain this? I don't understand.Quote: odiousgambitInstead of having the EV of bet combinations continuing to add up into one sum, if only there were some way to multiply one -EV bet against another -EV bet.
Bet combinations just add up the EV on the bets, so no matter what bet combination the casino offers that you dream up, the EV, which is negative, gets larger and larger.
If, however, you could multiply the EV of the bets instead of adding them up [joke], a negative multiplied against a negative is positive!
Yes, but then you'd have someone on here saying they have a 3-bet system that makes money. :)
Quote: AxelWolfWizzard PLEASE take my advice and charge a fee to post in betting systems thread. Any betting system non Wizard approved in other sections automatically deleted.
So, by the logic of this forum, I could theoretically devise a system under these rules where I posted a bunch of betting systems in a thread that added up to the Wizard giving me money, yes?
;)
Quote: DicePhDSo, by the logic of this forum, I could theoretically devise a system under these rules where I posted a bunch of betting systems in a thread that added up to the Wizard giving me money, yes?
;)
Axel, you honestly thought that the DicePhD and yours truly were the same person? C'mon.
Quote: DicePhDSo, by the logic of this forum, I could theoretically devise a system under these rules where I posted a bunch of betting systems in a thread that added up to the Wizard giving me money, yes?
;)
Not even theoretically. You'd be sooooooo nuked long before that. :)
Quote: beachbumbabsNot even theoretically. You'd be sooooooo nuked long before that. :)
So when theory and logic and math and physics are against me, where do I turn? I assume YouTube :)
Quote: DicePhDSo when theory and logic and math and physics are against me, where do I turn? I assume YouTube :)
Gamblers Glenn or John Patrick
Quote: AxelWolfGriffin still has a book? Not joking when I ask this, What's First few rules in the griffin book?
A) Fight club rules.
B) Everybody is a cheat.
C) 1) Identify suspect. 2) ID suspect. 3)detain/ beat suspect 4) Ban suspect. 5) destroy video evidenced 6. file assault charges before suspect does.
D) Avoid confrontation with attorneys.
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Sorry E, all of the above is not an option,
This is a book of people who are not welcome in casino! For the simple minded people who are not aware of that I will spell it out for you. This is people who are consider advantage players, not that you can be one, they will welcome you with open arms , you might as well dump your cash when you walk in and just leave, it will save you time. yes this book exist, one thing AxelWolf Get a Life and quit wasting your time in the casino. Here is some advice leave your donations at the door and just leave, you feel much better after that instead staying there all night and then and going home broke.
Umm... you are out to lunch. I 100% know there is a Griffin book. I have a copy.Quote: jamesbond007This is a book of people who are not welcome in casino! For the simple minded people who are not aware of that I will spell it out for you. This is people who are consider advantage players, not that you can be one, they will welcome you with open arms , you might as well dump your cash when you walk in and just leave, it will save you time. yes this book exist, one thing AxelWolf Get a Life and quit wasting your time in the casino. Here is some advice leave your donations at the door and just leave, you feel much better after that instead staying there all night and then and going home broke.
I was under the impression they are just a very small shell of a company nowadays. Using them as a reference nowadays seems to make you out of touch with whats really going on in casinos.
