Craps 6/8 strategy including hardways inc. WinCraps Classic file
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February 26th, 2014 at 12:33:05 PM
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This is the 6/8 drop 4 to 64 adding the hardways system. I currently use this at the live tables and works very well for a good night out on a small bankroll.
Wincraps users don't forget to adjust the Config > Probabilities > change 7 to 4 for live table feel.
Wincraps users don't forget to adjust the Config > Probabilities > change 7 to 4 for live table feel.
' CrapsGenius 6/8 regression/progression
' Hardways included
' Starts with $12 each on Place 6 and 8
' 1 hit presses to $30 bet on place 6 or 8
' 2 hits regresses $30 bets to $10 on 4, 5, 9, 10 and $12 on 6, 8
' Subsequent hits progress 120% to 2005 of amount won on the number hit
' Starts over when a 7-out is rolled.
When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
or when . . .
A Point is decided "against" any number
then . . .
Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Press Double"
Bet $ 12 on Place 6
Bet $ 12 on Place 8
Set flag "Load" to False
When . . .
Place 6 has won 1 time
or when . . .
Place 6 is greater than $ 12
then . . .
Bet $ 30 on Place 6
When . . .
Place 8 has won 1 time
or when . . .
Place 8 is greater than $ 12
then . . .
Bet $ 30 on Place 8
While . . .
Flag "Load" is True
then . . .
Go to "Load"
Lock
When . . .
Place 6 is not less than $ 60
or when . . .
Place 8 is not less than $ 60
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 4
Bet $ 10 on Place 5
Bet $ 12 on Place 6
Bet $ 12 on Place 8
Bet $ 10 on Place 9
Bet $ 10 on Place 10
Set flag "Load" to True
Do this . . .
Go to "End"
Load
Hard 4
When . . .
Hard 4 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 800 % of the last Hard 4 on Hard 4
While . . .
Hard 4 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 4
Reset wins/losses on Hard 4
Hard 6
When . . .
Hard 6 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 1000 % of the last Hard 6 on Hard 6
While . . .
Hard 6 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 6
Reset wins/losses on Hard 6
Hard 8
When . . .
Hard 8 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 1000 % of the last Hard 8 on Hard 8
While . . .
Hard 8 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 8
Reset wins/losses on Hard 8
Hard 10
When . . .
Hard 10 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 800 % of the last Hard 10 on Hard 10
While . . .
Hard 10 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 10
Reset wins/losses on Hard 10
When . . .
Place 4 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 4
Buy the Place Bet on Place 4
When . . .
Buy 4 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 200 % of the last Buy 4 on Buy 4
When . . .
Place 5 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 5
When . . .
Place 5 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 125 % of the last Place 5 on Place 5
When . . .
Place 6 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 120 % of the last Place 6 on Place 6
When . . .
Place 8 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 120 % of the last Place 8 on Place 8
When . . .
Place 9 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 9
When . . .
Place 9 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 120 % of the last Place 9 on Place 9
When . . .
Place 10 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 10
Buy the Place Bet on Place 10
When . . .
Buy 10 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 200 % of the last Buy 10 on Buy 10
End
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February 26th, 2014 at 12:47:21 PM
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Quote: CrapsGeniousWincraps users don't forget to adjust the Config > Probabilities > change 7 to 4 for live table feel.
CG, have you ever logged your roll results, specifically those where you are allowed to roll however you can get away with? Those which don't hit the back wall fully?
February 26th, 2014 at 1:51:56 PM
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Quote: endermikeCG, have you ever logged your roll results, specifically those where you are allowed to roll however you can get away with? Those which don't hit the back wall fully?
This strategy does not affect in any way hitting the back wall, they are random rolls from random shooters. the casino has cooled off with that "Both dice hitting back wall thing" Even though I do not get hedging opportunities, this strategy does pretty good.
As far as win to loss ratio: I have 69.57/30.43
I do however incorporate the 4th,5th,6th number firebet hedging with this system but is not included in the wincraps file.
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February 26th, 2014 at 2:08:12 PM
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Quote: CrapsGeniousAs far as win to loss ratio: I have 69.57/30.43
Sorry, I think I was unclear. I meant your "live throw" results. When you stand in a casino, have you ever studiously tracked your results?
February 26th, 2014 at 2:26:04 PM
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Quote: endermikeSorry, I think I was unclear. I meant your "live throw" results. When you stand in a casino, have you ever studiously tracked your results?
Yes, actually when throwing Left side of stickman using the 4/6, 2/2 set gives me repeating 6's/8's/10's/hard 10's averaging 10 rolls before 7 out. Highest rolls 44 There is an odd time will PSO.
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March 3rd, 2014 at 9:16:34 AM
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Update: 03/03/2014
Hello, I just wanted to share a strategy I use at the casino when playing craps.
*Bank roll $300.00
*Shooting from table position 8 (Right side of stick man) using the "4/4 top, 2/2 facing me" set.
Primary target numbers rolled are: 6 & 8.
or
*Shooting from table position 1 (corner table) using the "6/2 top, 2/4 facing me" set.
Primary target numbers rolled are: also 6 & 8.
1) Start by placing the 6/8 for $12 each.
(at this point i'm -$24 from my chip stack)
2) After 1 win, I drop $4.00 on the table and tell the dealer to power press to $30
(at this point i'm -$28 from my chip stack)
3) After another win:
a) if the powerpress wins again, I take $13 change and tell dealer "64 across including the point"
(at this point i'm -$15 from my chip stack)
b) if the other number wins I drop $8 on the table and tell the dealer "64 across including the point"
(at this point i'm -$36 from my chip stack)
Now the fun begins.
4) After each win:
a) If 4 or 10 win, I drop $7 on the table and tell dealer to colour up $25 to my chip stack.
b) If 5, 6, 8 or 9 wins, I drop $11 on the table and tell dealer to colour up $25 to my chip stack.
I do acknowledge I'm still at a negative at this point if I choose to leave all my bets in play, but I do tend to pull ahead quite a bit in the long haul prolonging my table play.
(In most cases win or lose, I will have only have a small portion of my bank roll at risk)
5) As a side bet:
a) $5/firebet (Hedging at 4th number for $120Lay, 5th for $750Lay, 6th for Max/Lay.
b) $20 on the hardways ($5 each) Full parley 1 time only then same bet thereafter.
(I realize that yes the extra $25.00 side bets put me to -$40 or -$61)
(Average bet is $35.00 and in most cases am awarded an $18.00 meal credit after 4 hrs of play)
I'm always open to suggestions for improvement. ;)
Attached is an updated WinCraps Classic file
Hello, I just wanted to share a strategy I use at the casino when playing craps.
*Bank roll $300.00
*Shooting from table position 8 (Right side of stick man) using the "4/4 top, 2/2 facing me" set.
Primary target numbers rolled are: 6 & 8.
or
*Shooting from table position 1 (corner table) using the "6/2 top, 2/4 facing me" set.
Primary target numbers rolled are: also 6 & 8.
1) Start by placing the 6/8 for $12 each.
(at this point i'm -$24 from my chip stack)
2) After 1 win, I drop $4.00 on the table and tell the dealer to power press to $30
(at this point i'm -$28 from my chip stack)
3) After another win:
a) if the powerpress wins again, I take $13 change and tell dealer "64 across including the point"
(at this point i'm -$15 from my chip stack)
b) if the other number wins I drop $8 on the table and tell the dealer "64 across including the point"
(at this point i'm -$36 from my chip stack)
Now the fun begins.
4) After each win:
a) If 4 or 10 win, I drop $7 on the table and tell dealer to colour up $25 to my chip stack.
b) If 5, 6, 8 or 9 wins, I drop $11 on the table and tell dealer to colour up $25 to my chip stack.
I do acknowledge I'm still at a negative at this point if I choose to leave all my bets in play, but I do tend to pull ahead quite a bit in the long haul prolonging my table play.
(In most cases win or lose, I will have only have a small portion of my bank roll at risk)
5) As a side bet:
a) $5/firebet (Hedging at 4th number for $120Lay, 5th for $750Lay, 6th for Max/Lay.
b) $20 on the hardways ($5 each) Full parley 1 time only then same bet thereafter.
(I realize that yes the extra $25.00 side bets put me to -$40 or -$61)
(Average bet is $35.00 and in most cases am awarded an $18.00 meal credit after 4 hrs of play)
I'm always open to suggestions for improvement. ;)
Attached is an updated WinCraps Classic file
' CrapsGenius 6/8 regression/progression
' Starts with $12 each on Place 6 and 8
' 1 hit presses to $30 bet on place 6 or 8
' 2 hits regresses $30 bets to $10 on 4, 5, 9, 10 and $12 on 6, 8
' Subsequent hits same bet take winnings
' Starts over when a 7-out is rolled.
When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
or when . . .
A Point is decided "against" any number
then . . .
Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Press Double"
Bet $ 12 on Place 6
Bet $ 12 on Place 8
Set flag "Load" to False
When . . .
Place 6 has won 1 time
or when . . .
Place 6 is greater than $ 12
then . . .
Bet $ 30 on Place 6
When . . .
Place 8 has won 1 time
or when . . .
Place 8 is greater than $ 12
then . . .
Bet $ 30 on Place 8
While . . .
Flag "Load" is True
then . . .
Go to "Load"
Lock
When . . .
Place 6 is not less than $ 60
or when . . .
Place 8 is not less than $ 60
then . . .
Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Same Bet - Take Winnings"
Bet $ 10 on Place 4
Bet $ 10 on Place 5
Bet $ 12 on Place 6
Bet $ 12 on Place 8
Bet $ 10 on Place 9
Bet $ 10 on Place 10
Set flag "Load" to True
Do this . . .
Go to "End"
Load
Hard 4
When . . .
Hard 4 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 800 % of the last Hard 4 on Hard 4
While . . .
Hard 4 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 4
Reset wins/losses on Hard 4
Hard 6
When . . .
Hard 6 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 1000 % of the last Hard 6 on Hard 6
While . . .
Hard 6 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 6
Reset wins/losses on Hard 6
Hard 8
When . . .
Hard 8 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 1000 % of the last Hard 8 on Hard 8
While . . .
Hard 8 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 8
Reset wins/losses on Hard 8
Hard 10
When . . .
Hard 10 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 800 % of the last Hard 10 on Hard 10
While . . .
Hard 10 is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Hard 10
Reset wins/losses on Hard 10
When . . .
Place 4 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 4
Buy the Place Bet on Place 4
When . . .
Buy 4 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 200 % of the last Buy 4 on Buy 4
When . . .
Place 5 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 5
When . . .
Place 5 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 125 % of the last Place 5 on Place 5
When . . .
Place 6 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 120 % of the last Place 6 on Place 6
When . . .
Place 8 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 120 % of the last Place 8 on Place 8
When . . .
Place 9 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 9
When . . .
Place 9 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 120 % of the last Place 9 on Place 9
When . . .
Place 10 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Place 10
Buy the Place Bet on Place 10
When . . .
Buy 10 has won each time
then . . .
Bet 200 % of the last Buy 10 on Buy 10
End
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March 3rd, 2014 at 9:34:36 AM
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What is a 64 across including the point? Most of my craps is just playing the pass line so I've got no clue.
March 3rd, 2014 at 9:37:22 AM
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Quote: geoffWhat is a 64 across including the point? Most of my craps is just playing the pass line so I've got no clue.
I avoid betting passline for each shooter.
if I'm shooting I just "Doey/Don't" on the passline and place 0 on shooters point and 10 odds behind the passline bet.
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March 3rd, 2014 at 11:38:09 AM
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Quote: geoffWhat is a 64 across including the point? Most of my craps is just playing the pass line so I've got no clue.
$10 each on 4, 5, 9, and 10, and $12 each on 6 and 8 for a total of $64
March 9th, 2014 at 12:14:03 AM
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Quote: wudged$10 each on 4, 5, 9, and 10, and $12 each on 6 and 8 for a total of $64
The $64 across is including the point.
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March 9th, 2014 at 4:39:25 AM
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Why is it that you pass up the best bet (pass line w/ full odds) when you are in control of the dice? You've told us that you don't shoot sevens as often as other numbers, so you have a pretty good chance of hitting the point before rolling the seven.
Have you calculated whether or not your controlled throw can overcome the house edge on certain bets?
On the poor, unknowing random rollers, why do you let the house have a high edge against you by betting the 5/9 and the 4/10? At least it seems your strategy would be better if you dropped the 5/9 bet altogether and bought (assuming vig after win only) 4/10 for a quarter along with your 6/8 for $12 each. Now your bet is $74 but you've eliminated the two bets with the worst house edge.
Have you calculated whether or not your controlled throw can overcome the house edge on certain bets?
On the poor, unknowing random rollers, why do you let the house have a high edge against you by betting the 5/9 and the 4/10? At least it seems your strategy would be better if you dropped the 5/9 bet altogether and bought (assuming vig after win only) 4/10 for a quarter along with your 6/8 for $12 each. Now your bet is $74 but you've eliminated the two bets with the worst house edge.
March 9th, 2014 at 9:02:59 AM
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Quote: RonCWhy is it that you pass up the best bet (pass line w/ full odds) when you are in control of the dice? You've told us that you don't shoot sevens as often as other numbers, so you have a pretty good chance of hitting the point before rolling the seven.
Have you calculated whether or not your controlled throw can overcome the house edge on certain bets?
On the poor, unknowing random rollers, why do you let the house have a high edge against you by betting the 5/9 and the 4/10? At least it seems your strategy would be better if you dropped the 5/9 bet altogether and bought (assuming vig after win only) 4/10 for a quarter along with your 6/8 for $12 each. Now your bet is $74 but you've eliminated the two bets with the worst house edge.
the 5/9 get rolled quite often, 9 is one of my primary numbers when using the 4/4, 2/2 set.
Also you are correct and I do bet the pass line along with Don't pass line w/$10 odds behind the passline (only when shooting) a passline bet is required in order to shoot the dice. in this case it would be 52 or 54 across with odds behind the passline.
I'm taking your advice when it come to optimizing my bets (Playing full odds).
I focus more on shooting and lose track of betting, that's why I just play a standard type of betting asking dealers for help when it comes to payouts, bets I miss and also what I need to drop on the table to get them "Green chips".
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March 9th, 2014 at 9:08:47 AM
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Quote: CrapsGeniousthe 5/9 get rolled quite often, 9 is one of my primary numbers when using the 4/4, 2/2 set.
I get that you feel that you see more of the 5/9 when you are rolling, but when you are betting on mere random shooters, who would roll more along the normal random ratios over time, why bet the higher house edge?
Keep in mind that I still remain unconvinced that you roll any more 5/9's than the next guy (or any less 7's), but you are convinced that you do. That doesn't change the math, even if it were true, for everyone else who is shooting.
March 9th, 2014 at 9:10:42 AM
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Quote: CrapsGeniousI focus more on shooting and lose track of betting, that's why I just play a standard type of betting asking dealers for help when it comes to payouts, bets I miss and also what I need to drop on the table to get them "Green chips".
$25 "buy" of the 4/10 is easy for a person wanting green chips--drop one white (in most cases) chip and get two greens...not the best bet in the house, but one of my personal favorite payouts!
March 9th, 2014 at 10:18:12 AM
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Quote: RonC$25 "buy" of the 4/10 is easy for a person wanting green chips--drop one white (in most cases) chip and get two greens...not the best bet in the house, but one of my personal favorite payouts!
Did that test in both Wincraps and live table situations. That's actually one of my earlier starts was betting the 4/10 but after a couple months of wincraps and live table results, I switched to 6/8 strategy, hit once and its similar to 4/10 but better.
It's better to wager $12/6, drop $4.00 after 1 win and press to $30 as compared to just buying the 4 for $25 (or actually $10/4 after 1 win buy for $25) because the 6 comes in far more than twice as much resulting in more profits betting just the 6/8.
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