Gandler
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February 1st, 2014 at 2:48:27 PM permalink
I don't understand why so many people are convinced that baccarat has a system that can beat it? It is little more than a coin toss (with one side of the coin very slightly heavier than the other). But the more I play it at casinos there are endless amounts of people raving on and on about their system and telling others they are stupid for not taking their advice (and occasionally they get lucky and win a lot and then get even more certain that they have a "wining system").

And Youtube has endless amounts of videos about Baccarat systems (just searching "Baccarat" on youtube brings up 80% systems-sellings videos and very few videos with any actual information...). Why does this game have so many people thinking that there are systems that can possibly beat it? Much more so than roulette and craps and blackjack people seem to be convinced that baccarat has a beatable system even though it is much simpler than all of the above games?

I just don't understand why this game of all games attracts so many people that are so hooked on their systems, I see a lot of stupid stuff on other games as well, but nearly as much or as frequently as I see among baccarat players? Baccarat is almost no fun to play in live casinos because of all the people trying to tell you how to play and getting mad when you don't listen to them....

I am not sure why I just posted this to be honest, I guess just a rant, but I am just baffled by how many people are so religiously obsessed with their systems on baccarat of all games.... ?
Beethoven9th
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February 1st, 2014 at 2:54:21 PM permalink
Aren't you the guy who thought that the Martingale was a great system? lol
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Gandler
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February 1st, 2014 at 3:02:15 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Aren't you the guy who thought that the Martingale was a great system? lol


I though using a partner martingale may be less harmful martingale. It turned out I was wrong (as I assumed I was). I am pretty sure I even started that post with "this is probably a horrifically stupid idea but..." or something along those lines lol. But I was asking that more of out of mathematical interest than intentions to actually risk using it.
(I only ever used the Martingale once, when I was very new to gambling and casinos and just old enough to go I was looking at the roulette wheel and thought about doubling on red after every loss and thought I was a genius, and I did it and won a quite a bit, but when I looked it up online later I realized that what I did was called the Martingale and realized I got lucky).

But in either case I would never insist to others to play or not play a certain way which is more so what my rant is about.
rob45
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February 1st, 2014 at 3:57:50 PM permalink
Perhaps someone will be along soon to reiterate the merits of his 52-53% "strike rate".
If and when he does comment, you will begin to understand the fact that many who claim success not only often fail to verify the results, but are also usually at a loss when it comes to explaining the results.

Until that time, it is certainly prudent to take into consideration the fact that the game is one of negative expectation, and no betting system will ultimately beat it.
The game offers a choice of two primary bets that are very close in expectation (yet both are still negative overall).
The probabilities for Player and Banker are very close, and the variance is reasonable, leading individuals to believe that a betting system can overcome the house edge.
The game is slow-moving, relatively speaking. For a person to experience the "long run" house advantage, it can take a very long time and many visits if the individual has experienced previous "success" with a given system. Rest assured, the house will prevail; they simply need you to keep coming back and playing the game.

The only way to beat the game is to put the money up only during those times when you have a proven edge over the house.
With that said, you will hear some claim that they do have an edge. Then you get to ask for proof of the stated edge.
Keyser
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:12:33 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I don't understand why so many people are convinced that baccarat has a system that can beat it?




Actually Baccarat can be beaten. It's possible to get a nice edge.
Gandler
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:23:00 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Actually Baccarat can be beaten. It's possible to get a nice edge.


Are you being serious?
Keyser
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:24:30 PM permalink
Absolutely.
EdgeLooker
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:36:55 PM permalink
I still don't see any updates on Phil Ivey's lawsuit.
djatc
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:42:45 PM permalink
You beat it by earning more comps then your theoretical loss. Now you just got a discount on food, shows, hookers, etc
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Keyser
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:46:18 PM permalink
You can also actually get a sizeable edge and win real money.

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