I have a winning system but I don't know how to properly prove it. Any suggestions?

Hello, My name is Vince, I'm a 45yr old Professional Gambler since 1996 currently Residing in Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada.

I have a winning system but I don't know how to properly prove it.
I'm new to the online Vegas forum thing so Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Quote: varmenti

Hello, My name is Vince, I'm a 45yr old Professional Gambler since 1996 currently Residing in Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada.

I have a winning system but I don't know how to properly prove it.
I'm new to the online Vegas forum thing so Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Simpler than simple. List all the rules, the strategy, everything you do
with your betting system. The math people here will tell you if it wins
or loses. That's how the gambling world works.

First, come to Vegas and let AxelWolf meet up with you and observe you play. I've never met him, but he seems like a cool guy who won't do anything disrespectful.

You're still willing to meet up with him, right?

Quote: Beethoven9th

First, come to Vegas and let AxelWolf meet up with you and observe you play. I've never met him, but he seems like a cool guy who won't do anything disrespectful.

You're still willing to meet up with him, right?

No Probs, but then what happens next, AxelWolf Becomes my reference of Proof? will I finally get the respect I deserve maybe, because of one guy coming to a casino in vegas is gonna watch me play?

What if... is the real question.

what if he doesn't show up while i'm there and then says he did but couldn't find me?

Then what?

I need to be able to prove 100%

the casino's won't let me record video, and I have multiple warnings about using the camera right now.

Quote: varmenti

I need to be able to prove 100%
.

List the rules and the math people will tell you if it wins or not.

Quote: EvenBob

Simpler than simple. List all the rules, the strategy, everything you do
with your betting system. The math people here will tell you if it wins
or loses. That's how the gambling world works.

I've posted everything from the very start in my threads including pictures, betting examples, Try it at home instructions, I offered Live invitations to Gamble with me or come to watch me play, I even showed them the money, I don't know what else I can possibly add.

Quote: varmenti

No Probs, but then what happens next, AxelWolf Becomes my reference of Proof? will I finally get the respect I deserve maybe, because of one guy coming to a casino in vegas is gonna watch me play?

What if... is the real question.

what if he doesn't show up while i'm there and then says he did but couldn't find me?

Then what?

I need to be able to prove 100%

You can't prove it 100%! Duh! You can't even prove it 1% because the math ain't on your side. This is the whole point that everyone on this forum has been trying to tell you.

Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: varmenti

No Probs, but then what happens next, AxelWolf Becomes my reference of Proof? will I finally get the respect I deserve maybe, because of one guy coming to a casino in vegas is gonna watch me play?

What if... is the real question.

what if he doesn't show up while i'm there and then says he did but couldn't find me?

Then what?

I need to be able to prove 100%

You can't prove it 100%! Duh! You can't even prove it 1% because math ain't on your side. This is the whole point that everyone on this forum has been trying to tell you.

Well thank you for your time then, I guess i'll have to put this thing to rest then and just keep it to myself.

I give up.

Quote: varmenti

Well thank you for your time then, I guess i'll have to put this thing to rest then and just keep it to myself.

If you (or gr8player) want to share your system, that's fine. It's when you start claiming you have an "edge" over the casino that gets you into trouble here.

Quote: varmenti

I give up.

So you're not going to meet up with Axel when you come to Vegas???

Quote: Beethoven9th

If you (or gr8player) want to share your system, that's fine. It's when you start claiming you have an "edge" over the casino that gets you into trouble here.


So you're not going to meet up with Axel???

after reading the comments, i'm afraid not, It's pointless. I make money everyday at the Casino (yes, I say that in Confidence) but I am unable to Prove myself to this forum. Like you said, It can't be done. so why waste his time. I will have an enjoyable vacation though in Vegas.

Quote: varmenti

Well thank you for your time then, I guess i'll have to put this thing to rest then and just keep it to myself.

I give up.

That's for the best. If proving it to yourself and the casino you
win all that money at isn't good enough for you, what else is
there to say.

Quote: EvenBob

That's for the best. If proving it to yourself and the casino you
win all that money at isn't good enough for you, what else is
there to say.

Like i said many times on here, as a new member i just wanted to share something good.

Quote: gr8varmenti

after reading the comments, i'm afraid not, It's pointless.

So you're flaking out already??? LOL!

How come this doesn't surprise me?

Quote: gr8varmenti

Like you said, It can't be done. so why waste his time.

For the same reason you continue to waste our time by talking about this "winning" system.


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven

Having a system that works would be equivalent to knowing where the goose that lays the golden eggs lays those eggs.

If I knew where the goose laid its golden eggs I wouldn't tell anyone.

Quote: Beethoven9th

So you're flaking out already??? LOL!

How come this doesn't surprise me?


For the same reason you continue to waste our time by talking about this "winning" system.

So let me get this straight.

You tell me my so called "System" doesn't work in fact you stress it out that it 100% can't work and also Knowing I Carry a $1000.00 with me at the casino, you want me to prove myself by flying to vegas and meeting up with someone I don't even know.

If you don't mind me asking. How old are you? (I'm guessing your very young)

Do you think i'm f'ing stupid or something.

you are very close to being the next member I block in my threads. Sorry man, Grow up.

So, you find a trend and surf it?

Quote: rainman

Having a system that works would be equivalent to knowing where the goose that lays the golden eggs lays those eggs.

If I knew where the goose laid its golden eggs I wouldn't tell anyone.

If the goose had an "endless supply" of Golden eggs and you knew where to find them, would you not want to tell your friends?

Quote: MrV

So, you find a trend and surf it?

Please explain your comment?

Isn't your system to have one bet banker, and the other player, and wait for a trend / streak to develop?

Once the trend / streak ends, you walk.

Yes?

Quote: varmenti

If the goose had an "endless supply" of Golden eggs and you knew where to find them, would you not want to tell your friends?

The more people stealing the gooses eggs the more likely it is for the goose to find out and take measures to stop the loses.

Quote: gr8varmenti

So let me get this straight.

You tell me my so called "System" doesn't work in fact you stress it out that it 100% can't work and also Knowing I Carry a $1000.00 with me at the casino, you want me to prove myself by flying to vegas and meeting up with someone I don't even know.

So let me get this straight...you announce to the whole world that you're coming to Vegas and inviting people to watch you play, yet you get upset when someone from Vegas actually accepts your invitation?? *facepalm*

Quote: gr8varmenti

Do you think i'm f'ing stupid or something.

Do you really want me to answer that?

Quote: gr8varmenti

you are very close to being the next member I block in my threads.

Cool.


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven

Let me guess, it has something to do with either doubling or fractional increase/decrease after a win/loss?

Quote: MrV

Isn't your system to have one bet banker, and the other player, and wait for a trend / streak to develop?

Once the trend / streak ends, you walk.

Yes?

Yes, as a run develops the runner will compliment the partner with one winning chip after every win and increasing your running bet by at least 100% the first win and 30-50% each additional win and never having to play a full Baccarat shoe.
having low income goals increases the chances of profit margin for every session played.

example: 10 tables played for 20 hands each show a very good win rate when simply trying for a small 200.00 win or a limited streak of 6 or better. making $100.00 per table is even easier showing a loss only 20% of the time.

so 200.00 or after streak ends, whatever comes first.

Quote: Rorry

Let me guess, it has something to do with either doubling or fractional increase/decrease after a win/loss?

No, it's even more ridiculous. lol

Quote: Rorry

Let me guess, it has something to do with either doubling or fractional increase/decrease after a win/loss?

never a decrease. No negative betting or Martingale. always positive increase as you win till you achieve your goal or streak ends at 6 or more.

Quote: varmenti

never a decrease. No negative betting or Martingale. always positive increase as you win till you achieve your goal or streak ends at 6 or more.

You're gona have a hell of a day when lady variance kicks your butt.

Quote: Rorry

You're gona have a hell of a day when lady variance kicks your butt.

that's when Bet loss limiting comes in to play. those who play a full shoe will in fact encounter many obstacles.
Hey it's a couple hundred bucks a shoe x 10 -15 shoes per day at 20 hands limit per shoe. Variance is there but easy to overcome.

how have you managed to keep the fact that you win constantly from the casino???????

Quote: ontariodealer

how have you managed to keep the fact that you win constantly from the casino???????

Easy. He doesn't win...LOL

Quote: varmenti

I make money everyday at the Casino (yes, I say that in Confidence) but I am unable to Prove myself to this forum.

Quote: varmenti

that's when Bet loss limiting comes in to play. those who play a full shoe will in fact encounter many obstacles.
Hey it's a couple hundred bucks a shoe x 10 -15 shoes per day at 20 hands limit per shoe. Variance is there but easy to overcome.

Well, which is it? Do you make money every day, or do you sometimes suck it up and leave with a loss?

Quote: varmenti

So let me get this straight.

You tell me my so called "System" doesn't work in fact you stress it out that it 100% can't work and also Knowing I Carry a $1000.00 with me at the casino, you want me to prove myself by flying to vegas and meeting up with someone I don't even know.
.

WHOOO........lets just back up here a second guys, take a breath and not kill this before it gets started.

Varmenti let me address a few of your concerns. First I have apologized already for busting your balls, after you posted a few pics and I even defended you.
the fact that you would be walking around with 1k is not something you should concerned about, I will have at least 5 times that amount.

As far as the the not knowing me part, I have been in Vegas since 1990, I will be glad to give you my full name and address prior to meeting, along with links my Facebook. I have meet with a few members on this forum that will vouch for me. I even do business with some of them, I know some higher profile gamblers including TV poker players who would also vouch for me as well. Not a gambler, but a well known gaming Las Vegas attorney most here know( bob nersesian) can confirm I have been dealing with gambling situations since the 90's. Even people who don't like me will tell you I'm no con or thief, Pigowdan may disagree

I have had hundreds of thousands of dollars of other peoples money in my possession with no recourse if I were to just walk away. Me and my BEAUTIFUL girl friend, meet up and played craps with Ahigh, who in fact I occasionally argued and disagreed with his methods many times on this forum, He is still alive with his wallet intact (: I think he will confirm I conducted myself in a proper manner(so did he), I even treated him to dinner and we had a nice chat,note: to Ahigh haters believe it or not, I think I did most of the talking. So I think your safe.

If I'm a no show, then no harm no foul. I cant even confirm since it's so far away I will even be in town at the time your here, most likely I will be. If I were to meet up with you I will come with and open mind, I wont mock your system or get in your way. I think you would enjoy my company like others have, I may even be able to show you the best deals for your money and the places to play, I could even get you some dinners, show tickets or rooms. I may play some baccarat along side of you (for fun), Perhaps you could show me a few tricks. I will not steal your system or expose anything you ask me not to... If your system fails miserably, I will only except LARGE amounts of hush money(;

Don't let other people say what will and what wont prove your system. Even mathematically proven systems there will always be someone out there that will preach against it, even the most respected successful people have haters. Will this prove 100% your system works? probably not but who knows. It will certainly bring you one step closer. will you get some more respect? With out a doubt

I say don't back out if given the chance, it just gives people the chance to say all the pics you posted and everything you claimed is all phony and staged. Any one can retrieve their mothers life savings toss it around the house and claim they won it all on 6/5 jacks or better without ever hitting A Royal.

Has any body or will anybody test this system against Zumma? That would be a big step forward,

Quote: ontariodealer

how have you managed to keep the fact that you win constantly from the casino???????

while in the Casino with your starting bank roll, you will win some and also lose some, End result is based on when you leave the Casino and count your Bankroll. If its more than you're a winner. I expect some days to lose too, but the method I've been using keeps my bankroll growing instead of shrinking.

While in the Casino, I lose about 75% of the shoes I play, but for some strange reason beyond belief I show a profit when counting my Bankroll on the way home.

If you deal baccarat, you will see me and my wife in action, and you will "Shake your head" to the silliness of how we play. And you will also see us lose about 75% of the time.

Quote: DeMango

Has any body or will anybody test this system against Zumma? That would be a big step forward,

weather you play 100 hands, 1000 or 10,000 hands, you will lose 75% of the time.
but by increasing and following my methods you will show Profit in the other 25% covering your losses and sending you home Ahead.

but this is the part where I need to know how I can prove my earnings.

Quote: varmenti

but this is the part where I need to know how I can prove my earnings.

Wait! You want to prove your earnings or you want to prove your system? Proving past earnings seems difficult to do, unless it has been filmed (which I doubt). If the source of money was so easy to prove, there would be less money-laundering and less jobs for the IRS.

Proving a system requires that you first explain what the objective of the system is. Reading your posts, it seems to be that you claim, sometimes, winning more often, other times, winning more money than losing. A system is "worthless" only if it pretends to reverse the edge on the casino. Maybe your system is, like all systems, just trying to modify variances. In that case, you may have experienced a run of luck -- this does not "prove" anything.

Proof is mathematical. We have proved that your (or any) system does not have a positive expectation. Not enough? Well, tell us which criteria you want be proved?

I just read this thread for the first time.

It might be useful to read other threads where folks talk about their winning systems before starting your own.

Maybe start with EvenBob's first post on the forum.

These threads tend to all go the same way, so you might save yourself the time and effort of becoming part of the machine that is destroying the gambler's hope of having a winning betting system.

Or, on the flip side, you could eventually become the forum's newest replacement for EvenBob who loves to do to others what was done to him (dosing with reality for how the house edge always overpowers you with enough events to do so).

Quote: varmenti

I have a winning system but I don't know how to properly prove it.
I'm new to the online Vegas forum thing so Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Excellent!
winning for how long?
since 1996 IIRC

Why do you want to prove it... to anyone
other than you and your wife?
a mathematical proof is easy.
just state the exact system and each step taken within that system.

The impossible part to prove is
the bet selection and/or bet amount based on a
hunch,
a feeling
or your lucky dice roll - to name a few lucky charms,

say,
you see your wife checking out another guy (not a lucky charm)
and/or
you notice a hot blonde walk by (a lucky charm)
at the same time you are ready to make your next bet,
especially when she sits down next to you.

thanks for sharing
Continued Good Luck

Quote: Ahigh

I just read this thread for the first time.

It might be useful to read other threads where folks talk about their winning systems before starting your own.

Maybe start with EvenBob's first post on the forum.

These threads tend to all go the same way, so you might save yourself the time and effort of becoming part of the machine that is destroying the gambler's hope of having a winning betting system.

Or, on the flip side, you could eventually become the forum's newest replacement for EvenBob who loves to do to others what was done to him (dosing with reality for how the house edge always overpowers you with enough events to do so).

intersting I will have to do that i have yet to read most of his 11k posts I just fireguard the first ones were more just more nonsense like the other 10999 (:

Quote: kubikulann

Wait! You want to prove your earnings or you want to prove your system? Proving past earnings seems difficult to do, unless it has been filmed (which I doubt). If the source of money was so easy to prove, there would be less money-laundering and less jobs for the IRS.

Proving a system requires that you first explain what the objective of the system is. Reading your posts, it seems to be that you claim, sometimes, winning more often, other times, winning more money than losing. A system is "worthless" only if it pretends to reverse the edge on the casino. Maybe your system is, like all systems, just trying to modify variances. In that case, you may have experienced a run of luck -- this does not "prove" anything.

Proof is mathematical. We have proved that your (or any) system does not have a positive expectation. Not enough? Well, tell us which criteria you want be proved?

Both Methods and earnings.

Quote: varmenti

Both Methods and earnings.

Methods are pretty easy to prove or disprove. Baccarat is a game that is designed to have a consistent house edge on every hand. Does your system do anything at all to reduce or eliminate the house edge on any hand?

Varmenti I see you are active today, you have yet to address my post which is unusual for you.

Quote: AxelWolf

intersting I will have to do that i have yet to read most of his 11k posts I just fireguard the first ones were more just more nonsense like the other 10999 (:

Pretty much the same nonsense. Try to get under my
skin all you like, I've been posting on forums for 20
years, it's been tried to no avail by people far
smarter and far wiser than you. But go for it, your
time to waste.

Quote: rdw4potus

Methods are pretty easy to prove or disprove. Baccarat is a game that is designed to have a consistent house edge on every hand. Does your system do anything at all to reduce or eliminate the house edge on any hand?

No because if there was such a way, the casino would remove the game.

your missing the boat about my methods.

has nothing to do with house edge,

here we go again with the merry-go-round comments having to repeat myself for the umpteenth time.

Let's just assume it doesn't work and be done with it.

but I put a smiley face.

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Quote: gr8varmenti

has nothing to do with house edge

Let me see if I have this straight...it has "nothing to do with the house edge", yet you claim you can beat the house edge?? Huh?

Quote: gr8varmenti

Let's just assume it doesn't work and be done with it.

Then why do you keep talking about it?


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven

Quote: varmenti

No because if there was such a way, the casino would remove the game.

your missing the boat about my methods.

has nothing to do with house edge,

here we go again with the merry-go-round comments having to repeat myself for the umpteenth time.

Let's just assume it doesn't work and be done with it.

If every bet has a house edge, then the sum of the bets has a house edge. So your expectation is to lose over time. You're right, we can assume (actually, we just proved) that it doesn't work and be done with it.

Quote: Beethoven9th

Then why do you keep talking about it?

Exactly. That's the 14th time he said forget it, yet
here he comes again. He doesn't understand
variance, he hasn't played enough hands yet.
He will eventually, sooner rather than later. Then
comes that long ride home, talking to yourself
the whole way..

Quote: On 9/29, gr8varmenti said:

Hello, My name is Vince, I'm a 45yr old Professional Gambler since 1996

Quote: But on 9/21, gr8varmenti said:

I've been winning consistently at the game of Baccarat for a few months

gr8varmenti,

So which one is it? Have you been winning since 1996, or have you been winning for "a few months"?


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven

Quote: rdw4potus

If every bet has a house edge, then the sum of the bets has a house edge.

agree exactly.
and that HE (EV of many bets) is most times just the center of the distribution over N bets,
-EV +/- what?

Quote: rdw4potus

So your expectation is to lose over time.

Question is:
How much time is needed to be 100% certain that everyone that plays against a HE bet WILL lose?
Making 1 trillion bets?
1 billion bets
1 million bets and STILL showing a net profit?
IS it possible with odds better than oh, 2^1 million

Adding a positive progression (betting more after a win) adds variance.
Players win because of variance
(they can also lose more because of it compared to flat betting against a HE bet)
and NOT bet selection and money management says one camp.

Oh no
not that again
ain't true says the other camp

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