Baccarat Partner Betting
Quote: DeMangoThis is all bullying plain and simple. Did the same to Ahigh, with mostly the same bullies. When will admin start handing out vacations? What does Mission say?
Mission is working on it to fix the identity issue right now. If this Gr8player did something to upset members, I don't feel I should take the blame for it. and if it is true that the members (All jokes aside) think I upset them, I don't feel Other members should suffer.
Yet, many people have explained to you why it CAN'T be done. Your not the only one that can't explain how to beat a negative game like Baccarat, NO ONE HAS nor can they.Quote: varmentiI'm just not good enough to explain it all I guess.
Doesn't it strike you funny, that guys with real winning systems can explain in detail, how and why, what they are doing works and most people seem to get it?
Quote: AxelWolfYet, many people have explained to you why it CAN'T be done. Your not the only one that can't explain how to beat a negative game like Baccarat, NO ONE HAS nor can they.
Doesn't it strike you funny, that guys with real winning systems can explain in detail, how and why, what they are doing works and most people seem to get it?
AxelWolf, I have somewhat of a photographic memory and recognize patterns, The Partner method has been created by me in just over a couple of months. I don't know how to define the math behind it, all I know is the Hundred Dollar Bills keep Growing day after day at the casinos. I try to structure everything on this one thread but so many members clog it up with garbage and I get side tracked with answering questions.
What I have to do is keep playing the partner method for a year and then re-introduce it to Bac players who care to listen. Would be nice to have a new method working full time and also have a few Smart minded people behind it to assist with explaining it more Professionally rather than publicize it in Public forum.
There is just alot more to it than just a simple betting pattern. I wish I could explain it more professionally. Obviously the brand new car and the diamond rings don't do anything and my Hundred dollar bills and publicized winning don't do it either.
Quote: AxelWolfYet, many people have explained to you why it CAN'T be done. Your not the only one that can't explain how to beat a negative game like Baccarat, NO ONE HAS nor can they.
Doesn't it strike you funny, that guys with real winning systems can explain in detail, how and why, what they are doing works and most people seem to get it?
AxelWolf, I have somewhat of a photographic memory and recognize patterns, The Partner method has been created by me in just over a couple of months. I don't know how to define the math behind it, all I know is the Hundred Dollar Bills keep Growing day after day from the casinos. I try to structure everything on this one thread but so many members clog it up with garbage and I get side tracked with answering questions.
What I have to do is keep playing the partner method for a year and then re-introduce it to Bac players who care to listen. Would be nice to have a new method working full time and also have a few Smart minded people behind it to assist with explaining it more Professionally rather than publicize it in Public forum.
There is just alot more to it than just a simple betting pattern. I wish I could explain it more professionally. Obviously the brand new car and the diamond rings don't do anything and my Hundred dollar bills and publicized winning don't do it either.
Quote: DeMangoThis is all bullying plain and simple. Did the same to Ahigh, with mostly the same bullies. When will admin start handing out vacations? What does Mission say?
I'm going to ask that we cease and desist this gr8player/varmenti is the same person thing.
I've looked into the IP Addresses and believe I have implicit consent from Varmenti to post my findings:
The IP address associated with Varmenti's account does not appear to be a proxy IP address, matches up to Niagara Falls, Canada side, and is associated with a well-known Cable/Internet service provider on that side of the border. IOW, the IP address he is using is pretty much definitely not a proxy.
I'm not going to go into any details on GR8Player's IP Address, because he has not given me permission to do so, except to say that the IP address, or addresses, I have for him that are known do not match Varmenti's IP address, nor do they link up to the same locality.
Again, I have absolutely no reason to believe, as an Administrator of this Forum, that these two Members are the same physical person. In fact, given how, "Clean," Varmenti's IP Address is (while making no comment one way or the other on Gr8's, again, no permission) it is pretty clear that Varmenti has done exactly nothing to hide where he is accessing the Internet from.
Where is the bullying? Razzing possibly, Something one should expect when making outrageous claims with ZERO math to back it up. I can deal with no math, just prove it. He has knowingly painted a big pink target on his back. When the arrows get close, he can't complain everyone is shooting at him.Quote: DeMangoThis is all bullying plain and simple. Did the same to Ahigh, with mostly the same bullies. When will admin start handing out vacations? What does Mission say?
He waves the white flag but then tosses it right back at us.
Quote: AxelWolfWhere is the bullying? Razzing possibly, Something one should expect when making outrageous claims with ZERO math to back it up. I can deal with no math, just prove it. He has knowingly painted a big pink target on his back. When the arrows get close, he can't complain everyone is shooting at him.
He waves the white flag but then tosses it right back at us.
Ok AxelWolf, What Math do you want to know?
ask 1 question at a time?
I'm pretty sure i'll have the correct answer for you.
And I am not interested in 25 posts @ from various posters that are basically a broken record, saying the same thing over and over. Just like what was done to Ahigh.
Mission: You gave the great one a seven day for not saying anything new. Please deal accordingly with this thread.
OK but can you ask him to stop answering for Gr8player?Quote: Mission146I'm going to ask that we cease and desist this gr8player/varmenti is the same person thing.
I've looked into the IP Addresses and believe I have implicit consent from Varmenti to post my findings:
The IP address associated with Varmenti's account does not appear to be a proxy IP address, matches up to Niagara Falls, Canada side, and is associated with a well-known Cable/Internet service provider on that side of the border. IOW, the IP address he is using is pretty much definitely not a proxy.
I'm not going to go into any details on GR8Player's IP Address, because he has not given me permission to do so, except to say that the IP address, or addresses, I have for him that are known do not match Varmenti's IP address, nor do they link up to the same locality.
Again, I have absolutely no reason to believe, as an Administrator of this Forum, that these two Members are the same physical person. In fact, given how, "Clean," Varmenti's IP Address is (while making no comment one way or the other on Gr8's, again, no permission) it is pretty clear that Varmenti has done exactly nothing to hide where he is accessing the Internet from.
I would like to say that him not hiding his IP location or anything dose not mean anything. He dose not have to hide his information only GR8 dose. I would be willing to bet you I could create an alter ego and make as many posts as Varm and gr8 and you would never be able to detect it.
Quote: DeMango
Mission: You gave the great one a seven day for not saying anything new. Please deal accordingly with this thread.
It's a thread, though. Gr8Player was free to post whatever he wanted about Baccarat in any of the (four or five) threads he had created to that point, he just wasn't free to post any new threads having to do with his system until such time that he planned to divulge the entirety of his system, with specificity, so that it could be meaningfully countered from a mathematical standpoint.
With respect to Varmenti, he not only has specified his system in a way that can be challenged, but he is also a more active poster than Gr8Player on the whole in the sense that he has activity in threads other than exclusively threads created by himself. However, if he created constant threads dealing with substantially the same subject matter, as Gr8Player did, he would certainly receive a request to stop from me, as well.
Quote: AxelWolfOK but can you ask him to stop answering for Gr8player?
I would like to say that him not hiding his IP location or anything dose not mean anything. He dose not have to hide his information only GR8 dose. I would be willing to bet you I could create an alter ego and make as many posts as Varm and gr8 and you would never be able to detect it.
There's no reason to believe that Gr8 is doing anything to hide his location, either, though, is the thing. And, again, they post from totally different locales.
What I mean is, Gr8's is also a seemingly legit IP.
Explain more detail about the Keno glitch you claimed to play I explained in a post earlier what details I wanted.Quote: varmentiOk AxelWolf, What Math do you want to know?
ask 1 question at a time?
I'm pretty sure i'll have the correct answer for you.
How many spots were you playing?
How many spots did you hit when your numbers were repeating.
how often were numbers repeating?
Quote: DeMangoI am also interested in the math. But no one has shown the results of real play except the OP. I would be satisfied with the results of 600-1000 shoes as per one of the tester books.
And I am not interested in 25 posts @ from various posters that are basically a broken record, saying the same thing over and over. Just like what was done to Ahigh.
Mission: You gave the great one a seven day for not saying anything new. Please deal accordingly with this thread.
DeMango, I'm sure I can slap together some Calculation Program using Microsoft Excel and Visual Basic Tools, but the data I receive from my day to day Baccarat playing can only give me approx 10-20 shoes per day, Off the top of my head in the couple months of utilizing this method of play, I'd have to say that 75% of the shoes will lose and 25% will win any day, all day, everyday.
Calculations Need to Include the "0" bet in the progression in order to produce the most accurate results.
also taking into consideration what I Physically see in the Casino as far as Runs / Streaks.
there is 70 hands in a shoe and therefore I have to include the possibilities that 70Bankers / Players are Possible, but Highly unlikely to show in 100% of the shoes dealt.
A more realistic result would be what I physically see and that is to date 18 players and 23 Bankers. and I see that approx 1% of the time.
I also have to factor in the average run of Three B / P in a row per shoe.
so far I have an average of 9.
I also factor in runs of 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 as these are seen on a regular basis approx 85% of the time in every shoe.
Math is one thing, but Physically playing is also another. These are Two parts.
OK but can you ask him to stop answering for Gr8player?Quote: Mission146There's no reason to believe that Gr8 is doing anything to hide his location, either, though, is the thing. And, again, they post from totally different locales.
What I mean is, Gr8's is also a seemingly legit IP.
Quote: AxelWolfOK but can you ask him to stop answering for Gr8player?
I agree that it's certainly polite not to answer something specifically directed to an individual other than yourself, but at the same time, doing so doesn't violate any of the Rules of this Forum under any interpretation that I can think of.
Quote: AxelWolfExplain more detail about the Keno glitch you claimed to play I explained in a post earlier what details I wanted.
How many spots were you playing?
How many spots did you hit when your numbers were repeating.
how often were numbers repeating?
I played keno back in 1996-97 up until the life cycle end back in 2003. The game is constructed as a very small program,
the numbers follow the same RNG as any other game.
The Keno I Played back then was a Part in a Multi touch Bally Midway machine but the Keno itself is still a very small program.
Numbers can be any amount up to 10. My favorite was 8 numbers on a 25 cent machine with Max bet. For doing Hand pays.
to simplify things I use a straight line to start and then recognized patterns EX: multiple sets of 3 numbers in my head creating a picture and then repeat after a Hand pay reset.
Similar combinations repeat often after a hand pay reset almost emulating a glitch in the programming.
Keep in mind these machines have reached the 8 year life cycle and were removed from the casino. and the new machines that have new upgrades to reset a machine after every pull deems this glitch to be out dated.
I've tried on other manufacture machines but the trick only seams to work on Bally Midway 25 cent. I've tried dollar machines but the program is different.
Back then I believe the Hopper Trigger also was a factor in assisting the glitch to activate much larger wins more frequently.
Quote: varmentiI don't want to share at this time but I will include at a later date.
Quote: varmentiMan this is all you need for now, enjoy.Quote: GWAELOL then GTFO
You proclaim you have a system and now you are saying there is more to it but you don't want to share. I was half on your side until you fed us all this line of bull.
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Quote: Beethoven9thHow are we supposed to learn about his system?
what i mean by that is factors
if this then do this
if this then go back to this
if this end session
if loss / Gain at 20 end session
if ongoing run, end continue
This method is like a computer program
One needs to know what to do when to do it as it changes with each table you sit at.
for those doing the math, do not need to know the additional stuff until they get the math right from the information provided.
The Partner method is not its own entity, it has many other elements that are needed for this to work.
a Betting progression fed thru an automated Calculation program will serve no Justice without including the other factors.
You always gave such good details on other things yet once again, you still seem no not give details on this.Quote: varmentiI played keno back in 1996-97. the game is constructed as a very small program,
the numbers follow the same RNG as any other game.
The Keno I Played back then was a Part in a Multi touch Bally Midway machine but the Keno itself is still a very small program.
Numbers can be any amount up to 10. My favorite was 8 numbers on a 25 cent machine with Max bet. For doing Hand pays.
to simplify things I use a straight line to start and then recognized patterns EX: multiple sets of 3 numbers in my head creating a picture and then repeat after a Handpay reset.
Similar combinations repeat often after a handpay reset almost emulating a glitche in the programming.
Keep in mind these machines have reached the 8 year lifecycle and were removed from the casino. and the new machines that have new upgrades to reset a machine after every pull deems this glitch to be out dated.
I've tried on other manufacture machines but the trick only seams to work on Bally Midway 25 cent. I've tried dollar machines but the program is different.
Let me give you an example of what im asking. By explaining a FAKE glitch and how it was exploited "however its not real nor did this happen". After I fed a combination of 1 coin then 2 coins and tapped the change light on and off 3 times and then touched the cash out button 4 times, every fourth play after that the numbers 1 ,2 3, 4 came up... so I played a five spot with the numbers 1 ,2, 3, 4 and 11 with 4 coins bet. 5 out of five paid $810... if I hit it 4 out of 5, it paid 42 coins... 3 out of 5 payed 2 coins... I knew the first 4 numbers already, so I only needed to guess 1 number out of 76 with the remaining 16 balls left. This would happen approx 1 in 3 plays My profit each time was over $830. I went to 5 different casinos each day and I made 250k on the keno... but lost it all back on my old baccarat system.
Quote: DeMangoI am also interested in the math. But no one has shown the results of real play except the OP.
I have stated that I will play and post results as time permits. While I am inclined to believe that 500 sessions isn't enough, it is a significant undertaking for one individual to actually play and then post the results of each session.
Please provide your definition of "real play".
Wanna go play the Baccarat game provided by this site?
It's a fair random game, it's quick, and the accounting and play history are done automatically. Most importantly, it's accurate, and the only mistakes to be made are those concerning bet size and selection.
Want "real" cards?
I have the cards, shoe, cheques, commission markers, and layout. No automatic shuffler, but everything else needed for a "real" game.
How long do you want to wait for results? It has been stated that the human brain is the ultimate computer, but my "computer" is prone to shut down at will. In other words, I am no different than any other human- I am not perfect, and I am not immune to making errors. As I pride myself on detail, the "real" game is slower so as to minimize the errors.
Don't worry, I will state which sessions have been played on the layout should others wish to double-check the accuracy of session results.
Quote: varmentiIt's 1:17am EST and I just got home, I'm not ignoring anyone. Give me a chance to settle.
Here are the 10 games I played at the Bac tables.
give these a try:
Start each shoe from Right to left. and just play upto the 20 hands limit unless there is a run or can't get on other tables.
Again, I have no problem with your progression itself, but the hedging to me is insanity.
In this photo I count over over 100 Banker results. This means that with your hedging every bet, you have given well over $125.00 away to the casino for free, for absolutely nothing. Giving away over 5 units! (When you are betting more on Player and still put a unit ($25) on Banker, you are giving away $1.25 when Banker comes out. When you are betting more on Banker and put a unit ($25) on Player, you still give away $1.25 when Banker comes out because the 1 losing unit on P ($25) is not equal to the winning unit on B ($23.75). I don't understand why you do this when you can just reduce your main bet by 1 unit ($25) and continue with your progression.
Can you explain why you would rather hedge and give away $1.25 every Banker result, than just bet 1 unit less and continue with your progression without hedging?
(Sidenote: Again, I must preface: This is Varmenti's thread, and I generally don't like to get involved with other member's threads. He posted his method, and he posted his success with it, I say "more power to him", and I wish him nothing but continued successes. Please pardon my indulgence, Varmenti, as I, truly, mean no harm nor disrespect.) That said, onto my tweaks:
1.) The net bet. Simply subtract your "low bet" from your "high bet", and place the difference in the corresponding circle on the table. It'll save boat-loads of needless comm costs over the long run.
2.) The "wait". Some patience would go a long way here. Why let the singles and doubles kill you? Wouldn't it be much more prudent to ride them out (read: let them pass) and await some streakier portions of the shoe? Sure it would. It bears mentioning that those singles and doubles are the most prominent "streaks" (or should I say "non-streaks") that you'll encounter in most shoes. But that takes "shoe experience".....I think Varmenti chose his "easier" path for a reason, and I do understand Varmenti as I read him.
3.) The "new top". I simply could not envision myself as "run chasing". For ex.: Banker side has been stopping at streaks of only 3? Fine. Ride that side only to the 3-hole, and then use your "no-bet" option, awaiting the next result. Should that Banker side hit the 4th hole, it cost you but one winning bet, because you can now resume your streak betting at that "new top". But all those times where that 3rd Bank remains as the ceiling for that side, you'll find yourself saving a loss..and a "pressed-up" loss, at that.
Just my two cents...sorry, three sense. Three common sense, as I see it.
Again, Varmenti, I wish you all the very best of it. You deserve it. You're a good man.....that, to me, is rather obvious. If I didn't think so, I would not take the time respond inside of your thread. Good luck, man.
Quote: varmentiyou should have made 250.00 profit from this shoe minus the cheezy Bank commissions.
I did find a mistake, but when I fixed it I am only showing a $200 profit. Can you look at my spreadsheet and make a correction. Also, you really need to stop hedging. You seem to be an intelligent person but it is just foolish to give away so much money in commission. Take a look at my table, on the right you will see the way that you play and on the left it is the same thing but by reducing each bet 1 unit. You end up at the same place at the end but you have paid a lot less in commissions. If you are saving $15 per shoe on commissions that would be $150 a night. $300 a day, $2100 a week, $8400 a month, $100k a year. JUST IN COMMISSIONS, are you still going to consider that peanuts or whatever you called it the other day.
Quote: varmentiYes mathematically you can not beat them, but in reality you Can and will.
To Varmenti, mathematics are not reality. That says it all!!
Quote: varmentiI have all the elements and that's why It works for me.
if you (...) want (...) perfection, I'm right here.
Some years ago, I had fun reading a jokes website called "Making fun of morons since 1863". The owner was bashing morons and they were coming back to receive more! Appalling at human stupidity, but very funny. Well, this thread reminds me of it.
I am just pissed at those who encourage varmenti in his delusions. What are they playing at? Are they casino owners lulling him into parting with his money? Or just one moron encouraging another?
Quote: kubikulannI am just pissed at those who encourage varmenti in his delusions.
They encourage him because he connects with them. If you go to any casino and talk to the patrons or employees, you'll encounter all the same thought processes. But varmenti has elevated them to a level of purity rarely achieved, and that's an accomplishment.
Teacher, why do you continue to ignore AxelWolf? He simply wants to observe your greatness, for YOU are the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat. (And I can vouch for that!)Quote: gr8playerAgain, Varmenti, I wish you all the very best of it. You deserve it. You're a good man.....that, to me, is rather obvious. If I didn't think so, I would not take the time respond inside of your thread. Good luck, man.
Quote: AxelWolfGr8player Im in AC i would like to watch you win some money.
Quote: gr8playerContinued good luck with your Bac play, Varmenti, and I am pleased to have made your acquaintance, my friend.
Quote: kubikulannI am just pissed at those who encourage varmenti in his delusions.
Have you taken the time and effort to even read the thread, kubikulann? Varmenti is stating that he is winning consistently with his posted method. Your posted response is tantamount to calling Varmenti a liar. That some members have a differing opinion than yours, kubikulann, should be of no consequence to you, now, should it?
Look, Varmenti is going to play Baccarat. That much appears clear, does it not? Some of us would prefer to assist him in his endeavors rather than denigrate him for them.
You've made your position rather clear, and included some crass name-calling in the process.
Methinks you've got a lot more to be embarrassed of than Varmenti does....
Quote: gr8playerHave you taken the time and effort to even read the thread, kubikulann? Varmenti is stating that he is winning consistently with his posted method. Your posted response is tantamount to calling Varmenti a liar. That some members have a differing opinion than yours, kubikulann, should be of no consequence to you, now, should it?
Look, Varmenti is going to play Baccarat. That much appears clear, does it not? Some of us would prefer to assist him in his endeavors rather than denigrate him for them.
You've made your position rather clear, and included some crass name-calling in the process.
Methinks you've got a lot more to be embarrassed of than Varmenti does....
Due respect, gr8player, your outrage annoyance is a little over the top.
Varmenti has created quite a lot of confusion as to the actual degree of his success, and he has posted bizarrely inaccurate advice on other games, not only within the Betting Systems subforum. It's no surprise that he is testing some patience here.
Quote: gr8playerMethinks you've got a lot more to be embarrassed of than Varmenti does....
Methinks my esteemed teacher should stop ignoring members who ask him questions.
Please write to AxelWolf, teacher! (Otherwise, people may begin to think you are rude, and I know that this isn't true!)
Quote: gr8playerMy "outrage", gpac1377. Hmm...outrage seems an embellishment on your part, my friend. I was merely responding to kubikulann's post as I saw fit, and I stand by said response.
Sorry, instead of "outrage," how about ... "annoyance."
that's okay, the casino's floor person takes it into consideration each and every time.Quote: varmentiI don't even take the Banker 5% into consideration, ...
Not at all!Quote: gr8playerHave you taken the time and effort to even read the thread, kubikulann? Varmenti is stating that he is winning consistently with his posted method. Your posted response is tantamount to calling Varmenti a liar. That some members have a differing opinion than yours, kubikulann, should be of no consequence to you, now, should it?
I call liars the people who know that what they say is false. I think varmenti is sincere. But I also think he is wrong: he sincerely believes wrong things. For example, that reality can somehow part away from mathematics.
My gripe is not at varmenti, I pity him. My gripe is at those who let him think he has a 'system'. This has nothing to do with opinion, just plain truth of facts.
Now everybody who gambles knows he is losing money on average. Let varmenti play all the baccarat he likes. Dont let him believe he is winning in the long run. Maybe he just had luck, maybe he is making it up. Not as a liar, maybe some delusion. I've seen it happen.
And, yes, I've read it all. Please grant me that he is hard to comprehend...
Quote: Beethoven9thTeacher, why do you continue to ignore AxelWolf? He simply wants to observe your greatness, for YOU are the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat. (And I can vouch for that!)
What, pray tell, is your stake in whether or not I respond to AxelWolf's request, Beethoven9th?
Could it be that you and AxelWolf are the very same person?
What's that you say, Beethoven9th? Ridiculous notion, right?
Well, my friend, welcome to my world around here, where I'm virtually surrounded by ridiculous notions from equally-ridiculous members.
Such as AxelWolf's request to "watch me win some money in AC".....
What sort of fool do you take me for?
I would never, ever allow such nonsense.
Quote: gr8playerWhat, pray tell, is your stake in whether or not I respond to AxelWolf's request, Beethoven9th?
Because I don't want you to appear rude to a potential student, my esteemed teacher. That's all. So will you give him the honor of addressing him and allowing him to observe your greatness in action?
I wish you the very best of it, teacher!
Quote: AxelWolfYou always gave such good details on other things yet once again, you still seem no not give details on this.
Let me give you an example of what im asking. By explaining a FAKE glitch and how it was exploited "however its not real nor did this happen". After I fed a combination of 1 coin then 2 coins and tapped the change light on and off 3 times and then touched the cash out button 4 times, every fourth play after that the numbers 1 ,2 3, 4 came up... so I played a five spot with the numbers 1 ,2, 3, 4 and 11 with 4 coins bet. 5 out of five paid $810... if I hit it 4 out of 5, it paid 42 coins... 3 out of 5 payed 2 coins... I knew the first 4 numbers already, so I only needed to guess 1 number out of 76 with the remaining 16 balls left. This would happen approx 1 in 3 plays My profit each time was over $830. I went to 5 different casinos each day and I made 250k on the keno... but lost it all back on my old baccarat system.
AxelWolf, Who Care's it can't be done any more. they took the machines out. It's pointless to discus this Keno thing in more detail.
Read this Article AxelWolf, http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/how_to_beat_keno.htm
Quote: gr8playerWhat, pray tell, is your stake in whether or not I respond to AxelWolf's request, Beethoven9th?
Could it be that you and AxelWolf are the very same person?
What's that you say, Beethoven9th? Ridiculous notion, right?
Well, my friend, welcome to my world around here, where I'm virtually surrounded by ridiculous notions from equally-ridiculous members.
Such as AxelWolf's request to "watch me win some money in AC".....
What sort of fool do you take me for?
I would never, ever allow such nonsense.
If you have something that works for you Gr8Player, then that's awesome. To me, I believe Casino's have a ton of money to go around and there are many casinos spread out everywhere, If I have a working method of play, I wouldn't mind to share it.
I read many of your posts Gr8Player and I just want to say on a personal level, I Think it's great that there are members like you on here to allow guys like me and maybe other members partake in Sharing some skills and experiences in the game of Baccarat.
and if ever you are in the Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada area, We can definitely hook up and both kick some butt at the Casino's here.
Quote: kubikulannNot at all!
I call liars the people who know that what they say is false. I think varmenti is sincere. But I also think he is wrong: he sincerely believes wrong things. For example, that reality can somehow part away from mathematics.
My gripe is not at varmenti, I pity him. My gripe is at those who let him think he has a 'system'. This has nothing to do with opinion, just plain truth of facts.
Now everybody who gambles knows he is losing money on average. Let varmenti play all the baccarat he likes. Dont let him believe he is winning in the long run. Maybe he just had luck, maybe he is making it up. Not as a liar, maybe some delusion. I've seen it happen.
And, yes, I've read it all. Please grant me that he is hard to comprehend...
kubikulann, you are welcome to sit in at my sessions at the Casino and watch me Lose money and make money all day long.
The key thing is that if one utilizes all the elements in my methods, anyone will leave the casino in profit, The only risk is fishing and hoping to catch 5 out of 20 tables in the time invested at the casino.
there are approx 90 shoes available in the time of play.
60 of those shoes are Bad bad bad and will eat you up and spit you out.
10 are super good giving you 1000.00 profit just from 1 table.
the other 20 are the ones I try to hope and catch from the beginning of each deal in hopes to catch a minimal run of 6 Bankers / Players.
knowing what I said above, it's still a gamble to shuffle yourself around to find the good tables because everything is completely random, there are still average patterns of the table plays allowing anyone to make 5 x 200 per day or even 1000 or more per day in profits.
also the other element is the Starting Bankroll. One never will need more than 1000.00 to play a full day of baccarat sessions.
Leave any extra money at home and limit your bankroll.
Also set a daily goal to make 1000.00 and if you hit that goal, make every effort to leave the casino and declare victory for the day.
Here is another tip for those trying these methods at home. Use 1000.00 in Green chips and use all the Grey / White chips in the Dealer tray to pay the winnings. at the end of the 10 shoes sessions, simply separate the whites in your stack to show your profits.
in some sessions you will lose your green chips but no worries you will get them back.
Quote: FleaStiffthat's okay, the casino's floor person takes it into consideration each and every time.
They only take the 5% commission if Banker wins. so if you win hand FleaStiff do you tip the dealer a dollar? In baccarat I don't tip, but even if they take the 5%, who cares I just won 100.00 and they took 5.00, it's peanuts and don't let this deter you from my methods of play.
Guys please not, that you only lose the 5% commission ONLY WHEN BANKER WINS.
If you bet on banker and PLAYER win, you can take back your commission.
Quote: EdgeLookerQuote: varmentiIt's 1:17am EST and I just got home, I'm not ignoring anyone. Give me a chance to settle.
Here are the 10 games I played at the Bac tables.
give these a try:
Start each shoe from Right to left. and just play upto the 20 hands limit unless there is a run or can't get on other tables.
Again, I have no problem with your progression itself, but the hedging to me is insanity.
In this photo I count over over 100 Banker results. This means that with your hedging every bet, you have given well over $125.00 away to the casino for free, for absolutely nothing. Giving away over 5 units! (When you are betting more on Player and still put a unit ($25) on Banker, you are giving away $1.25 when Banker comes out. When you are betting more on Banker and put a unit ($25) on Player, you still give away $1.25 when Banker comes out because the 1 losing unit on P ($25) is not equal to the winning unit on B ($23.75). I don't understand why you do this when you can just reduce your main bet by 1 unit ($25) and continue with your progression.
Can you explain why you would rather hedge and give away $1.25 every Banker result, than just bet 1 unit less and continue with your progression without hedging?
EdgeLooker, you need to play the games to understand. Every hand won after two compliments the other player as a free chip, the betting of both sides covers the "Backbone line (The Top Line BPBPBPBPBP) as a form of buying in to the starting run" you have to play these shoes utilizing my methods of play in the "Partner Methods" to get your answer.
If anyone tries to figure this Partner method logically and in theory, your results will not be accurate.
Sit down at a table and play the game and record your results and measure your results with the Starting bank roll and over flow for that day to get your answer.
Quote: varmentiThey only take the 5% commission if Banker wins. so if you win hand FleaStiff do you tip the dealer a dollar? In baccarat I don't tip, but even if they take the 5%, who cares I just won 100.00 and they took 5.00, it's peanuts and don't let this deter you from my methods of play.
!!!!! 5% is not peanuts. 5% is plenty.
Quote:Guys please not, that you only lose the 5% commission ONLY WHEN BANKER WINS.
If you bet on banker and PLAYER win, you can take back your commission.
Yes... we know that. The point is, by hedge betting you are needlessly paying commission when you don't need to, and if your methods work, they work even better by not hedge betting. "The backbone" bet idea seems only to be the start point. As you have a winner and loser on every hand, starting at 0/0 would have the same effect as starting at 1/1, but with less exposure to the house, meaning your profits are higher.
I can't see a single situation (*) where hedging yourself/partner would increase your profit or decrease the loss. Everyone mentions it as a way to -improve your play-, ideas that you wanted to see. That's all. Lets say your system works (as you believe it does by the phat dollars). Here's a simple way to increase it's efficency. The backbone bet/top line bet seems to be holding you back a little.
(*) but please, show me where it makes a difference.
Quote:If anyone tries to figure this Partner method logically and in theory, your results will not be accurate.
Sit down at a table and play the game and record your results and measure your results with the Starting bank roll and over flow for that day to get your answer.
How does a casino make the difference in results than following along at home with the exact same results? How does following it logically not return the same result as in a casino? What is different with the environment? Why does the Mathematical model fail? What are the incorrect assumptions that means a home shuffled deck is -different- than a casino one?
Quote: varmentiIf you have something that works for you Gr8Player, then that's awesome. To me, I believe Casino's have a ton of money to go around and there are many casinos spread out everywhere, If I have a working method of play, I wouldn't mind to share it.
I read many of your posts Gr8Player and I just want to say on a personal level, I Think it's great that there are members like you on here to allow guys like me and maybe other members partake in Sharing some skills and experiences in the game of Baccarat.
and if ever you are in the Niagara Falls, Ontario Canada area, We can definitely hook up and both kick some butt at the Casino's here.
Hello, Varmenti. I trust all is well with you.
Yes, I've "something that works" for me, but my play is much more subjective than yours appears. That doesn't make it any better, my friend, just different.
As to "members like us", I'm afraid that we'll forever remain in the minority around here. And, frankly, I think that the admin has something to do with that, as well. Our threads/posts appear only in the "Betting Systems" and/or "Table Games" sections of this forum; I should think that any member clicking onto either section should have a reasonable idea of what they might be about to peruse. So any censorship appears, to me, anyway, as "misdirected" at best, and even discriminatory at worst.
What is it that people fear so very much around here when it comes to any Baccarat dialogue? This is, after all is said and done, a gaming forum, is it not? Isn't part of the reason people become members of sites such as these is to broaden their horizons? Learn something new and/or different....how each person utilizes said information is a personal matter....but where is the harm in the discussion and eventual dissemination of said information?
I just don't "get" this forum and many of its members. Their purpose to being a member here is, well, what, exactly? Is it everyone's goal to all think and act similarly? Where, pray tell, is the reward in that?
With the risk of being charged blasphemous, I would like to continue posting about how one might be better equipped to come away with the casino's dollars a lot more often than most...and be able to do so in a relatively consistent manner. In other words, I wish to retain my minority status, for I'm just fine right there.
...soap box mode off...
That's Ok. you may leave at anytime.
Quote: Buzzard" I just don't "get" this forum and many of its members. "
That's Ok. you may leave at anytime.
Not before we all get our piece of the payout for Mission successfully eating 100 Chicken McNuggets!
Quote: GWAEI did find a mistake, but when I fixed it I am only showing a $200 profit. Can you look at my spreadsheet and make a correction. Also, you really need to stop hedging. You seem to be an intelligent person but it is just foolish to give away so much money in commission. Take a look at my table, on the right you will see the way that you play and on the left it is the same thing but by reducing each bet 1 unit. You end up at the same place at the end but you have paid a lot less in commissions. If you are saving $15 per shoe on commissions that would be $150 a night. $300 a day, $2100 a week, $8400 a month, $100k a year. JUST IN COMMISSIONS, are you still going to consider that peanuts or whatever you called it the other day.
GWAE, it's 5% who cares man. that's negative thinking on your part.
instead try doing the math on the other 95% you win.
big deal you lose 5% of your winnings only when Banker wins. but when Banker wins, you get 95% and that's huge return coming from a 49 /51 game game of Chance.
Thats why this game only has 22 hands because your goal at each table is to make 200 or better. or leave plus or minus after 20 hands.
If you want to make more money simply play the single player way and make probably $500 from this same shoe.
Quote: gr8playerHello, Varmenti. I trust all is well with you.
Yes, I've "something that works" for me, but my play is much more subjective than yours appears. That doesn't make it any better, my friend, just different.
As to "members like us", I'm afraid that we'll forever remain in the minority around here. And, frankly, I think that the admin has something to do with that, as well. Our threads/posts appear only in the "Betting Systems" and/or "Table Games" sections of this forum; I should think that any member clicking onto either section should have a reasonable idea of what they might be about to peruse. So any censorship appears, to me, anyway, as "misdirected" at best, and even discriminatory at worst.
What is it that people fear so very much around here when it comes to any Baccarat dialogue? This is, after all is said and done, a gaming forum, is it not? Isn't part of the reason people become members of sites such as these is to broaden their horizons? Learn something new and/or different....how each person utilizes said information is a personal matter....but where is the harm in the discussion and eventual dissemination of said information?
I just don't "get" this forum and many of its members. Their purpose to being a member here is, well, what, exactly? Is it everyone's goal to all think and act similarly? Where, pray tell, is the reward in that?
With the risk of being charged blasphemous, I would like to continue posting about how one might be better equipped to come away with the casino's dollars a lot more often than most...and be able to do so in a relatively consistent manner. In other words, I wish to retain my minority status, for I'm just fine right there.
...soap box mode off...
Hello gr8player, I had to read your post a couple times to understand what you're saying and you are very correct. the thread about baccarat should be in its own Gaming Category and not just in Betting systems in general.
Maybe if the admin made a "Baccarat sub category in the Table Games section, with my posts or even yours may have been taken more seriously.
I try to ignore many of the non related posts in hopes to find other Baccarat Players on here who like to also share in their methods and styles of play. Together we can learn alot.
It's the content of your asinine posts, not the category . DUH !
Quote: thecesspit!!!!! 5% is not peanuts. 5% is plenty.
Yes... we know that. The point is, by hedge betting you are needlessly paying commission when you don't need to, and if your methods work, they work even better by not hedge betting. "The backbone" bet idea seems only to be the start point. As you have a winner and loser on every hand, starting at 0/0 would have the same effect as starting at 1/1, but with less exposure to the house, meaning your profits are higher.
I can't see a single situation (*) where hedging yourself/partner would increase your profit or decrease the loss. Everyone mentions it as a way to -improve your play-, ideas that you wanted to see. That's all. Lets say your system works (as you believe it does by the phat dollars). Here's a simple way to increase it's efficency. The backbone bet/top line bet seems to be holding you back a little.
(*) but please, show me where it makes a difference.
How does a casino make the difference in results than following along at home with the exact same results? How does following it logically not return the same result as in a casino? What is different with the environment? Why does the Mathematical model fail? What are the incorrect assumptions that means a home shuffled deck is -different- than a casino one?
If anyone plays the Single Player way, they will notice many shoes deem to be much more profitable. (But Not Consistent)
winning / losing money in bulk is one thing = huge daily wins but many losing days, but
Winning and losing less, consistently, day after day and leaving with profits everyday is much more comfortable for me.
Maybe it's just a matter of preference.
Day after day for an average of 6-8 hrs I sit at the tables with many others buying in with 300-500.00 after a while I stop caring to see them all walk away losers and then i see them return at another table shortly after buying in with another bankroll and again I watch them lose. Hundreds of players all day long winning big at the runner tables but then I look at my wife and she notices they are down to their last hundred bucks as our chips remain at 500 each still after playing many tables hours later.
