billryan
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July 4th, 2020 at 3:39:20 PM permalink
Reports are some casinos are experiencing a drastic shortage of coins. Some ticket machines are rounding up to the nearest dollar.
Cash a ticket for $4.25 and they pay out $5. If you wander around the casino with a handful of $5, you can literally get a free spin on any three coin reel machine. Suppose you showed up with 200 $5 bills, and play two hundred machines once. The tickets for hands you lost will pay you $5, and winning tix will pay whatever you won. The only problem is cashing out two hundred tickets, one at a time.
I imagine the casino would kick you out when they catch you, but it would take some time.
I can't imagine this is illegal in any way, nor is it particularly profitable but I can see some people doing it.
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July 4th, 2020 at 3:50:18 PM permalink
WinStar is printing out vouchers for coin amounts. You have to take them to the cashier to get actual coins.
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July 4th, 2020 at 3:58:41 PM permalink
Do you know which casinos are doing this? Ive only heard those printing separate vouchers for the change.
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July 4th, 2020 at 4:31:37 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Do you know which casinos are doing this? Ive only heard those printing separate vouchers for the change.



Many casinos are eliminating change from the kiosks as it is expensive and time consuming to fill them. They print a second voucher for the change that you need to take to the cashier. My guess is many people don't bother and it gives extra profit to the casino and the state.
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July 4th, 2020 at 6:48:32 PM permalink
It is being discussed on vp.com.
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July 4th, 2020 at 9:25:10 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Reports are some casinos are experiencing a drastic shortage of coins. Some ticket machines are rounding up to the nearest dollar.
Cash a ticket for $4.25 and they pay out $5. If you wander around the casino with a handful of $5, you can literally get a free spin on any three coin reel machine. Suppose you showed up with 200 $5 bills, and play two hundred machines once. The tickets for hands you lost will pay you $5, and winning tix will pay whatever you won. The only problem is cashing out two hundred tickets, one at a time.
I imagine the casino would kick you out when they catch you, but it would take some time.
I can't imagine this is illegal in any way, nor is it particularly profitable but I can see some people doing it.



How do losing $5 bets pay $5?
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July 4th, 2020 at 9:33:31 PM permalink
Math.
You are inserting $5, not losing $5.
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July 4th, 2020 at 9:37:10 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

How do losing $5 bets pay $5?



They don't. But that's not relevant to this discussion.
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July 4th, 2020 at 11:20:41 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

How do losing $5 bets pay $5?



Put $5 in slot.

Make 75 cents wager.

If lose, cash out and go to redemption with $4.25 voucher which gives back $5 to avoid silver return.

Rinse repeat
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July 5th, 2020 at 4:33:58 AM permalink
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July 5th, 2020 at 6:37:08 AM permalink
This is actually real, I thought it was fake when I saw signs at the casino but now the gas station is griping about it. "They" don't want us using dirty money perhaps, but don't want to say it directly, the only other possibility.
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July 5th, 2020 at 10:06:57 AM permalink
Like many businesses, the U.S. Mints have been affected by the virus. On the other hand, with so many businesses shut for six weeks, you'd think there should be an excess of coins. If things return to business, I think we will start to see many shortages due to production being done for most of the quarter.
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July 5th, 2020 at 11:55:13 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Do you know which casinos are doing this? Ive only heard those printing separate vouchers for the change.



https://www.pennlive.com/business/2020/07/giant-supermarkets-limit-cash-transactions-citing-national-coin-shortage.html
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July 5th, 2020 at 6:53:00 PM permalink
Many businesses here in my area are only taking Debit or Credit cards .... no cash coins or bills

Local Walmart debit machine requires you to insert card and key in PIN and account type when they could upgrade to tap and go reducing the touching of keypads by everybody
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July 6th, 2020 at 6:32:25 AM permalink
I saw signs about the coin shortage posted at the checkout lanes in Lowe's over the weekend. Personally, I have been using a cc for every transaction at stores/restaurants since March, specifically to avoid handling coins/bills I would have gotten as change from a cash transaction.
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July 23rd, 2020 at 2:51:51 AM permalink
I've seen this no coin thing at 3 different casinos and none of them make it so you can use the tickets in machines. I have about 10 tickets inside my wallet and can't bother going up to the cashier, it's a humiliating position to be placed. I hear some old man is racking it up grabbing a bundle every day and making $20 in abandoned money. Just think what the state is keeping by doing nothing and having tons of TITOs expire.
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July 23rd, 2020 at 3:40:57 AM permalink
Quote: coilman

Many businesses here in my area are only taking...cards .... Walmart ...could upgrade to tap and go reducing the touching of keypads by everybody

In the UK many purchases are now Tap and Go/Contactless, the limit was raised from £30 to £45, and I think people are getting used to it. In Sweden the cashless society is even more advanced.

Some chains of casinos here use a membership card to pay out your fruit machine winnings (there is the issue that if you're not aware of that when you put in your money and then want to cash out you have to go to the cash desk to get one!) I guess the advantage is you just use it like a debit card and can go to the cash desk to cash-out or keep the bal;ance for your next visit.
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July 25th, 2020 at 1:03:49 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

<snip>Some chains of casinos here use a membership card to pay out your fruit machine winnings (there is the issue that if you're not aware of that when you put in your money and then want to cash out you have to go to the cash desk to get one!) I guess the advantage is you just use it like a debit card and can go to the cash desk to cash-out or keep the bal;ance for your next visit.



charliepatrick,

I've seen this on some cruise ships in the last decade or so: while you can put cash INTO the machines, the only way to cash OUT is by using your cruise card. The balance on the card can be used in another machine, or cashed out at the cashier.

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