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March 30th, 2018 at 2:04:29 AM permalink
White woman leaving bachelorette party at hard rock walked from garage elevator to her car passing a group of four black males. She ignored their inappropriate comments and upon entering her car one of the four yanked the door open and punched her repeatedly. Police released casino surveillance video of a suspect.

This sort of thing might happen in many parking garages which is why females like lighting and cameras and patrols. No word yet on why four males were allowed to loiter in the area.
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March 30th, 2018 at 2:29:02 AM permalink
Several photos of suspect released each of poor quality and lacking background height indicators or full face angles. Parking lot cameras utterly useless and largely focus on the driving lanes in the parking lot not the parked vehicles.

Camera angles would be of interest to a barber perhaps not much use for identifying individuals.

As we all know only some casino floor cameras are live monitored. Parking lot cameras never will be live monitored.

Local reports of loitering being common during concert events and of employees complaining about lack of escorts.
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March 30th, 2018 at 6:38:12 PM permalink
Oh my God, that poor woman! :( Just minding her own business and then being brutally attacked! I hope they catch those four scumbags! :(
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March 31st, 2018 at 7:01:51 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Oh my God, that poor woman! :( Just minding her own business and then being brutally attacked! I hope they catch those four scumbags! :(

The police are only looking for ONE of them, the man who repeatedly punched her mostly in the face. Its been a very "active" issue for the public and the police there for some reason. Cameras did not catch the fight as she was behind the wheel and cameras mainly cover the roadways and a foot or so on either side of it.

Again, these things can happen anywhere. Vigilance is needed.
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March 31st, 2018 at 7:01:51 AM permalink
I really do not want to malign any one particular casino.

These things are an ever present danger in areas of money or alcohol consumption.

Casino cameras will at most present evidence for the jury or the cops, it won't help the victim, not ever.

Rotating cameras in parking lots do a full rotation in about three minutes so there is always plenty of time for activity to take place totally off camera rather than merely out of focus.
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March 31st, 2018 at 7:06:23 AM permalink
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March 31st, 2018 at 10:20:25 AM permalink
Which Hard Rock? Tampa, Vegas, Biloxi?
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March 31st, 2018 at 10:23:49 AM permalink
This thread is in the Mississippi subsection, so it should be Biloxi.
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March 31st, 2018 at 10:25:38 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Which Hard Rock? Tampa, Vegas, Biloxi?

When in doubt, assume it happened in FLORIDA. Whenever you hear some of the strangest, weirdest, most brutal and things that make you say WTF they happen in Florida.
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March 31st, 2018 at 10:31:14 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

When in doubt, assume it happened in FLORIDA. Whenever you hear some of the strangest, weirdest, most brutal and things that make you say WTF they happen in Florida.


Here I thought it was Peoples Republic of California!

Edit: Biloxi Police Department on Facebook has it.
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March 31st, 2018 at 1:02:30 PM permalink
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When in doubt, assume it happened in FLORIDA. Whenever you hear some of the strangest, weirdest, most brutal and things that make you say WTF they happen in Florida.



I thought that was Henderson?
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March 31st, 2018 at 1:16:22 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

This thread is in the Mississippi subsection, so it should be Biloxi.

Yes. BILOXI. Sorry I was unclear. Three new Hard Rocks to open soon, pretty soon I'll have to be more precise or the Seminole's will scalp me.
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March 31st, 2018 at 1:26:42 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

This thread is in the Mississippi subsection, so it should be Biloxi.

you cant tell from the forum format.
all it says is 'Home» Forum» Gambling Outside Vegas'

so the only info is that it's NOT the one in Vegas.

Mike- anyway to fix this so you know more specifically which subforum a thread was created in?
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March 31st, 2018 at 1:32:30 PM permalink
I played there several times. I only parked in their garage a couple of times. It was the place, more than any other in Biloxi, I have been uncomfortable; approached by beggars (twice ). A few times I drove through looking for a place to park, but didn't like the loiterers in there.

Valet parking is free. Not that I didn't tip them when I used it. But that garage is one of 2 places that feel.wrong in Biloxi. The other is the self-park at IP. But HR feels much wrong-er.

They do have security vehicles driving around. It is better lit than most garages. But there are always people hanging around for no good reason.

I think, with MS being just about the poorest state, and only a couple of communities with any real money (Biloxi and Jackson) flowing, people really have to be on guard. The city does seem to have a huge police force relative to the city size. Maybe that's how they don't have even more problems.
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March 31st, 2018 at 1:49:43 PM permalink
Some people have commented that the loitering and drinking is worse whenever the casino hosts some concert but the employees who are low on the ladder have great distances to walk to get to their cars and have previously complained of a lack of escorts.

A guard in a golf cart probably only has a radio, not a firearm, and his static filled messages may not bring help. Bright lights help and more golf carts would help but as they used to say "its the economy, stupid". However it should be noted that this was NOT a robbery attempt. He neither took any valuables nor tried to. He simply took offense at her failure to accept the offer he made to her so he punched her repeatedly about the face and head. That is probably unrelated to the economy.

It doesn't have to be a casino. Parking structures are often perceived by females as unsafe due to poor lighting and too many blind spots with too few passersby. I've mentioned before that engineers do not like using glass for elevator walls and hanging the elevator off the end of a building. They only do it because the hotels and convention centers know that women will not enter the elevators otherwise. A glass enclosed elevator may or may not be safe, but it is usually perceived as safe due to its visibility factor.

The parking structure for the Hard Rock hotel (not Casino) in Hollywood/Fort Liquordale, Florida) is the darkest most foreboding and confusing structure I've ever encountered. Its ceilings are low and its signage is not just minimal, its downright misleading.
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March 31st, 2018 at 4:51:29 PM permalink
If only we had a contributor that warned us of rap concerts in areas.
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March 31st, 2018 at 5:47:34 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

you cant tell from the forum format.
all it says is 'Home» Forum» Gambling Outside Vegas'

so the only info is that it's NOT the one in Vegas.

Mike- anyway to fix this so you know more specifically which subforum a thread was created in?



Ah. I usually don't check the header on the thread page. If you manually navigate to the GoV area, it shows up in Mississippi. Similarly, if you view it from the Recent Threads page, it mentions Mississippi.
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March 31st, 2018 at 7:52:43 PM permalink
Google is your friend. 11 Hard Rock Casinos in North America.
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March 31st, 2018 at 8:20:21 PM permalink
Hard Rock is owned by the Seminole Tribes of Florida and several new Hard Rocks are opening up in hot cities around the world but are either just hotels or clubs, not casinos.

So far no reports of the assailant being captured or even identified.
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March 31st, 2018 at 8:20:21 PM permalink
Crime in casinos has been making the new a lot recently but in Massachusetts all they care about is getting Wynn's name off his new casino.
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March 31st, 2018 at 8:51:20 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

If only we had a contributor that warned us of rap concerts in areas.



Bruh if there was a Biggie and Tupac concert I wouldn't care if it was in between 2 gang territories I will be there with my bulletproof vest
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April 1st, 2018 at 12:48:36 PM permalink
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Bruh if there was a Biggie and Tupac concert. . .

They be dead.
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April 1st, 2018 at 12:53:34 PM permalink
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They be dead.

Allegedly.
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April 1st, 2018 at 1:22:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Allegedly.


Theyre all at that secret Burger King with Elvis and JFK in Grand Rapids.
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April 1st, 2018 at 2:27:39 PM permalink
Would have never happened is she had valeted. Only bad things happen in parking garages, nothing good.
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April 1st, 2018 at 3:12:19 PM permalink
Valet parking usually costs and you have to give the poor guy a tip.

The casino should spring for some brighter lights and better cameras and a few of those silly golf carts.

You think headlines like this don't hurt "the drop" or "the hold"? You can't hold what isn't handed over in the first place and even if its hubby's money its the wife who decides which casino they go to.
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April 1st, 2018 at 3:23:09 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Hard Rock is owned by the Seminole Tribes of Florida and several new Hard Rocks are opening up in hot cities around the world but are either just hotels or clubs, not casinos.

So far no reports of the assailant being captured or even identified.


Google directed me to HR website Click on casinos and there are 11 listings in NA
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April 1st, 2018 at 3:48:26 PM permalink
You really can't pit a price on safety. It's your own fault if you dont utilize something that a casino offers even if you have to pay. All casinos will provide a free security escort to your vehicle. This holds true for big winners who or big gamblers who are known to carry a large amount of cash. Always a good idea to drive fast away from the casino to see if you are being followed. Must pay attention, you let your guard down someone will take advantage.
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April 1st, 2018 at 4:40:54 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Valet parking usually costs and you have to give the poor guy a tip.

The casino should spring for some brighter lights and better cameras and a few of those silly golf carts.

You think headlines like this don't hurt "the drop" or "the hold"? You can't hold what isn't handed over in the first place and even if its hubby's money its the wife who decides which casino they go to.



I say again, valet parking is free there. You don't HAVE to tip, but they're pretty happy with $2.

They have enclosed golf carts for security, like little trucks, with orange rotating lights on top.
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April 1st, 2018 at 5:01:47 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I say again, valet parking is free there. You don't HAVE to tip, but they're pretty happy with $2.

They have enclosed golf carts for security, like little trucks, with orange rotating lights on top.

Free minus the stuff they steal(easy enough to make sure you take everything out). I don't like parking valet for the same reason I don't like the maids in my room. Obviously having the maid in your room whenever you are not around is way worse than parking valet.
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April 1st, 2018 at 5:52:42 PM permalink
When I played poker at the Bellagio on a regular basis while I lived in Vegas, I accidentally dropped a $1000 chip on my floor mat when I arrived in the afternoon. Since the chip was bright yellow and I had a 4 wheel drive P/U, it's something that you can't miss if you were to enter the truck since you had to look down onto the mat to enter the truck. I noticed that I was missing one chip when I went into the poker room, but couldn't figure out what happened. When I picked up my truck later that night, I noticed the chip right away. Sitting right in the middle of my floor mat. I'm positive the valet had seen it, but they didn't take it. I ended up writing a letter and made sure it made it to upper management. I played poker with a guy who worked closely with Bobby Baldwin, CEO of MGM so I gave it to him. Turns out my letter complimenting the valet's professionalism & honesty was posted in their break room. The supervisor personally thanked me, it's rare that anyone has anything good to say about them, as they are often accused of the most petty theft. No valet employee is going to risk a $75-90K job taking a pair of sunglasses or cd. Really boasted their moral.
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April 1st, 2018 at 5:58:40 PM permalink
luggage luggers and maids generally don't steal either... you don't last around a casino if you steal.
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April 1st, 2018 at 5:58:40 PM permalink
Now the waiters in the various restaurants... that is usually a different matter.
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April 1st, 2018 at 6:14:23 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I say again, valet parking is free there.

That's what I thought you had said but was simply too lazy to scroll back and check.

>>>>They have enclosed golf carts for security with orange rotating lights on top.
Not enough of them apparently.
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April 1st, 2018 at 6:16:15 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

luggage luggers and maids generally don't steal either... you don't last around a casino if you steal.

They don't until they do. I don't like to risk it myself and it's just a pain in the ass to make sure everything is out. I usually keep a few bucks in the car just in case I forget my wallet or something. It's happened far too many times to me personally to take any chances. As I said, I would be way less worried about the Valet. If you are worried about your safety then you should go with Valet given the chance.

FYI people don't always steal just for the money.

I have only used the bellman service a few times in my life, usually it's only to store something before or after I have checked in or out.
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April 1st, 2018 at 8:10:59 PM permalink
Richard Branson Just bought the Hard Rock.
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April 1st, 2018 at 8:19:46 PM permalink
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Richard Branson Just bought the Hard Rock.

Only the LV location correct? And he's rebranding to Virgin. That's a Mistake IMO.
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April 1st, 2018 at 11:09:31 PM permalink
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Only the LV location correct? And he's rebranding to Virgin. That's a Mistake IMO.



That's my understanding.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 3:58:11 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I say again, valet parking is free there. You don't HAVE to tip, but they're pretty happy with $2.

They have enclosed golf carts for security, like little trucks, with orange rotating lights on top.



Bad idea to valet when AP'ing
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April 2nd, 2018 at 4:31:35 AM permalink
Biloxi Blues:
Treasure Bay versus Hard Rock.
Each was the scene of recent cell phone thefts. (Perhaps a lot of cruising criminals there).
One involved a woman who put her cell phone atop her slot machine and then forgot about it when she walked away. The other incident involved a woman at a slot machine who happened to drop her cell phone onto the floor but appears not to have noticed it.

Such cell phones appear to be promptly scooped up by passersby who then engage in some brief show of innocent appearing behavior prior to walking away with the phone.

Now I'm not focusing on the value of the cell phones or what they can be fenced for or anything. And from my own recent forgetfulness I know its an annoying event to take place. My sole concern for these two crimes that took place recently in Biloxi is simply the vastly different quality of the surveillance footage in the two casinos.

Hard Rock is typical fuzzy shadowy top-of-the-head footage of poor quality.
Treasure Bay footage on the other hand is sharp, clear and shows faces quite clearly.

Now of course these things happen. Just as slot machines are turned over as newer models become available so too are video surveillance cameras though on a markedly different schedule. There are problems with physical access, bandwidth, recording decks, etc. Yet the differences in the footage quality is major. And it most definitely seems strange that a cheapie store such as Biloxi's Hobby Lobby has full color video and the sharpest images ever yet fortune-making casinos seem stuck in the past technology.

Would this affect my decisions about where to play? Not really but it is nice to think that if anything does happen at least the video will be usable.

Note: Its an open secret that in facial recognition software, most successes are for white faces, not black faces.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 6:12:22 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Biloxi Blues: Treasure Bay versus Hard Rock.
Hard Rock is typical fuzzy shadowy top-of-the-head footage of poor quality.
Treasure Bay footage on the other hand is sharp, clear and shows faces quite clearly.



Flea,

I'm a bit confused about how you get information about the surveillance image clarity of the two (and other?) casinos. Can you explain how you came to know this information?

FWIW, a few years ago at a reception held as part of the (now defunct) Southern Gaming Summit in Biloxi, I had the opportunity to visit with two surveillance staff that worked at one of the Biloxi-area casinos. (Can't recall which casino, so I'd have to check my trip notes to identify where they worked.) They commented that the only local-area casino that still used video tape recorders (at that time, perhaps different now) was the Palace Casino. All others had upgraded to DVD recorders. Of course, this in no way suggests whether or not your comment is accurate.

The surveillance staff members also told me that there was a 2-step threshold for casino surveillance based on the number of "seats" available in the casino. State gaming regulators require 2 staff on duty at all times if the casino exceeded the specified number of seats, but most of the local Biloxi-area casinos were only required to have 1 surveillance person on duty.

Nonetheless, your comments about image quality are very interesting, if true. I would expect casinos to keep such information from everyone, including gaming patrons and the general public. Just as casinos want gamblers to believe surveillance can hear what you say on the gaming floor; they cannot.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 7:18:44 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Bad idea to valet when AP'ing



I made Double Platinum with them very quickly and had special (safer ) parking I used after that. Also, before that, if there was parking within a few steps of a door on any level, I used that. And walked with my keys between my fingers, ready to punch and gouge. And had my whistle ready to blow. And went back into the building and waited for them to leave, if anyone was near my car. And only unlocked 2 steps from the car, only the driver's door, then locked immediately again. And kept the windows up. And. And. And.

Not blaming the victim AT ALL. But women have to do things differently. As soon as she drew their unwanted attention, MY process is to go back in the building. Or blow my whistle. Or watch them closely to see if anyone is moving in my direction. Or whatever the case calls for, short of going to ( identifying ) my car, being vulnerable to attack while opening the door and getting in, etc.

It's that kind of a world. Even if you know you just busted out, THEY probably don't know that. Some guys are willing to find out. Let alone times when you left with cash.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 9:11:04 AM permalink
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Flea,
I'm a bit confused about how you get information

Yeah, I bet. How about PokerGrinder's reaction? I've never been to south east asia at all, he had NOT given us the name of his hostel and yet I was giving him specific information on it and its accommodations. It was only AFTER I entertained him with my unique math skills that he gave us the name of the hostel in that thread. It didn't rattle him at all. Why should it rattle you?

When you said 'two step' surveillance I at first thought of the rules in Vegas where many casinos can't expand because the new surveillance equipment rules can not be followed due to structural limitations on plenum space in those older casinos.

We all say "tape" and "film" but those are generic terms. Even when "film at eleven" was a common phrase, it was actually usually videotape not film.

As to the "quality" of surveillance departments, the best example is from that Fresno "casino" wherein someone put a handful of "pot" in the betting circle. Surveillance was a one person guy with a high school education and the equipment was fit for a museum.

I've often posted 'Fleastiff does not know whereof he speaks". He never does.

My ability with casino surveillance is roughly equivalent to my ability with Basketball Brackets.

Anyway, for casino surveillance here is the general rundown:

Video only. Except for the security office which is video and sound.

Facial recognition software is rare and rudimentary. The Venetian has the most advanced recognition software.
Instead of comparing faces to those twelve standardized faces recognition is often much better and faster if the comparison is to peppers and bak choy. Facial recognition improved when images were fed in upside down.

Oh, and casinos do avoid letting anyone see actual tapes, they will gladly make composite CD type things for the cops but try to avoid making a full tape available to them.

I hope this answers your questions.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 9:23:35 AM permalink
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It's that kind of a world. Even if you know you just busted out, THEY probably don't know that. Some guys are willing to find out. Let alone times when you left with cash.

Well, this incident was not financially based but its best to always be alert in a casino. I used to go to the "wrong" elevator bank and then proceed to the correct one while taking note of anyone who might be following me. Getting off the elevator I would often turn in the wrong direction and after several steps reverse direction just to be able to make sure that no one was after the chips in my pocket. If a friend accompanied me on a gambling trip, I would not hand her money, I'd simply "shake hands" with her which is less obvious. And a few times when my companion went to the cashier I'd be twenty steps behind her taking note of anyone else who might be following her to or away from the cashier.

Is all this rigamarole excessive. Undoubtedly, but it doesn't take all that much time or effort to be safe.
DeMango
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April 2nd, 2018 at 12:41:54 PM permalink
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I hope this answers your questions.


Not even close. How do you know the difference? Have you seen it posted somewhere? Has someone told you? Making it up?
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April 2nd, 2018 at 1:20:13 PM permalink
Are you saying I have to bring a gun to Biloxi to gamble?
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April 2nd, 2018 at 1:37:25 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Making it up?

Now do you REALLY believe I would do that? For that matter, do you REALLY believe I would renege on the Basket Ball brackets obligation?

Take a look at the screen shots in the local crimestoppers. Note the difference between the two casinos I mentioned. I'm in Florida, I'm not in Biloxi. Also take a look at that shoplifting incident in Hobby Lobby.... note the exceptionally clear and crisp video from a color camera.

I trust this satisfies you.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 1:40:23 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Making it up?


This is hilarious coming from someone that believe in the nonsense of DI/DC.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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April 2nd, 2018 at 1:45:08 PM permalink
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Are you saying I have to bring a gun to Biloxi to gamble?

Crime in casinos tends to be more likely to make the news than crimes that are more distant and do not involve the casino in any way. I see no reason to consider Biloxi to be crime ridden or dangerous. Casinos would bring pressure on the police if things ever did get out of hand.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 3:33:25 PM permalink
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This is hilarious coming from someone that believe in the nonsense of DI/DC.


I’ve got the chi square results to back me up, you’ve got a psychic, right???
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