Dealers try to unionize, strike
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I've nudged it to Gambling Outside Vegas / Eastern US, since Shelbyville is in the Eastern time zone.
I was surprised at first that it was Teamsters rather than SEIU, but apparently the Teamsters are a surprisingly diverse union.
Quote:The 200 dealers and dual rates were scheduled to vote in their union election on Friday, Oct. 17. The ongoing government shutdown caused the election to be delayed indefinitely, so the prospective Teamsters proposed using a neutral third party to conduct the vote as planned. Horseshoe's management refused, forcing the group to strike for union recognition.
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I've nudged it to Gambling Outside Vegas / Eastern US, since Shelbyville is in the Eastern time zone.
I was surprised at first that it was Teamsters rather than SEIU, but apparently the Teamsters are a surprisingly diverse union.
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At Foxwoods in CT at one point the dealers were in the UAW, oddly enough. Not sure why. But my guess is that there were dealers who were already in that union due to some other employment.
Quote: DieterQuote:The 200 dealers and dual rates were scheduled to vote in their union election on Friday, Oct. 17. The ongoing government shutdown caused the election to be delayed indefinitely, so the prospective Teamsters proposed using a neutral third party to conduct the vote as planned. Horseshoe's management refused, forcing the group to strike for union recognition.
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Ding ding ding ding. As I suspected above. Mostly anyway. The casino would be crazy to accept that. Post a “call your senator” message on the bulletin board.
One gentleman they interviewed said he has been there 6 years and only received one $1 an hour raise in that whole time
Wish TV is the local channel 8 affiliate for CBS
Story said teamsters respresent for more than 5,000 table game reps and casino workers in the United States
Quote: avianrandyAccording to a news story on wishtv.com, the teamster's said more than 80% of table game dealers and dual rates signed union cards indicating they were supportive of a union
One gentleman they interviewed said he has been there 6 years and only received one $1 an hour raise in that whole time
Wish TV is the local channel 8 affiliate for CBS
Story said teamsters respresent for more than 5,000 table game reps and casino workers in the United States
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Teamster unionization was once part of the price for getting the loan.
Quote: avianrandyAccording to a news story on wishtv.com, the teamster's said more than 80% of table game dealers and dual rates signed union cards indicating they were supportive of a union
One gentleman they interviewed said he has been there 6 years and only received one $1 an hour raise in that whole time
Wish TV is the local channel 8 affiliate for CBS
Story said teamsters respresent for more than 5,000 table game reps and casino workers in the United States
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Well sure, the union says that. But when do they ever not say that?
"Yeah, only 30% of the workers are interested, but we're going to have the vote anyway after twisting some arms" said no union representative ever.
That really needs to be a secret ballot. There are always disadvantages as well as advantages to joining.
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That really needs to be a secret ballot. There are always disadvantages as well as advantages to joining.
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For those that do not know, back during the Obama administration there was a push to remove the secret ballot part. (NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, STATEMENT OF FACT.)
Union organization can get pretty rough. I have read of people followed home after work. People hassled until they signed the card. So you sign to be left alone. A union getting a new unit is big $$$. I have not heard what dues are these days, but 40 years ago it was $40 to join and about $4 a week. My guess is triple that today. Even $10 per week is $500 per worker per year. That adds up fast.
Quote: avianrandyWell the retaliation has started. One of the dual rates got suspended Monday for giving striking workers hand warmer and bottled water on her day off. Tuesday she was terminated. Teamster's said they are going to fight to get her her job back
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It might have been construed as giving someone something of value to support unionization, which is illegal. There would be no reason to fire her and not the other strikers unless she personally did something against the rules.
This I remember from the last election when partisans were giving bottled water to people waiting in line outside the polls. They can't do that.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: avianrandyWell the retaliation has started. One of the dual rates got suspended Monday for giving striking workers hand warmer and bottled water on her day off. Tuesday she was terminated. Teamster's said they are going to fight to get her her job back
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It might have been construed as giving someone something of value to support unionization, which is illegal. There would be no reason to fire her and not the other strikers unless she personally did something against the rules.
This I remember from the last election when partisans were giving bottled water to people waiting in line outside the polls. They can't do that.
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Depending on state law, sure they can. Here in MA, the can electioneer all they want, except within 150 feet of a polling place.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: avianrandyWell the retaliation has started. One of the dual rates got suspended Monday for giving striking workers hand warmer and bottled water on her day off. Tuesday she was terminated. Teamster's said they are going to fight to get her her job back
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It might have been construed as giving someone something of value to support unionization, which is illegal. There would be no reason to fire her and not the other strikers unless she personally did something against the rules.
This I remember from the last election when partisans were giving bottled water to people waiting in line outside the polls. They can't do that.
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Depending on state law, sure they can. Here in MA, the can electioneer all they want, except within 150 feet of a polling place.
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This was not the same as electioneering. Votes cannot be involved in trade any time, anywhere, so the offense was giving someone something of value because they are voting.
The Teamsters are where the big boys play, and they don't like to lose.
Quote: billryanThey were picketing, not voting. I'm unaware of any law against supporting a picket line. There is also nothing against an employer terminating a non-union,at-will employee at any time.
The Teamsters are where the big boys play, and they don't like to lose.
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When the SEIU tried to unionize my hospital, the hospital fired a few pro-union supporters. The hospital was forced to either hire them back or, in some cases, pay a settlement fro wrongful termination. Unionizing is protected activity.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: avianrandyWell the retaliation has started. One of the dual rates got suspended Monday for giving striking workers hand warmer and bottled water on her day off. Tuesday she was terminated. Teamster's said they are going to fight to get her her job back
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It might have been construed as giving someone something of value to support unionization, which is illegal. There would be no reason to fire her and not the other strikers unless she personally did something against the rules.
This I remember from the last election when partisans were giving bottled water to people waiting in line outside the polls. They can't do that.
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Depending on state law, sure they can. Here in MA, the can electioneer all they want, except within 150 feet of a polling place.
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This was not the same as electioneering. Votes cannot be involved in trade any time, anywhere, so the offense was giving someone something of value because they are voting.
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I'd check your legal references, amigo.
Quote: billryanThey were picketing, not voting. I'm unaware of any law against supporting a picket line. There is also nothing against an employer terminating a non-union,at-will employee at any time.
The Teamsters are where the big boys play, and they don't like to lose.
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The reason why I think it's questionable is that the purpose of the picketing is to pressure the casino (both management and labor) to certify the union, and the workers who will be voting are being paid to picket. I can easily see how that amounts being paid to support the certification.
It's also fishy being they are doing this before a legit vote. If they have the votes and they know it, what difference does it make whether they have the vote now or they have it in a couple of weeks when the NLRB is there? It can't be worth it for the employees to strike over a technical delay like that. Logic suggests that they don't have the votes and they know it, and they're trying to rush a wink-and-nod vote.
As we only worked 14 weeks, it was a big hit each year. We didn't even get paid for July 4th. I thought we had a really rotten deal, as you had to work 60 days to qualify for any benefits, and they took dues out every week .
My last summer was 1980. Around 1995, my aunt called me and asked if I'd heard from Western. When i said no, she said to look for something in the mail. A week later, I got a check for $1350. Someone in Washington had gone over some records and decided that the summer workers were hired under a government stipulation, and that we were supposed to be given the option to join or not join the union. Since we were told it was mandatory, they refunded all our dues.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanThey were picketing, not voting. I'm unaware of any law against supporting a picket line. There is also nothing against an employer terminating a non-union,at-will employee at any time.
The Teamsters are where the big boys play, and they don't like to lose.
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When the SEIU tried to unionize my hospital, the hospital fired a few pro-union supporters. The hospital was forced to either hire them back or, in some cases, pay a settlement fro wrongful termination. Unionizing is protected activity.
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The person would have to prove why they were laid off. I doubt the casino put in writing that the layoff was for anything other than documented poor past performance/inability to separate her dual functions.
