unJon
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September 30th, 2020 at 4:26:08 AM permalink
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"Worst month they've ever had"

Employees laid off.

Not sure how you spin this any other way but horrible



surely not worse than the monthís of zero revenue.
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darkoz
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September 30th, 2020 at 6:59:44 AM permalink
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surely not worse than the monthís of zero revenue.



"Implied" means understood without having to actually say it.

Clearly when the article says Wind Creek had it's worst month ever they mean "operating" month.

They were not operating during the Pandemic shutdown. Of course there was zero revenue..

My argument about reopening isn't that businesses should remain closed forever. It's that the businesses needed to stay closed until the pandemic was under control.

Again, don't try to misconstrue that statement. Under control does not mean "vaccines working" or "eradicated".

It means people spreading the disease at a minimal rate of transfer and a low death toll.

Incidentally these are measurable terms. The CDC I believe and possibly WHO gave analytics to go by.
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unJon
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September 30th, 2020 at 7:10:50 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

"Implied" means understood without having to actually say it.

Clearly when the article says Wind Creek had it's worst month ever they mean "operating" month.

They were not operating during the Pandemic shutdown. Of course there was zero revenue..

My argument about reopening isn't that businesses should remain closed forever. It's that the businesses needed to stay closed until the pandemic was under control.

Again, don't try to misconstrue that statement. Under control does not mean "vaccines working" or "eradicated".

It means people spreading the disease at a minimal rate of transfer and a low death toll.

Incidentally these are measurable terms. The CDC I believe and possibly WHO gave analytics to go by.



I really donít follow. The decision for the casino is simply whether itís better to operate or not. So they compare the month of not operating to the month of opening and having ďtheir worst operating month.Ē You are jumping to a conclusion that they opened too soon? Doesnít follow from available data. Why do you reject: worst operating month >> not operating this month ?
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michael99000
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September 30th, 2020 at 7:53:50 AM permalink
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My argument about reopening isn't that businesses should remain closed forever. It's that the businesses needed to stay closed until the pandemic was under control.



Why ?

If you can prove that them being open now is causing a significant increase in the virus being spread due to people playing there, then Iíll agree. But that area of PA is still seeing virus figures drop.

If youíre statement is based on the fact that revenue was low in the first month back and only some workers got their jobs back, then i completely disagree. When rules state that you can only operate at 50% capacity , then any reference to ďworst revenue month everĒ is pointless.
darkoz
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September 30th, 2020 at 7:54:52 AM permalink
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I really donít follow. The decision for the casino is simply whether itís better to operate or not. So they compare the month of not operating to the month of opening and having ďtheir worst operating month.Ē You are jumping to a conclusion that they opened too soon? Doesnít follow from available data. Why do you reject: worst operating month >> not operating this month ?



And it very well may lead to them closing.

Already they have laid off many workers.
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unJon
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September 30th, 2020 at 8:26:01 AM permalink
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And it very well may lead to them closing.

Already they have laid off many workers.

If COVID conditions change, Iím sure closing again will be on the table. But the basic point of disagreement between us here is your implication that reopening somehow caused the layoffs. I donít understand what you base that on. The counter factual to me is more would have been laid off absent reopening.
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darkoz
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September 30th, 2020 at 9:18:52 AM permalink
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If COVID conditions change, Iím sure closing again will be on the table. But the basic point of disagreement between us here is your implication that reopening somehow caused the layoffs. I donít understand what you base that on. The counter factual to me is more would have been laid off absent reopening.



Sorry that wasn't what I was trying to imply.

To be clear I was referring to the four months of shutdowns in the Spring when people were protesting that businesses should have "no shutdown period" to avoid ruining the economy

That the economy would have been ruined regardless of keeping open those four months vs. staying shut down because patrons simply would not show up during a Pandemic.

While less may have been laid off than with a total shutdown, the economic damage was going to be egregious regardless.

Therefore (with economic damage regardless) at least with a shutdown you save lives and most likely shorten the time to economic recovery as you help precipitate getting the disease under control

I was trying to use the latest layoffs at wind creek as example of how just staying open would not have avoided economic damage as many protestors claimed
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unJon
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September 30th, 2020 at 9:36:51 AM permalink
Thanks, darkoz. I now understand where you are coming from.
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September 30th, 2020 at 10:58:03 AM permalink



see ya guys its been fun for me at least
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September 30th, 2020 at 11:26:38 AM permalink
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see ya guys its been fun for me at least



A humorous quip.

Big hullabaloo about nothing.

The reason you have to wear a mask Heatmap is because so many people have dealt with the disease.

You may feel it's a hoax but that's not going to change the mind of the majority who have experience with Covid-19 either personally or through friends and family
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