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Rigondeaux
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October 5th, 2018 at 1:31:50 PM permalink
The cleverest part is that the lizard men from the moon investigated the case, found the problem and fined the casino so that we'd think they aren't all in on it.
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October 5th, 2018 at 2:12:45 PM permalink
The worst part is they only got fined $100k.
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October 5th, 2018 at 2:19:26 PM permalink
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The worst part is they only got fined $100k.



The worst part is they know who the players were but did not refund any money
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October 5th, 2018 at 6:43:45 PM permalink
One of the articles I read said they dealt several hands of Spanish 21 with the 10ís included. The paragraph ended with them saying no players complained about the dealt cards. Iím sure they didnít!
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October 5th, 2018 at 7:48:49 PM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

One of the articles I read said they dealt several hands of Spanish 21 with the 10ís included. The paragraph ended with them saying no players complained about the dealt cards. Iím sure they didnít!


One of them lost $150 on the bad shoe.

My rough gustimate is that Spanish 21 w/10's would be around a 1.6% player edge ... but it would be cool if someone did the math
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October 5th, 2018 at 8:33:39 PM permalink
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One of them lost $150 on the bad shoe.

My rough gustimate is that Spanish 21 w/10's would be around a 1.6% player edge ... but it would be cool if someone did the math

Your guess is close. 1.49% according to Ask the Wizard.
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What advantage (%) would a player have if the 10ís were used in a stand on all 17, 8-deck spanish 21 game?


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Keeping all the tens in the deck is worth 1.89% to the player. The house edge under those rules is normally 0.40%. So with all the tens in the shoe, the player edge would be 1.89%-0.40% = 1.49%.

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October 6th, 2018 at 7:52:23 AM permalink
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Can't paste the link here but the casino had been fined for short decks. Does this happen often?


philly/business/tourism_casinos/state-fines-sugarhouse-100k-dealing-short-decks-20181003



now we just need to figure out what sands beth is doing
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October 6th, 2018 at 3:22:07 PM permalink
Well, well, well... The truth is starting to come out nice and slowly. I can only imagine what Harrahs in Chester has been doing for the past 2 years, as well as Sands in Bethlehem. And guess what? It's happening right now in Vegas as well. Just go to Ballys, Planet Hollywood, Bellagio, Harrahs, and Caesars. Also so much for a casino losing their license like the Gaming Commission likes to say if they were using short shoes. Like I said, slap on the wrist each time. You wanna know why? Too much tax revenue lost for the state. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, huh? More corruption in this pathetic society. For only 100k, how many casinos out there are short shoeing the hell out of the blackjack games as we speak? 100k to a casino is like picking up a penny off the floor. Do the math. An extra 0.5% more than makes up for the 100k penalty in less than a week perhaps.

Also for those saying, this wasn't about cheating. How naive are you guys really? Quit giving the benefit of the doubt to everything you hear in the media. So much crap goes on behind closed doors with these corrupt billionaires. You actually think pit bosses and employees were just ignoring red lights or whatever they said in the story? Tell me the last time you saw someone ignore a red light on the ASM. You don't think the casino paid off the media to cover up the story in some fashion? Welcome to the real world. You actually think those were the exact cards missing? More like 10s, Aces, and 9s missing, but probably just the 10s and Aces because casinos are too stupid to realize the 9's also help the player. Massive cover-up story and it's happening right here in Vegas as we speak at several properties.

Let's also not forget what Ken Uston said many decades ago. There was a big casino in Vegas that he would not name that was using short shoes. Go figure.
Last edited by: ZenKinG on Oct 6, 2018
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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October 6th, 2018 at 6:26:57 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well, well, well... The truth is starting to come out nice and slowly. I can only imagine what Harrahs in Chester has been doing for the past 2 years, as well as Sands in Bethlehem. And guess what? It's happening right now in Vegas as well. Just go to Ballys, Planet Hollywood, Bellagio, Harrahs, and Caesars. Also so much for a casino losing their license like the Gaming Commission likes to say if they were using short shoes. Like I said, slap on the wrist each time. You wanna know why? Too much tax revenue lost for the state. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, huh? More corruption in this pathetic society. For only 100k, how many casinos out there are short shoeing the hell out of the blackjack games as we speak? 100k to a casino is like picking up a penny off the floor. Do the math. An extra 0.5% more than makes up for the 100k penalty in less than a week perhaps.

Also for those saying, this wasn't about cheating. How naive are you guys really? Quit giving the benefit of the doubt to everything you hear in the media. So much crap goes on behind closed doors with these corrupt billionaires. You actually think pit bosses and employees were just ignoring red lights or whatever they said in the story? Tell me the last time you saw someone ignore a red light on the ASM. You don't think the casino paid off the media to cover up the story in some fashion? Welcome to the real world. You actually think those were the exact cards missing? More like 10s, Aces, and 9s missing, but probably just the 10s and Aces because casinos are too stupid to realize the 9's also help the player. Massive cover-up story and it's happening right here in Vegas as we speak at several properties.

Let's also not forget what Ken Uston said many decades ago. There was a big casino in Vegas that he would not name that was using short shoes. Go figure.



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October 6th, 2018 at 6:40:28 PM permalink
I've never been so happy to have ZK back!

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