SOOPOO
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:00:37 AM permalink
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Agree. But, are we setting a safety net for everybody?



Apparently Canada has set its safety net. Free health care for all. A higher minimum wage. The employees want MORE than what your so called 'safety net' provides. Learn new skills. Get a second job. Take an on line degree. Etc....
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May 20th, 2018 at 10:52:59 AM permalink
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If a business can do the same amount of work with fewer workers that should be considered GOOD, not bad! What sane business owner would want to provide jobs if he does not NEED to? The phrase, "They closed another restaurant and threw 200 people to the street" is so wrong! Should a business keep a restaurant open JUST so people can be employed there, or should the restaurant stay open BECAUSE it makes money for the owner/investor? No one wants to hear it, but perhaps if the 200 employees were making LESS the restaurant would have been profitable to keep open.

It just stuns me that many people believe a business's PURPOSE is to provide jobs!



I think perhaps there is a whole picture involved.

I'm pretty sure (but don't have the facts on hand) that, at the time Windsor was proposed, the approvals were based on that company providing x amounts of jobs with y amount of an average salary and company benefits, and an expectation of z amount of municipal /provincial revenue. Those numbers were critical to allowing the casino to exist.

CET is outsourcing all over this way, for restaurants and other vendors, contract labor that transfers the money from their own employees to outside companies that pay less in wages and benefits. The money that was expected to be earned and spent locally instead goes to franchise fees and outside investors. CET saves money by not having to fund employee pension and benefits over the long term, and perhaps gains revenue from those franchise fees, perhaps pays less net to have the on-site amenity.

Not sure whether CET is a vendor themselves, or owns the property. But however it is structured, it is a weaseling out of the obligations the casino builders made to the community in order to get the place built. There may be tax obligations structured by the size of the corporation's employees being shorted, property-wide ancillary staffing that gets reduced from promised levels because the franchises do their own maintenance and cleaning and accounting, lots of other ripple effects.

All legitimate business decisions in some arenas, but not legitimate if obligations made are being shirked.

Casinos have huge negative values to.the surrounding community, in concentrating negative elements into a focal point. Increased traffic requiring road improvements, more police presence needed, litter cleanup, localized crime, noise, all cost-negative issues which were judged more than offset by the positive revenue for good jobs and tax collection, or the approvals for zoning and building would not have happened. That calculation may be undercut, and the balance shifted to the negative, by these type changes.

That business is not operating in isolation. They're turning a win-win situation into a win-lose and saying, whaddya gonna do about it? They made long-term obligations and need to follow them through.
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:29:06 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I think perhaps there is a whole picture involved.

I'm pretty sure (but don't have the facts on hand) that, at the time Windsor was proposed, the approvals were based on that company providing x amounts of jobs with y amount of an average salary and company benefits, and an expectation of z amount of municipal /provincial revenue. Those numbers were critical to allowing the casino to exist.



If what you say is true then the governing body who made the deal to allow the casino to be built needs to be heard. If CET agreed to a guarantee of a certain number of jobs or a certain level of compensation (I would bet they DID NOT) then they should be held to that. The casino in Niagara Falls USA, by the way, has 100% IMPROVED the area, not hurt it. Many restaurants and hotels in the immediate area that ONLY exist because of the casino.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:21:46 PM permalink
BBB the casino is OWNED by the Ontario Government

The Ontario Government has hired Caesars to run day to day operations


Did Caesars by eliminating full time jobs and hiring part time or casuals cause the problem?

Right now on strike they ALL get $250 a week strike pay ( tax free I believe) so lots of casuals and part time are making more on strike while fighting for FULL TIME jobs with benefits. Add to that the contracts offered will pay them about $200 a week ( on time out so far) in a bonus .

FREE HEALTH CARE that's a laugh
we are taxed at every turn we also pay a Health "TAX" Premium on earnings
https://www.ontario.ca/page/health-premium

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/frequently-asked-questions-individuals/canadian-income-tax-rates-individuals-current-previous-years.html

we pay about $1 more per gallon of gas ...yep more taxes

taxes on purchases are 13% in Ontario ( 8% Ontario tax and 5% Federal) buy that $40,000 car and add $5200 in taxes on it
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM permalink
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If what you say is true then the governing body who made the deal to allow the casino to be built needs to be heard. If CET agreed to a guarantee of a certain number of jobs or a certain level of compensation (I would bet they DID NOT) then they should be held to that. The casino in Niagara Falls USA, by the way, has 100% IMPROVED the area, not hurt it. Many restaurants and hotels in the immediate area that ONLY exist because of the casino.



I have written government proposals for work in the US from both the govt side and the contractor side. Which may or may not be pertinent to how Ontario does things.

But any RFP for a new industry to be allowed, especially one with a moral component like gambling, would have to provide projected employment and salary figures in great detail. Guarantees, doubtful, but could be in performance matrix requirements for certain minimums.
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May 20th, 2018 at 7:11:31 PM permalink
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Apparently Canada has set its safety net. Free health care for all. A higher minimum wage. The employees want MORE than what your so called 'safety net' provides. Learn new skills. Get a second job. Take an on line degree. Etc....



As a Canadian, I can assure you that health care is not free.
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May 20th, 2018 at 8:19:12 PM permalink
In Canada dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and humans can wait two-to-three years."
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May 21st, 2018 at 5:27:10 AM permalink
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As a Canadian, I can assure you that health care is not free.



Please continue. We south of the border here are always told that your health care is free. I understand that it is paid for by taxpayers. Is that what you mean by 'health care is not free'?
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May 21st, 2018 at 6:10:30 AM permalink
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Please continue. We south of the border here are always told that your health care is free. I understand that it is paid for by taxpayers. Is that what you mean by 'health care is not free'?

Of course it is not free. It is however highly regulated thru turnstiles, hoops and maximization of assets.

You want something, you go on a waiting list. You miss the appointment for any reason at all, you go back on the waiting list. Medical equipment does not lie fallow, it gets used or else it doesn't get purchased in the first place. Appointments start at 8:00am sharp and go to 9.00pm. There are no "slack times". Doctors do not get a "coffee break" between patients. Personnel are scheduled for rotating shifts. You don't like being rotated onto a shift that goes against the clock? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The medical care is 'free' to the extent that Canadians pay taxes to fund the free care. Yet that 'free' care is limited by frustrating barriers and co-pays and lack of options. Want gout medicine? Stand in line for three hours and you get the defined dose of the defined drug. No options for dose adjustment or use of a different drug.

Richer Canadians or more desperate Canadians have an "escape valve". The US, Mexico and Panama. In the US the medical system will confirm the diagnosis, plan, treat, get the patient recuperated and give him a whopping bill in less time than he would be on the waiting list, but Canada then screws him on his 'time out of country' for future healthcare coverage.

Everything costs even if the accountants have different ways of sorting out those debits and credits.

Consider the UK. Pretty much similar to the USA as far as everything except a few words go and in the UK its 'Casualty' not the 'ER' and its an Operating Theater not an Operating Room but the demographics and population and society is pretty much the same as the US. The doctors however make half of what they can make in the US. Want to move to England for their national health service?
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May 21st, 2018 at 6:30:01 AM permalink
Oh My....Canada must be a terrible place to live.....
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