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November 20th, 2017 at 8:56:22 AM permalink
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Three new members in one thread. They're all trying to sell games.

That seems crystal clear.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Mission146
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November 20th, 2017 at 9:45:22 AM permalink
It may not be the proper sub-forum for that, and I'm definitely going to be more hesitant to post anymore links, but they don't seem to compete with any of our business interests. Besides that, these companies could be a legitimate interest for individuals who operate applicable establishments in PA.
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November 20th, 2017 at 12:33:41 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

It may not be the proper sub-forum for that, and I'm definitely going to be more hesitant to post anymore links, but they don't seem to compete with any of our business interests. Besides that, these companies could be a legitimate interest for individuals who operate applicable establishments in PA.



My concern is that they are clearly biased on the interpretation of the law because of their business interest. Three new members popping up to make a few comments also seems like two fake profiles to back up the first one. I definitely wouldn't stand behind it.
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Mission146
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November 20th, 2017 at 12:45:48 PM permalink
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My concern is that they are clearly biased on the interpretation of the law because of their business interest. Three new members popping up to make a few comments also seems like two fake profiles to back up the first one. I definitely wouldn't stand behind it.



I donít stand behind the product at all, donít know enough to do so. In the meantime, Iím just saying that they could be a legitimate interest should any concerned parties (PA bar owners) happen upon the thread.

Iíll check those accounts for Dupes and will Nuke accordingly, if so, since you bring it up.
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November 20th, 2017 at 12:50:07 PM permalink
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I donít stand behind the product at all, donít know enough to do so. In the meantime, Iím just saying that they could be a legitimate interest should any concerned parties (PA bar owners) happen upon the thread.

Iíll check those accounts for Dupes and will Nuke accordingly, if so, since you bring it up.



UPDATE:

CB3 matches BTony4 (or whatever it is) and both are Nuked for Multiple Accounts. Katie does not match anybody.

Please let this thread be remembered for those who sometimes like to accuse me of targeting (no present parties in this thread apply) as you can see, I clearly do not go checking everyone for Matching IPís unless it is obvious to me or someone makes a request.
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November 20th, 2017 at 3:46:44 PM permalink
Thanks Mission, while I am a PA bar owner who doesnít have a vested interest in the issue, itís obvious who does. These guys take 1 ruling in 2013 that was very vague and is not being used as fact of law to push their products. Note the machines in question called ďPA SkillĒ only came out in 2017 and were not the machines in the ruling. They did take this ruling and try to make a machine that they believe meets the ruling. And they then use the old tactic of saying they are legal but their competitors are not.

In fact raids continue monthly in PA as a simple search will show. Bottom line is still for each individual owner to determine if the risk is worth the reward.
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November 20th, 2017 at 5:50:35 PM permalink
You're welcome, and thank you!

That's my point about the individual owners who could happen upon this thread. I've been around and have seen bars, restaurants and tobacco shops with the Cherry Masters, so that's what tells me that there could be a legitimate interest in these products.

I'm going to edit this as soon as you tell me you've read it, but when you talk about bars like (redacted) in which a police officer is one of the regulars. Restaurants like (redacted), which is a highly acclaimed place. Whatever one of the tobacco places in (redacted) is called. A restaurant like (redacted) which serves beer and is open 24/7 some nights and is where the on-duty cops eat when you can't even go to their bathroom without walking past the darn things.

Those types of places know that the cops aren't going to bat an eye, because they already don't. So, the thread is legitimate in the sense that an owner of a place like that might be interested in the product. Ultimately, it's for the owners to decide what they think they can or cannot do legally, or if illegal, what they can or cannot get away with, not me.
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November 20th, 2017 at 6:07:29 PM permalink
Although it may be useful to someone, so are U.K. Kitchens.

If this thread were simply a discussion of the legality, it would be fine, but we have unknown members advertising dubious games.
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November 20th, 2017 at 6:11:53 PM permalink
And that is my point. Local and in some cases State Police have far more important issues to deal with, as they should and do overlook small violations. Most of us agree that gambling is a mostly victimless crime, but that doesnít help when you are the guy singled out. All of us break the antiquated PA liquor laws on a daily basis if you look into them. Examples include it is illegal to serve alcohol to a known prostitute, a law on the book since prohibition in PA. Obviously an old example but still on the books. Others include the inability to promote more than one beer special a day. Again many of us violate it. And every LCB (which is the State Police) officer I have ever met doesnít care unless you are under investigation for other violations.

Reality is you are fine unless you come under the microscope because someone complains, then they find anything and everything. We all deal with the same thing with food inspectors. The first thing, rightly so is they check temperatures to ensure you are holding food at the correct levels, are dating products correctly, using proper handling techniques and are serving safe foods. If you are not risking customers health they address and allow you to fix minor issues without penalty. But open the door and they can be your worst enemy.

That is where I see the ďillegalĒ gambling issue. Itís all good making the money while you can, but when you are the guy that gets reported because someone lost their paycheck, be prepared to deal with the consequences. Again, risk to reward. And with the prices being paid by Sheetz, Wawa, Turkey Hill and other for licenses, the value of clean Liquor Licenses in a PA has never been higher.
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November 20th, 2017 at 6:14:42 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Although it may be useful to someone, so are U.K. Kitchens.

If this thread were simply a discussion of the legality, it would be fine, but we have unknown members advertising dubious games.



I'll kind of stipulate that, but then I would also suggest that actually looking at the sites for the games (to see the games) and reading what it says lends to the discussion of whether or not they are legal.
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