Open Containers to be Allowed on Boardwalk
June 9th, 2020 at 3:12:27 PM
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EDIT: I meant to put AC boardwalk in the title but I guess that’s obvious
Plastic vessels only
Apparently needs to be purchased from a boardwalk establishment and be labeled with the contents and where it was purchased from.
Please correct me if any of this is incorrect.
Plastic vessels only
Apparently needs to be purchased from a boardwalk establishment and be labeled with the contents and where it was purchased from.
Please correct me if any of this is incorrect.
June 9th, 2020 at 3:49:03 PM
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I don't recall many boardwalk shops selling beer or liquor.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
June 9th, 2020 at 4:16:40 PM
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There are several bars and restaurants along the boardwalk and beach, but you always had to keep your drink within a roped off area.Quote: billryanI don't recall many boardwalk shops selling beer or liquor.
Pretty much all other shops other than food are gone. There’s a few dumpy tshirt shops that somehow get away with selling bootleg Northface and NFL gear, and a very large and creepy dollar store. And the ripoff Ripley’s museum.
June 9th, 2020 at 4:48:22 PM
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Plastic only is a good move, glass bottles cause problems.
I think its a good move.
I am actually supirsed casinos support this as heavily as they do. I would think that they would prefer people to walk around with a drink while stuck inside a casino. I guess they are hoping it will boost tourism overall.
I think its a good move.
I am actually supirsed casinos support this as heavily as they do. I would think that they would prefer people to walk around with a drink while stuck inside a casino. I guess they are hoping it will boost tourism overall.
June 9th, 2020 at 7:36:31 PM
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I visited AC several years ago (2009?), and my recollection of the Boardwalk was that it was populated mainly with fortune tellers and massage parlors.
June 9th, 2020 at 7:44:34 PM
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Quote: GandlerI would think that they would prefer people to walk around with a drink while stuck inside a casino. I guess they are hoping it will boost tourism overall.
The casino drinks are so watered down, it's a hardly a secret anymore. People are NOT hanging by the bars during the week much and the waitresses are hurting for tips at most AC casinos.
They must figure, they'll get better value for booze on the boardwalk and then filter in later to gamble and/or eat food. I do know Margaritaville and Land Shark Bar do well enough and people usually walk around with those oversized cups and plop down at the table when they're half done with the drink.
June 9th, 2020 at 8:13:50 PM
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I wonder if any casinos will take issue with patrons bringing in outside booze.
I never thought about that. It’s well understood everywhere you can’t bring a 6 pack from home and plop down at the bar and start drinking. But could you do that at a slot machine?
I never thought about that. It’s well understood everywhere you can’t bring a 6 pack from home and plop down at the bar and start drinking. But could you do that at a slot machine?
June 9th, 2020 at 9:42:03 PM
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Quote: gamerfreakI wonder if any casinos will take issue with patrons bringing in outside booze.
I never thought about that. It’s well understood everywhere you can’t bring a 6 pack from home and plop down at the bar and start drinking. But could you do that at a slot machine?
I've seen at the El Cortez and Wild Wild West in Vegas, and its common in Laughlin.
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June 10th, 2020 at 5:58:19 AM
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Open containers Is a great idea.
Now if we only had open casinos. 🤯
But there are still rules such as proving where you bought it, and that it was sold as an open container.
IE, the point it to encourage bar-hopping with drinks in hand.
So, no. You still can’t bring a 6 pack to your slot machine.
Now if we only had open casinos. 🤯
Part of the open container law in Vegas, and presumably in the new AC law, is you are allowed to bring your open container wherever you go.Quote: gamerfreakI wonder if any casinos will take issue with patrons bringing in outside booze.
But there are still rules such as proving where you bought it, and that it was sold as an open container.
IE, the point it to encourage bar-hopping with drinks in hand.
So, no. You still can’t bring a 6 pack to your slot machine.
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June 10th, 2020 at 7:15:49 AM
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Quote: billryanI've seen at the El Cortez and Wild Wild West in Vegas, and its common in Laughlin.
So true.
It's definitely not legal to drink your booze from home (or a gift shop) on Fremont st but people do it all the time. Open containers are legal IF you were sold (or given) the drink by a casino/bar. I imagine the law will be the same in AC
In Laughlin I think it's illegal unless you're on the riverwalk but no one seems to care or enforce it. When I was younger I walked in and out of casinos and even checked into a hotel or sat at a table drinking a beer in an aluminum can there and nobody blinked an eye. Not that I'm encouraging you to do this, you could be cited or arrested.
I don't see why the casinos would take issue with it. They want you a little buzzed to come gamble and if you're going to pay for the booze instead of them providing it for free.
June 10th, 2020 at 8:39:52 AM
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Quote: WTflushSo true.
It's definitely not legal to drink your booze from home (or a gift shop) on Fremont st but people do it all the time. Open containers are legal IF you were sold (or given) the drink by a casino/bar. I imagine the law will be the same in AC
In Laughlin I think it's illegal unless you're on the riverwalk but no one seems to care or enforce it. When I was younger I walked in and out of casinos and even checked into a hotel or sat at a table drinking a beer in an aluminum can there and nobody blinked an eye. Not that I'm encouraging you to do this, you could be cited or arrested.
I don't see why the casinos would take issue with it. They want you a little buzzed to come gamble and if you're going to pay for the booze instead of them providing it for free.
Huh, I never knew Vegas restricted open containers to those purchased on the strip or Fremont.
June 10th, 2020 at 9:00:10 AM
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Quote: ddlomlI visited AC several years ago (2009?), and my recollection of the Boardwalk was that it was populated mainly with fortune tellers and massage parlors.
Don’t forget shady ice cream sellers who actually sell weed
June 10th, 2020 at 9:23:53 AM
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Quote: heatmapDon’t forget shady ice cream sellers who actually sell weed
You say that as if it is a bad thing.
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June 10th, 2020 at 10:56:05 AM
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Quote: billryanYou say that as if it is a bad thing.
I’d rather it be regulated because if you saw this crumb this guy tried to sell me for the price he tried to sell it to me for you’d laugh
June 15th, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM
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Hopefully I don't run in to that guy on 4th of July Weekend. Just got a comp room offer for the 4th and booked it with no error messages!
Usually when they offer a comp room on the app or TR website for a holiday or long weekend Saturday, it magically becomes an error message when you try to book it. Meaning they have computer issues sending invalid offers or pull a bait & switch to reel you in.
Should they re-open(which may or may not happen on the 3rd) it would be an interesting scene. People are loading up the boardwalk for the fireworks, but could it lead to another riot? Also, will the boardwalk performers be permitted to do shows or would those cause "large gatherings"?
Usually when they offer a comp room on the app or TR website for a holiday or long weekend Saturday, it magically becomes an error message when you try to book it. Meaning they have computer issues sending invalid offers or pull a bait & switch to reel you in.
Should they re-open(which may or may not happen on the 3rd) it would be an interesting scene. People are loading up the boardwalk for the fireworks, but could it lead to another riot? Also, will the boardwalk performers be permitted to do shows or would those cause "large gatherings"?
July 1st, 2020 at 4:47:38 AM
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So did I see this right.....No drinking or eating within the AC casinos? I can see the smoking aspect due to the prolonged breath out when exhaling smoke, but the drinking and most particularly the eating thing, I'm not fully grasping.....I guess to prevent you from ever taking your mask off at all, but with the 25% occupancy you would think that social distancing would already take shape and allow for eating and drinking...
July 1st, 2020 at 7:24:29 AM
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I won’t go back to AC until there’s free drink service (which is not to say I’ll go back as soon as that happens).
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July 1st, 2020 at 8:21:54 AM
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Quote: TinManI won’t go back to AC until there’s free drink service (which is not to say I’ll go back as soon as that happens).
I'm glad you have your priorities in order. No problem going to a crowded indoor venue, as long as the drinks are free.
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July 1st, 2020 at 8:35:09 AM
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That’s not true at all. You missed the part in parentheses. There’s a difference between necessary and sufficient conditions.
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July 1st, 2020 at 8:55:15 AM
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No free drinks in AC under the new rules? Why open up? Lol And apparently the most successful casino in AC, Borgata, agrees with me.
July 1st, 2020 at 10:59:38 AM
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Quote: tringlomaneNo free drinks in AC under the new rules? Why open up? Lol And apparently the most successful casino in AC, Borgata, agrees with me.
Weaning the public off of free drinks will save the casinos a small fortune. Now that gambling is considered gaming and is "entertainment", why give away the profits?
If every casino in AC stopped giving out free drinks, how many sheep would they lose? Especially when the poor sheep are weeks past their last fix?
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July 1st, 2020 at 11:23:23 AM
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Was there no business analysis that concluded drunk gamblers bet more than sober ones? Maybe the same number of sheep, but smarter ones who wager less. The idea of free drinks - where did that come from? Free drinks at a restaurant does not improve profits from food, but somebody must have thought - "Gee. Drunk gamblers... we know the impact alcohol has on the ability to reason and think clearly. H'mm..."
July 1st, 2020 at 12:05:11 PM
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Free peanuts and other salty snacks sure helps the beer sales.Quote: racquet... Free drinks at a restaurant does not improve profits from food....
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July 1st, 2020 at 12:49:35 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearFree peanuts and other salty snacks sure helps the beer sales.
My point exactly. Nobody goes to the restaurant for the free peanuts, and nobody goes to the casino for the free drinks. The "sale" of wagering for sure is helped by free alcohol. Borgata knows enough about their profit margins to realize that they won't make money if everyone gambling is sober.
July 1st, 2020 at 1:16:59 PM
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Quote: racquetMy point exactly. Nobody goes to the restaurant for the free peanuts, and nobody goes to the casino for the free drinks. The "sale" of wagering for sure is helped by free alcohol. Borgata knows enough about their profit margins to realize that they won't make money if everyone gambling is sober.
So all the other restrictions, such as limiting rooms, and reduced gaming had nothing to do with it. Free drinks is a dinosaur from the days of the three-martini lunch. Everyone does it in a jurisdiction because everyone else does it.
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July 1st, 2020 at 1:21:10 PM
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Any Proof of that?Quote: BedWetterBetterThe casino drinks are so watered down, it's a hardly a secret anymore.
I have no idea what drinks you are ordering, but for the most part, if you order a shot of anything from a bottle it's not watered down, it's the exact same as if you were to buy it from a store yourself.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 1st, 2020 at 2:17:25 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAny Proof of that?
I have no idea what drinks you are ordering, but for the most part, if you order a shot of anything from a bottle it's not watered down, it's the exact same as if you were to buy it from a store yourself.
It was discussed here a few years ago that one of the casino companies had reduced their standard alcohol per drink. Maybe from 1 1/4 oz per to 1oz. If they use a measuring device, I'd think that shots would be smaller, as well. It's not the liquor that is watered down, it's that the ratio of non liquor is higher.
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July 1st, 2020 at 5:11:51 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAny Proof of that?
I have no idea what drinks you are ordering, but for the most part, if you order a shot of anything from a bottle it's not watered down, it's the exact same as if you were to buy it from a store yourself.
A waitress friend of mine let me know that the drinks provided at table games are NOT from the bar and from pre-filled bottles in the back. Only the High Limit room players get top shelf liquor and bar quality drinks.
Also, hardly anybody playing table games orders shots and the ones who do get a plastic cup with less than a ounce of alcohol. People doing shots go to the bar generally and there's a noticeable difference in quality and quantity between drinks you receive at the table vs drinks you buy at the bar.
July 1st, 2020 at 6:41:10 PM
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Quote: billryanSo all the other restrictions, such as limiting rooms, and reduced gaming had nothing to do with it. Free drinks is a dinosaur from the days of the three-martini lunch. Everyone does it in a jurisdiction because everyone else does it.
Dinosaur or not, don't you think that alcohol effects the take at a casino - favorably?
July 1st, 2020 at 10:56:36 PM
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Quote: racquetDinosaur or not, don't you think that alcohol effects the take at a casino - favorably?
I'd have to study it. Drinking is far less popular than it used to be and the people who drink tend to drink less.
Will you agree that few people will be affected much by one or two drinks? If so, then anyone who has two drinks or less cost the casino and gained it nothing. I'd guess most people won't alter their game until the fifth drink, so the benefit to the casino for the vast majority of customers is pretty weak.
Do 10% of players get so drunk that their game sufferers? Does the profit the casino make from that drunken minority justify the free drinks given to everyone else? I tend to think not so much.
Would the guy who gets drunk on five free drinks and loses an extra $300 not get drunk if the drinks were $5 each? I have no idea.
Would that guy stay home if he was charged for drinks? Would he get less drunk if he had to pay for his drinks?
I used to play at the bars in the Hard Rock twenty hours a week. Before I stopped, they went to a system where your first drink was free and then you had to play X coin thru the machine before it spits out a drink ticket. I was stunned at how many regulars bitched because they weren't playing enough to qualify for their usual drinks.
My inclination would be that casinos are giving away much more than they get back, but I don't know how to quantify the goodwill they generate.
Would the bottom line go up or down if people had to pay for their drinks? I don't know.
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July 1st, 2020 at 11:44:23 PM
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Quote: racquetDinosaur or not, don't you think that alcohol effects the take at a casino - favorably?
Not nearly as much as it used to. That's for sure. It definitely helps some to gamble more, but my first Vegas trip goal is to lose less than retail price on the alcohol I drink. I am the type of player the "drink ticket" system was designed for.
July 2nd, 2020 at 6:34:12 AM
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If I were casino management, I would want some survey or marketing study with numbers, and so I assume that the empty suits might base their determination on more than our random impressions. But then again, so many of the promotions and offers I see make no sense that I wonder sometime if they are totally clueless, going with what the other guys are doing down the street. Could be that free drinks are just a vestige of the past and have nothing to do with profitability.
The new prohibitions on smoking might be a good indicator of this mentality, assuming that there are some shops that restrict smoking and others that don't in the same neighborhood, assuming there is no blanket rule from regulators. I recall in RI that when casino gambling came in, they were up in arms when it was pointed out that there was a total smoking ban, statewide, in every retail establishment, everywhere. The fix was in very quickly and the legislature exempted casinos from the rule. There are precisely two buildings in the entire state where smoking is allowed throughout - the two casinos. I think they brought out studies that showed that non-smoking effected the take. Sine the state wanted the revenue...
The new prohibitions on smoking might be a good indicator of this mentality, assuming that there are some shops that restrict smoking and others that don't in the same neighborhood, assuming there is no blanket rule from regulators. I recall in RI that when casino gambling came in, they were up in arms when it was pointed out that there was a total smoking ban, statewide, in every retail establishment, everywhere. The fix was in very quickly and the legislature exempted casinos from the rule. There are precisely two buildings in the entire state where smoking is allowed throughout - the two casinos. I think they brought out studies that showed that non-smoking effected the take. Sine the state wanted the revenue...
