VladsGiants
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June 1st, 2015 at 12:22:55 PM permalink
I recently went to Vegas and found this 'Las Vegas Blackjack Survey' link very useful:
https://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/hedge/asc/

I was able to find one of the good tables at the Aria and did well. My question is does a survey like this exist for AC? Does anybody know if they have tables that pay 3:2, stand on soft 17, double after split, surrender, and re-splitting of aces? If so, what are the table minimums? I live on the east coast but haven't been to AC in quite some time. If they had decent tables it would give me incentive to go back. I most certainly will not be going to AC again anytime soon if their blackjacks pay 6:5, hit soft 17, etc.
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June 1st, 2015 at 12:40:33 PM permalink
I don't know of any blackjack survey. A typical game on the main floor would be 8 decks, blackjack pays 3:2, H17, no re-splitting aces, no surrender, double after split and double any first two cards. There are a few S17 games that are usually $25 minimums. I have seen them as low as $10 during off hours but don't count on it. Harrah's has some 6:5 8 decks so watch out for those. High limit rooms are 6 deck S17 usually requiring $100 minimums.

There is no surrender or re-splitting aces anywhere in town.
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June 1st, 2015 at 2:26:46 PM permalink
Quote: VladsGiants

I recently went to Vegas and found this 'Las Vegas Blackjack Survey' link very useful:
https://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/hedge/asc/

I was able to find one of the good tables at the Aria and did well. My question is does a survey like this exist for AC? Does anybody know if they have tables that pay 3:2, stand on soft 17, double after split, surrender, and re-splitting of aces? If so, what are the table minimums? I live on the east coast but haven't been to AC in quite some time. If they had decent tables it would give me incentive to go back. I most certainly will not be going to AC again anytime soon if their blackjacks pay 6:5, hit soft 17, etc.




3:2 is pretty standard in AC (I have never seen a 6:5 in AC, I have heard some are around though).
H17 is pretty standard, though you may be able to find a S17 at some tables.
6-8 Decks is the norm (generally 25 and up tables have 6 decks, and the below 25 tables have 8 decks).
Surrender is pretty much nonexistent.
Double after splitting is allowed.
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June 1st, 2015 at 3:30:21 PM permalink
Is there any double deck in AC or the east coast?? I know of none
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June 1st, 2015 at 4:28:16 PM permalink
Quote: VladsGiants

I recently went to Vegas and found this 'Las Vegas Blackjack Survey' link very useful:
https://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/hedge/asc/

I was able to find one of the good tables at the Aria and did well. My question is does a survey like this exist for AC? Does anybody know if they have tables that pay 3:2, stand on soft 17, double after split, surrender, and re-splitting of aces? If so, what are the table minimums? I live on the east coast but haven't been to AC in quite some time. If they had decent tables it would give me incentive to go back. I most certainly will not be going to AC again anytime soon if their blackjacks pay 6:5, hit soft 17, etc.



Yes, you're in luck because there is a chart (embedded below) which serves almost like a blackjack survey.

From the chart, you look for the ACTIVE casino with the smallest win%, i.e, Borg's 11.1 win%.

So, right now, Borgata is the best casino to play bj per the chart below.

You will love to play @Borgata. It's so unique. No other casinos can beat Borg's bj games.

For lowrollers, Borg offers the famous 3:2 $5 bj game 24/7 @ table#128.

For $25 bj players, Borg offers 6 deck bj games in pit#4, table#20 thru #32 (13 tables).

For highrollers/whales, Borg also offers the bj game with $20,000 minimum bet (the mustard-chip players) @ table#14 in the private room of Pit#1.



I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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June 1st, 2015 at 4:46:16 PM permalink
Thankyou Arttemis, usefull info. Not headed that way anytime soon, but I betcha a bunch of other members are!
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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June 2nd, 2015 at 6:18:10 AM permalink
Thanks Artemis. At the $25, 6 deck tables - do they hit soft 17? And is surrender allowed? I guess RSA would be asking too much...
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June 2nd, 2015 at 12:58:15 PM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Thankyou Arttemis, usefull info. Not headed that way anytime soon, but I betcha a bunch of other members are!



Quote: VladsGiants

Thanks Artemis. At the $25, 6 deck tables - do they hit soft 17? And is surrender allowed? I guess RSA would be asking too much...



You guys are welcome.

I embed for you guys more Borg's bj rules and info below.
VladsGiants, you can find my answers to your questions in the spreadsheet below.

Enjoy yourself, whenever you can make it to the Big B.
I wish that you guys will have many auspicious days filled with blackjacks and twenties.

I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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June 2nd, 2015 at 1:13:12 PM permalink
Just a couple of notes about the table Artemis provided. While it all looks correct to me. A note about the $5 BJ table at the Borg. It's open 24hrs true, it has a $5 minimum, also true. It is often three deep with players, very true. It's filled with ploppies and old ladies who take forever to decide if they should hit 15 or not. Absolutely true. Many of the BJ virgins/new players get excited when they hear there is a $5 table at the Borg, don't get excited. It's the worst BJ game in AC for most of the reasons I mentioned above. Hate it.

If you can play at a green chip level...play Bally's 6 deck game on the main floor 2 or 3 tables open all the time. Or the Taj's $25 pit. All no-mid shoe games S17. All open 24/7. For the marina side...the "high limit" room at Harrah's is usually only a $50 limit at least on a table or two. The rest of the BJ at Harrahs is pretty bad; 6:5 tables are creeping in more all the time. But if you can do $50 the high limit area is nice.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 1:30:22 PM permalink
On my recent trip to Vegas I was playing the $50 tables at Aria that had 6 decks, stand on soft 17, DAS, surrender and RSA. Sounds like the only way I'll get that in AC is playing $20,000/hand. No thanks! I refuse to play the tables that hit soft 17 (not to mention 6:5). But $25 for 6 deck shoes standing on soft 17 is reasonable. Now if they had surrender I'd probably start planning my next trip now...
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June 2nd, 2015 at 1:44:19 PM permalink
Yeah you're basically not going to get surrender in AC. PA, MD or DE yes. But not in NJ. $25 S17 6 deck is pretty widespread in AC, some are 8 deck though.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 1:50:00 PM permalink
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Yeah you're basically not going to get surrender in AC. PA, MD or DE yes. But not in NJ. $25 S17 6 deck is pretty widespread in AC, some are 8 deck though.



How about in CT?
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June 2nd, 2015 at 1:52:54 PM permalink
Others on here could tell you a lot more about CT playing conditions than me.
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June 2nd, 2015 at 4:19:12 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Just a couple of notes about the table Artemis provided. While it all looks correct to me. A note about the $5 BJ table at the Borg. It's open 24hrs true, it has a $5 minimum, also true. It is often three deep with players, very true. It's filled with ploppies and old ladies who take forever to decide if they should hit 15 or not. Absolutely true. Many of the BJ virgins/new players get excited when they hear there is a $5 table at the Borg, don't get excited. It's the worst BJ game in AC for most of the reasons I mentioned above. Hate it.

If you can play at a green chip level...play Bally's 6 deck game on the main floor 2 or 3 tables open all the time. Or the Taj's $25 pit. All no-mid shoe games S17. All open 24/7. For the marina side...the "high limit" room at Harrah's is usually only a $50 limit at least on a table or two. The rest of the BJ at Harrahs is pretty bad; 6:5 tables are creeping in more all the time. But if you can do $50 the high limit area is nice.




A dead $5 bj table @Borg!

Some things have changed recently. Weekday-players don't feel crowded @ the table#218. In fact a player emailed me a photo of the empty $5 bj table@Borg.


The photo's taken circa 6pm on a weekday. The "hot-dealer" probably annihilated all the redchippers @ the table.
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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June 2nd, 2015 at 5:26:54 PM permalink
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How about in CT?



All players should be aware of the legal loophole... the sovereign immunity!

Yesterday's court ruling basically warns players to stay away from CT's Indian Casinos. The Judge thumbed down & went against 2 gamblers & Ms. Sun (Phil Ivey's ex-Pardner in Minnie-Bac Game). The 3 gamblers forfeited almost $3 million in winnings and deposits. Luckily they only lost money, NOT their arms and legs literally.

Quote:

In a judgment entered Monday in federal court in New Haven, U.S. District Judge Janet Hall ruled the gamblers couldn't sue Foxwoods because the Connecticut casino's owner, the Mashantucket Pequots, has sovereign immunity as an American Indian tribe.



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-gamblers-3m-lawsuit-163840472.html
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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June 2nd, 2015 at 11:03:50 PM permalink
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Is there any double deck in AC or the east coast?? I know of none



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June 3rd, 2015 at 9:19:42 AM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Is there any double deck in AC or the east coast?? I know of none




Quote: Wiggins

Sands Bethlehem



The best kept secret in AC is this...

The only $25 double deck game has been offered for years in this AC casino. I don't want to make it too E-Z for you guys, but I give you a clue...


Look for the Glenn Straub's “Triumphant Lady”. Glenn had parked his huge yacht near Revel, but now he parks it in front of this casino (with the only $25 double deck game in AC.)


I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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June 10th, 2015 at 5:19:55 AM permalink
Quote: Artemis

A dead $5 bj table @Borg!

Some things have changed recently. Weekday-players don't feel crowded @ the table#218. In fact a player emailed me a photo of the empty $5 bj table@Borg.


The photo's taken circa 6pm on a weekday. The "hot-dealer" probably annihilated all the redchippers @ the table.



That's a photo I never thought I'd see. Still good luck the other 23 hours a day, or any time on the weekend.
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June 10th, 2015 at 10:14:27 AM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Quote: Artemis

A dead $5 bj table @Borg!

Some things have changed recently. Weekday-players don't feel crowded @ the table#218. In fact a player emailed me a photo of the empty $5 bj table@Borg.


The photo's taken circa 6pm on a weekday. The "hot-dealer" probably annihilated all the redchippers @ the table.



That's a photo I never thought I'd see. Still good luck the other 23 hours a day, or any time on the weekend.



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June 10th, 2015 at 2:18:14 PM permalink
Restricted play at a nickel table. What's the posted table max $500 probably. What are these a**holes worried about. That someone might actually win? The Borgata makes many millions a year in profit. God forbid someone would hit them for a couple grand at the nickel table.
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June 10th, 2015 at 4:55:07 PM permalink
Quote: Artemis

All players should be aware of the legal loophole... the sovereign immunity!
Yesterday's court ruling basically warns players to stay away from CT's Indian Casinos. The Judge thumbed down & went against 2 gamblers & Ms. Sun (Phil Ivey's ex-Pardner in Minnie-Bac Game). The 3 gamblers forfeited almost $3 million in winnings and deposits. Luckily they only lost money, NOT their arms and legs literally. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-gamblers-3m-lawsuit-163840472.html

Well, another court in another state ruled yesterday that unions can organize Indian casinos because the workers are not Indians.
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June 10th, 2015 at 4:58:04 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Restricted play at a nickel table. What's the posted table max $500 probably. What are these a**holes worried about. That someone might actually win? The Borgata makes many millions a year in profit. God forbid someone would hit them for a couple grand at the nickel table.


Generally speaking nickel tables have less favorable rules than $25 tables which have less favorable rules than $100 tables. If I were the type of gambler who was able to bet a couple hundred or couple grand as my standard bet, I wouldn't do it at the nickel table.
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June 11th, 2015 at 3:53:12 AM permalink
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Generally speaking nickel tables have less favorable rules than $25 tables which have less favorable rules than $100 tables. If I were the type of gambler who was able to bet a couple hundred or couple grand as my standard bet, I wouldn't do it at the nickel table.



Right. Which was kind of my point. Why is the Borgata, or any place else for that matter, restricting play on a nickel table.. what is the point? How up tight/paranoid is management that they even bother to do this.
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June 12th, 2015 at 6:25:12 PM permalink
AC has by far some of the worst playing conditions and heat in the US. I just came from there a week ago (black chip player). You'll be hard pressed to find a 6d game for under $50. The only ones I saw was ONE table 6d $25-1000 at Bally's with poor pen (66%) and the borgata has lots of 6d with 1.5pen but restricts the betting to 10x the table min for unrated players- so $25 table max bet $250. If you're willing to play $50-100 mins you can play everywhere in HL rooms. Most are garbage one box max up to $1000 for unrated. Golden nugget is ridiculous max one box $100 unrated- min is also $100 LOL. Trump and resorts allow you to play 2 squares unrated with no max but they flyer your ass like crazy throughout AC with Photos. They pref shuffle and will whip out $5-50 signs on you everywhere in the city even spreading 1-4 let alone 1-10 up to $1000. Have fun wonging on 8d all over the place. I made a tiny bit of money (all relative) but felt it was a total waste of time other than the beach. I played about 20 hours. I have detailed conditions if anyone is interested but be forewarned.
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May 9th, 2016 at 10:02:27 AM permalink
Quote: Artemis

The best kept secret in AC is this...

The only $25 double deck game has been offered for years in this AC casino. I don't want to make it too E-Z for you guys, but I give you a clue...


Look for the Glenn Straub's “Triumphant Lady”. Glenn had parked his huge yacht near Revel, but now he parks it in front of this casino (with the only $25 double deck game in AC.)




I know the game your talking about, it does exist at certain times at night on the weekends mostly from what I remember - but the rules are horrible, from what I recall, you cant double down after a split and its H17. I don't even know if this game is offered anymore. The game is not terrible, you can get to a favorable count a lot more frequently than a 6D or 8D, so you can press your bet a lot more frequently. You have to play rated in order to play 2 hands also. You won't have the edge until your over a +1 - +1 your just about even - I believe the house edge is around .55% .

Definitely, the closest thing your going to find to a vegas $25 DD on the east coast.
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